Reading comments on the proposed FDA Regs... You people worry me

[Keeferes]

I have read through all the posts here so far and find it rather amusing, however, all I have to say is this. Look at any press conference held by the president, congress member, other elected officials, or even the nightly new broadcasters. When the elected top officials for a country, and the people in charge of reporting the goings on of the world address the society using ahhm, or you know, between every other word, how can one expect a level of communication higher than is seen daily? Look back through time and you will find systematic "dumbing down" of our population. JFK, Reagan, Cronkite, Walters, etc. None of them would have ever formally addressed the public, speaking in the form we see commonly today.

 

[ClippinWings]

some of the grammar the OP pointed out was quite glaring to say the least. its not really modern education that is at fault either. when i was going to school during the 60's and early 70's,boys didn't take typing class. why would we? in those days when you graduated your choices where,vocational school,the military or,you just went to work for life at 3m,ford motor,whirl pool,sperry rand,american hoist or any of the active 20 or so foundries,control data ,construction and. on and on. college was for rich people or the best and brightest under privileged who could get a scholarship.there where no pell grants and,very few could get a student loan. after my tour in the service i went to the vo-tech and obtained a degree as an electronic technician. the thing with these technical skills is you have to learn to read for content not,grammatical correctness.blending the use of technical manuals and reference materials along with reading schematics and circuit descriptions trains ones mind to get to the heart of the matter and an understanding of whats in front of you. this also makes me less critical of grammatical and syntax errors as one tends to weed out what is being stated automaticly. its almost as if there is a filter that rearranges text,adds punctuation where needed and,corrects spelling right in your head. if i understand whats being said,thats good enough for me. i would also note that being at a forth year college reading level i couldn't point out an error in grammar unless it bit me. in a time when 50% of the students shouldn't even be in college dumbing down academia in general, one should not be over critical of the grammatical prowess of the population in general. its not much different than 50 years ago.

regards
mike

again, it was about way more than grammar.

Hell my grammar is an absolute mess, almost every one of my posts in this thread has been edited... I post then go "oh crap, that's not right at all".

 

[sonicdsl]

 

[Zealous]

I'm curious, where can one read the comments? I thought I'd found the place but 95% of the comments I saw were from people commenting on cigars & it seemed like they had all sent in comments in a copy/paste type format (every comment started with the same first sentence). So I either went to the wrong place or didn't dig deep enough. Can someone provide a link? ty

 

[Asbestos4004]

Funny, this particular thread contains some of the best grammar you'll find across the entire forum. Isn't it cute? Everyone is just trying so hard! Nice work folks. You all get a Gold Star!

 

[navigator2011]

I have read through all the posts here so far and find it rather amusing, however, all I have to say is this. Look at any press conference held by the president, congress member, other elected officials, or even the nightly new broadcasters. When the elected top officials for a country, and the people in charge of reporting the goings on of the world address the society using ahhm, or you know, between every other word, how can one expect a level of communication higher than is seen daily? Look back through time and you will find systematic "dumbing down" of our population. JFK, Reagan, Cronkite, Walters, etc. None of them would have ever formally addressed the public, speaking in the form we see commonly today.

Well, society is much less formal that it used to be. There was a long ago time when no man would leave home without wearing a suit and tie. Today, it appears that anything goes and everything is OK. Maybe this attitude has affected how we speak, even in front of a camera.

 

[bluecat]

It is what you get when you have the internet. Ask our esteemed leader, math and science are more important. I had to teach my 12 year old daughter how to address an envelope this weekend. I said, "what?". She sends letters to the military (overseas) all the time. Apparently, they do not have them address the envelopes.

Don't even get me started on Common Core. It is worse than No Child Left Behind.

 

[AndriaD]

Well, society is much less formal that it used to be. There was a long ago time when no man would leave home without wearing a suit and tie. Today, it appears that anything goes and everything is OK. Maybe this attitude has affected how we speak, even in front of a camera.

You're so right. We went out to dinner for our anniversary in July; granted, it was nothing terribly fancy, Outback is about all we can afford even for special occasions. But I wore nice slacks and a nice top, and my husband dressed in much the same "dressy casual" style... and at the restaurant, we saw umpteen people in raggedy cutoffs, mud-splattered t-shirts, falling-apart sneakers, I mean just plain GRUNGY attire. I dress [slightly] better than that to go to the grocery store, but some people apparently see nothing wrong with dressing like they're going to feed the hogs or paint the shed, even when they go out to dinner. I mean, maybe they don't have tons of money, we don't either! But would it kill them to wear CLEAN clothes?

Andria

 

[navigator2011]

You're so right. We went out to dinner for our anniversary in July; granted, it was nothing terribly fancy, Outback is about all we can afford even for special occasions. But I wore nice slacks and a nice top, and my husband dressed in much the same "dressy casual" style... and at the restaurant, we saw umpteen people in raggedy cutoffs, mud-splattered t-shirts, falling-apart sneakers, I mean just plain GRUNGY attire. I dress [slightly] better than that to go to the grocery store, but some people apparently see nothing wrong with dressing like they're going to feed the hogs or paint the shed, even when they go out to dinner. I mean, maybe they don't have tons of money, we don't either! But would it kill them to wear CLEAN clothes?

Andria

Yeah, so many people dress and behave as though they’re living in a post-apocalyptic world, even though they didn’t actually have to endure an apocalypse.

 

[ClippinWings]

I'm curious, where can one read the comments? I thought I'd found the place but 95% of the comments I saw were from people commenting on cigars & it seemed like they had all sent in comments in a copy/paste type format (every comment started with the same first sentence). So I either went to the wrong place or didn't dig deep enough. Can someone provide a link? ty

you're in the right place...

http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketBrowser;rpp=25;po=0;dct=PS;D=FDA-2014-N-0189

you can change the sort method over on the right(sort newest to oldest helps a bit), so does increasing posts per page to 50

http://www.regulations.gov/#!docket...C;sb=postedDate;po=0;dct=PS;D=FDA-2014-N-0189

or use the search field and search vapor
http://www.regulations.gov/#!docket...tedDate;po=0;s=vapor;dct=PS;D=FDA-2014-N-0189

vaper
http://www.regulations.gov/#!docket...tedDate;po=0;s=vaper;dct=PS;D=FDA-2014-N-0189

or ecig
http://www.regulations.gov/#!docket...stedDate;po=0;s=ecig;dct=PS;D=FDA-2014-N-0189

 

[Anjaffm]

@sonicdsl:
Thank you for the cookies. They were tasty

 

[Susan~S]

again, it was about way more than grammar.

Hell my grammar is an absolute mess, almost every one of my posts in this thread has been edited... I post then go "oh crap, that's not right at all".

That may be so -- it happens to all of us.
BUT, you went back and fixed it (via the edit button) when you read what you had just posted!

 

[Susan~S]

I hear you sonicdsl! How do you address that in a public forum? No answer required. I'll just have to get creative in the future.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Judges are not made in heaven but in smokey back rooms like all other politicians. You frequently [not always] can predict decisions by the party affiliation of those who nominated them. Judges all too often interpret laws by their own personal policy preferences [love alliteration] rather than the words written. Judges who arise from the corrupt manure of the political process smell just as bad.
As to your point about unelected rule makers, all federal and many state judges are appointed, not elected. The nine Supreme Court judges are appointed and confirmed with the "advice and consent" of congress as are the appellate and trial court judges in the federal system.
Don't trust judges to save us. Both campaign finance "reform" and the Affordable Care Act were ruled constitutional.

That, in a nutshell, is most of the problem -- people whom Americans DID NOT elect are getting to decide policy -- and that is completely unconstitutional, which maybe some judges will see when this total crap becomes "law" -- see, they're deciding LAW -- and they were never elected to that job! Sure, whatever they decide has to go before Congress, but hey, congress is much too busy counting their ill-gotten gains to worry about points of law. The courts will probably end up being our only refuge.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Judges are not made in heaven but in smokey back rooms like all other politicians. You frequently [not always] can predict decisions by the party affiliation of those who nominated them. Judges all too often interpret laws by their own personal policy preferences [love alliteration] rather than the words written. Judges who arise from the corrupt manure of the political process smell just as bad.
As to your point about unelected rule makers, all federal and many state judges are appointed, not elected. The nine Supreme Court judges are appointed and confirmed with the "advice and consent" of congress as are the appellate and trial court judges in the federal system.
Don't trust judges to save us. Both campaign finance "reform" and the Affordable Care Act were ruled constitutional.

Oh I know, and I've been on the receiving end of a prejudiced judge myself, and have no love for them in general; they have entirely too much power. But it really does seem that the FDA is WILDLY overstepping their mandate, not to mention the US CONSTITUTION, and judges are the only ones who might be able to fix that, if the congressional money-lovers won't help.

And I'd say the "affordable" (which it isn't!) care act is still up in the air. The elections here in GA to replace our retiring senator have basically centered on who was going to fight obamacare and who was in obama's back pocket. GA has still not given in to pressure to support obamacare, and given GA's largely-republican voter base, I doubt it ever will.

Andria

 

[TyPie]

Syntax, grammar and vocabulary have not been a priority in education for many years. Functional illiterates are much easier to produce rather than educated students.

You got a point, there, Bolivar. Functional illiterates are much easier to produce, AND much easier to manipulate as well.

(If I didn't have someone close to me associated with public schools, I would be hesitant to comment on such an important point. The stories I have heard from the schools, as well as some of the things I have observed, are very scary. The inmates are in charge of the asylum in many cases. The US educational system is way out-of-whack, if not completely broken, in my opinion, and a cause for great concern.)

 

[TyPie]

1st Double post!.......

 

[navigator2011]

Judges are not made in heaven but in smokey back rooms like all other politicians. You frequently [not always] can predict decisions by the party affiliation of those who nominated them. Judges all too often interpret laws by their own personal policy preferences [love alliteration] rather than the words written. Judges who arise from the corrupt manure of the political process smell just as bad.
As to your point about unelected rule makers, all federal and many state judges are appointed, not elected. The nine Supreme Court judges are appointed and confirmed with the "advice and consent" of congress as are the appellate and trial court judges in the federal system.
Don't trust judges to save us. Both campaign finance "reform" and the Affordable Care Act were ruled constitutional.

The true shame is that so many Americans don’t understand how their own government works, and as a consequence have become cynical and defeatist about participating in the policy forming process. While Congress has the authority to make laws, and the judiciary ensures the laws are constitutional, it is regulatory bodies that are charged with implementing the laws. Because we are the people, and the government is allegedly by the people and for the people, those regulatory bodies are required to post their proposed regulations for “public comment.” Aside from voting, public comment is the part where the people are supposed to act like engaged citizens and make their opinions known to the government, so that the government may accordingly augment the proposed regulations.

Unfortunately, we’ve apparently done such a lousy job of teaching our young just how lucky they are to have the opportunity to express their own opinions, without fear of reprisal. So many Americans I encounter online seem to be convinced that their own government is so corrupt and rigged that they don’t even bother voting or posting their public comments. I can think of more than one other country where the citizens just wish they could have a say. The real truth is that the American government is most likely about as just, fair, and inclusive as any government will ever be on this planet. I fear for how long such a system can last when its own citizens cannot see its value.

 

[Susan2014]

Now me I am a person who has brain fog from so many surgeries back to back. So I don't always type what my brain tells it to. As far as grammar goes most days I am lucky to remember my name. It is people who voice there opinions like this that make people like me not want to post because we will be made fun of. I am educated and not ignorant but can't remember simple things at times. I am not one of them who sent in vapor or vaper. I just wanted to say you can't always judge a book by its cover.
Susan

 

[Dishevel]

If Google cant fix there errors than it wont be fixed.