Reading comments on the proposed FDA Regs... You people worry me

[Susan~S]

Then you'll also understand how I feel when I read 'vapor' when it should be 'vapour'.

And you probably cringe when you see "flavor" as well!

 

[Susan~S]

Maybe it's ANTZ who submitted such comments? To make us look bad and unenlightened.

Regarding the english language and grammar. My english is far from perfect, but i still think i'm decent on it.
English isn't my native language either so, but i tend to write more english than swedish nowadays.

Your English writing skills are amazing! No one would know that English is not your native language had you not told us (and your location in your profile).

 

[TheJakeBailey]

At least they submitted a comment. It might not have been as eloquent as some may have wished, but it's better than the nothing that most of the community bothered with.

 

[-Redd-]

And you probably cringe when you see "flavor" as well!

Aaaaarrrrgghhhhh

 

[Equilibrium]

Porperly? Hahaha, just had to! I know it was a typo. Sorry!

Somewhere in a thread, I mentioned dual use. When I re-read it later, I had spelled it duel use. Too late to correct it by then. It happens!

LOL... for some reason spell check doesn't work on my work computer. I didn't even catch it.

 

[AttyPops]

I look at it this way........

I (personally) failed the IQ test decades ago when I started smoking. Dumb move for me, particularly considering my family history of heart disease. So I'm not going to be too critical about vapor literacy.

I'm sure that people reading all the comments realize that "it takes all kinds" to make a complex society. I'm pedantic enough to take your point, OP and sympathize with your observation. However, I try to temper it.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I completely agree with you about the benefit of letting kids be kids and run around and holler; that's what kids are supposed to do! It doesn't mean they have some "condition," it means they're in good health, well-fed, and in good spirits! Our son very definitely had the signs of ADD, inability to focus and difficulty switching tasks, but none of that ADHD thank you very much, and none of that medication, either! I often had to "ground" him to get him to do his homework, but his groundings consisted of no video games and no TV, but I never stopped him from going outside for at least a couple hours after school, to work off some of that natural energy, get some fresh air, and just *be a kid* -- and I certainly never grounded him from books either; if he was going to do anything other than homework, at least it was reading something. My son had his own issues with handwriting, and even printing, but some people never have good handwriting, it doesn't necessarily mean they have something wrong with them, and when a 10 yr old is reading at an 11th grade level, I know durn well there's nothing wrong with him!!

And you're right, all they really teach in school anymore is how to pass a test. My son got a lot more education at home, reading, watching interesting shows on Nova and Discovery and History Channel, going to the library, and real-life stuff like staying up to watch meteor showers, going on class and chorus trips, and going on all sorts of trips with his grandparents. All of life is not found in a book or a classroom!

Andria

There's definitely nothing wrong with my son, save for his handwriting. He has the highest reading comprehension in class, and his teacher banned him from participating in her little, informal, spelling bees by the end of the school year. Apparently, he wasn't leaving a chance for other kids to win. That's another issue I have. What kind of reward is it when you win because the teacher banned the top contender from participating?

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

And, if you write your thoughts using the numeral "2" in every instance of the word, you never have to be concerned if you've used the correct spelling in context.

2 bad for those of us that have 2 translate as we read.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Four words, No child left behind.

They can't even get the tests right. The grades haven't been released for the common core exams yet (later this month), but from what I hear from teachers, there's no possible way the third graders could have passed it. Apparently, the those who created the test decided to test 3rd graders on material that gets taught in 5th grade. Not merely an issue of reading comprehension. Grammar that needs to be taught in order for a child to know it. It wasn't part of their curriculum, and wouldn't be for another 2 years, yet it was on the test. How could they hope to even fake it if they're testing kids on stuff that would be impossible for them to know?

 

[cthulhufan]

At least they submitted a comment. It might not have been as eloquent as some may have wished, but it's better than the nothing that most of the community bothered with.

Some people just want to quit smoking and don't give two shakes what a bunch of nerds on an Internet forum think about it. I'm sure a lot of folks were commenting as part of the last "vendor push" for comments as the 8th was getting closer and might not have been as "on top" of things as some of us here.

 

[KenD]

I vape with my vaporizer, that makes me a vaper. What I exhale is vapour (or vapor). It annoys the hell out of me when those terms are mixed up, and it can at times make it difficult to comprehend some posts. Not judging though, more of a pet peeve.

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[AndriaD]

Dumb peoples' votes count the same as smart peoples'.

Unfortunately true, and the dumb ones outnumber the smart ones by about 10 to 1.

Andria

 

[Anjaffm]

So I was browsing, the comments posted to regulations.gov

I am stunned by the number of comments by vapers that don't seem to understand the products they use, the terminology related to those products, or the proposed regulations themselves.

but for the sake of keeping this post short, I'll just point out some terminology that I saw that makes vapers look ignorant and uneducated.

I am a "vaper who vapes and inhales vapor while doing so."

I do not use my "vapes to make vaper"

and I am certainly not "a vapor who loves smoking my ecig"

It's mind boggling to me how a vaper could not understand these basic concepts.

Look, I get that some terms are generational, or maybe even regional, I can see calling a vaporizer a "vape". I mean, it makes you sound ignorant to me, but I understand it. I do not understand not being able to differentiate between "vapor" and "vaper".

Sorry, just had to vent as I was reading comments and wondering why some people even bothered. Many seem almost absurdly bad. I began to wonder if ANTZ were posting comments just to make Vapers look like uneducated simpletons who couldn't possibly have the mental capacity to determine what may or may not be in their own best interest.

My reply to this OP:

what the hell is your problem? So those who do not have a university education, perfect spelling, perfect knowledge of technical terms, and / or perfect rhetorical skills
- should just keep their mouths shut?
- should not comment to the FDA?
- should just accept whatever the government / the FDA throws at them, because they themselves are too stupid and too uneducated, thus they must accept whatever the anointed "deem" is best for the unwashed masses?

Get off your high horse.

The only effect that such criticism can have is to make people shy away from commenting at all, from opening their mouths (using their pens / keyboards), from putting their opinions into words.

Because somebody just might criticise them for not being perfect.

Do you know how difficult it is to get people to say anything at all? To overcome the fears of "oh, I am not perfect,oh, I am not good at this" - which fears will make them do precisely ... nothing?

You should be ashamed of yourself. Criticizing people for not being perfect, instead of praising them for taking the time - and having the courage - to voice their opinions.

Oh, by the way:
those who switch from smoking to vaping usually benefit from greatly improved health. Is there anything that states that only people with perfect rhetorical skills are permitted to benefit from greatly improved health? Anything that states that the "ignorant and uneducated" (quote from OP) should continue to smoke? As they do not deserve the health benefits that you claim for yourself? Anything that states that the unwashed masses should just shut up and let the anointed speak for them? Because they "know better" anyway?

... no, I thought not.

 

[AndriaD]

Maybe it's ANTZ who submitted such comments? To make us look bad and unenlightened.

Regarding the english language and grammar. My english is far from perfect, but i still think i'm decent on it.
English isn't my native language either so, but i tend to write more english than swedish nowadays.

My experience has been that non-native English speakers, particularly from anywhere in Europe, tend to have far better command of English than about 95% of Americans.

And to Redd -- you'll have to blame "vapor" instead of "vapour" on Noah Webster, who lived about 200 yrs ago. Nothing to be done about it now. To an American, "vapor" looks the way it's pronounced, while "vapour" looks as if the emphasis should be on the 2nd syllable rather than the first -- and I think making clear which is the stressed syllable was the entire point of Mr. Webster's innovations. Ditto that with "color/colour" -- "colour" looks as if it should be pronounced "kuh-LORE".

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

There's definitely nothing wrong with my son, save for his handwriting. He has the highest reading comprehension in class, and his teacher banned him from participating in her little, informal, spelling bees by the end of the school year. Apparently, he wasn't leaving a chance for other kids to win. That's another issue I have. What kind of reward is it when you win because the teacher banned the top contender from participating?

That would have REALLY ...... me off! I won all the spelling bees till I got to 8th grade and decided it wasn't "cool" anymore.

Andria

 

[ClippinWings]

I completely agree with you about the benefit of letting kids be kids and run around and holler; that's what kids are supposed to do! It doesn't mean they have some "condition," it means they're in good health, well-fed, and in good spirits! Our son very definitely had the signs of ADD, inability to focus and difficulty switching tasks, but none of that ADHD thank you very much, and none of that medication, either! I often had to "ground" him to get him to do his homework, but his groundings consisted of no video games and no TV, but I never stopped him from going outside for at least a couple hours after school, to work off some of that natural energy, get some fresh air, and just *be a kid* -- and I certainly never grounded him from books either; if he was going to do anything other than homework, at least it was reading something. My son had his own issues with handwriting, and even printing, but some people never have good handwriting, it doesn't necessarily mean they have something wrong with them, and when a 10 yr old is reading at an 11th grade level, I know durn well there's nothing wrong with him!!

And you're right, all they really teach in school anymore is how to pass a test. My son got a lot more education at home, reading, watching interesting shows on Nova and Discovery and History Channel, going to the library, and real-life stuff like staying up to watch meteor showers, going on class and chorus trips, and going on all sorts of trips with his grandparents. All of life is not found in a book or a classroom!

Andria

Very much like my son.

Always has trouble focusing on tasks.

His writing is almost unintelligible....

But,

He read the entire harry potter series by age 7.

Was reading post graduate books for fun by 9.

Spent this summer in Europe as a student ambassador

And next week starts high school at one of the country's top charter schools for the arts.

Every kid is unique... Its working WITH their individuality where public schools falter.

 

[ClippinWings]

Dumb peoples' votes count the same as smart peoples'.

Not in this case.

There is no count of "votes" made by the FDA.

In fact all form letters are combined and addressed as one comment.

But like I said, its pretty clear that a large number of the comments came from people who didn't know that.

 

[ClippinWings]

Then you'll also understand how I feel when I read 'vapor' when it should be 'vapour'.

As someone with dual citizenship... I absolutely do.

 

[ClippinWings]

My reply to this OP:

what the hell is your problem? So those who do not have a university education, perfect spelling, perfect knowledge of technical terms, and / or perfect rhetorical skills
- should just keep their mouths shut?
- should not comment to the FDA?
- should just accept whatever the government / the FDA throws at them, because they themselves are too stupid and too uneducated, thus they must accept whatever the anointed "deem" is best for the unwashed masses?

Get off your high horse.

The only effect that such criticism can have is to make people shy away from commenting at all, from opening their mouths (using their pens / keyboards), from putting their opinions into words.

Because somebody just might criticise them for not being perfect.

Do you know how difficult it is to get people to say anything at all? To overcome the fears of "oh, I am not perfect,oh, I am not good at this" - which fears will make them do precisely ... nothing?

You should be ashamed of yourself. Criticizing people for not being perfect, instead of praising them for taking the time - and having the courage - to voice their opinions.

Oh, by the way:
those who switch from smoking to vaping usually benefit from greatly improved health. Is there anything that states that only people with perfect rhetorical skills are permitted to benefit from greatly improved health? Anything that states that the "ignorant and uneducated" (quote from OP) should continue to smoke? As they do not deserve the health benefits that you claim for yourself? Anything that states that the unwashed masses should just shut up and let the anointed speak for them? Because they "know better" anyway?

... no, I thought not.

If you knew me at all, you'd know how unintentionally hilarious your post is.

 

[Anjaffm]

@ClippinWings:

I do not know you.
All I saw was your posting - which comes across as extremely arrogant.
Having seen that posting, I am pretty certain that I have no desire to know you.
Have a nice day.