Really need some good suggestions guys and gals

[White Rabbit]

OK This might be a very long question:

First I buy my base pre mixed 50/50 PG/VG 12% Nic. I have all the supplies pipettes, needles, jars etc. and the following flavors from Wizard Labs (They sell TFA etc.)

Caramel Candy TFA, Bavarian Cream TFA, Coconut Extra Flavor Concentrate TFA, Double RY4 TFA, Milk Chocolate TFA, Sweet Cream TFA, Ethyl Malto 10% PG TFA, Black Honey tobacco TFA, Butter Rum LA, Captain Black SM, Caramel Cappuccino TFA, Kentucky Bourbon TFA and Kona Coffee TFA and samples of Pineapple.

I have tried several tobacco mixes and several coffee, all between 5% and 20% flavoring as a true % of nic base. NONE TASTE GOOD AT ALL ! Higher percent of flavor ?????

My everyday juice comes from EC Blends RY4 and Black Magic. I have also tired Heavenly Vapes Huntsman and Gandalf. They all have a distinct flavor and smell. My mixed DYI is just SWEET, thats all. I can't seem to get any flavor or smell out of my mixed juice.

Note: I have not let my DYI experiments steep and that may help. I do run them under hot water and let them sit for 15 minutes or so. The way I look at it, if they don't have any distinct flavor or smell initially, steeping will not help, but if they at least taste somewhat good at first, steeping will definately help. Am I going wrong here?


If some of you can figure out a good recipie from my above flavors, PM me.


Thanks

 

[White Rabbit]

OK, need to add to my questions? I just read that "standard flavors" from Wizard Labs are 10% flavor and 90% PG, whereas concentrates are 100% flavoring. Could this be my problem. I am using percentages of the standard flavors from Wizard Labs, therefore should I up the amounts like 50% or more?

 

[purelyscientific]

What percent are you using your flavorings at?

 

[BillLouisiana]

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[glassmanoak]

OK, need to add to my questions? I just read that "standard flavors" from Wizard Labs are 10% flavor and 90% PG, whereas concentrates are 100% flavoring. Could this be my problem. I am using percentages of the standard flavors from Wizard Labs, therefore should I up the amounts like 50% or more?

Do not up the flavoring percentages just yet. The flavorings you are using are TFA. Use them at recommended percentages. Usually, problems in taste occur when you use them at too high a percentage. Particularly tobacco flavorings, which you have a lot of. LOTS of people will disagree with me, but I usually start tobaccos at 1 drop per 5ml. For MY pipettes, that is 0.5%. You can also add 1 drop per 5ml of vinegar. I use Apple Cider Vinegar. That also works on fruit flavorings.
Fruits are usually good from the gitgo.. Tobaccos have to steep.. usually weeks. Don't throw away your first attempts. Store them in a dark place with the caps off and try them once a week.
Also try 0ne drop of Caramel Cappuccino per 5ml and 1-2% EM.(For me, that would be 2-4 drops per 5ml) The Cappuccino is VERY strong but it is a good vape.
In my opinion, your problem is too much flavoring AND not allowing enough steeping. Not as much steeping is needed for fruit flavorings, but I think it is necessary for tobaccos. I mixed TFA M-type flavoring and it was awful.. harsh and strong! 5 weeks later, it was smooth, mild and absolutely a great tobacco taste. So you can't always judge the first few days.
Try this thread for some percentage guidance:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...10-flavor-apprentice-flavoring-thread-13.html

 

[MiamiMom63]

An easy DIY from those lists of extracts that I like sometimes is 15% Bavarian Cream to whatever your base is. It's pretty decent alone, or you can add an additional 2% of another flavor to it to give it a change. That's just a simple one. I'm not as familiar with the tobaccos. Also, alot of DIY extracts are not too good by themselves and need other flavors to compliment them like whipped cream, sweet cream, etc. I might have added a lil bit of Cotton Candy to the Bavarian Cream as well. Also, most extracts are PG based so you would just state on the calculator 100% PG, which is what I do with the calculator, unless you have an organic extract that you know is alcohol based.

 

[White Rabbit]

What percent are you using your flavorings at?

I have tried starting at 5% and have worked up to maybe 20% Example: 20 drops of PG/VG Base at 12% nic (pre mixed Wizard Labs)
Add 1 drop of TFA non concentrated flavor lets say Bavarian Cream. I get NO TASTE or SMELL. I have worked up different batches at 2 drops to 4 drops, with and without lets say Milk Chocolate. Still not a strong sense of either cream or chocoloate? BillLouisiana suggests I am using too much flavor and getting nothing as a result. I will try less, but 1 drop of lets say Black Honey Tobacco in 5 Ml of base tastes like vaping pure base.

 

[glassmanoak]

Try reading Hoosier's Blog and see what you think. How are pre-mixed juices for you and how long have you been off cigarettes?
E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

 

[White Rabbit]

Try reading Hoosier's Blog and see what you think. How are pre-mixed juices for you and how long have you been off cigarettes?
E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Will read his blog for sure. I have been off cigarettes for almost 3 months (stopped completly upon vaping) I normally vape EC Blends RY4 and my all day vape is Black Magic. Both taste wonderful to me, so I thought I would try blending my own. My first try came out pretty good using: 5 ML 50/50 PG/VG @ 12 mg NIC
1ML Honey Tobacco Flavor Labs 20%
½ ML Captain Black Flavor Labs 10%
This was when I received my first shippment from WL. Since I vaped that up and continue to use Black Magic because it has a slightly different flavor that I can't quite distinguish.

 

[purelyscientific]

I will try less, but 1 drop of lets say Black Honey Tobacco in 5 Ml of base tastes like vaping pure base.

My recipe for black honey tobacco-
5mL
5% Black honey flv.(25 drops)
2% Ethyl Maltol(10 drops)

If you can't taste if then either
A. Your taste buds are still wacky from tobaccy
B. Your taste buds aren't as sensitive as the rest of us.
C. You have a cold.

Try my recipe. Let me know what you think. You might need to add a extra 5 drops of the black honey because I vape a higher PG% than you.

 

[glassmanoak]

My recipe for black honey tobacco-
5mL
5% Black honey flv.(25 drops)
2% Ethyl Maltol(10 drops)

If you can't taste if then either
A. Your taste buds are still wacky from tobaccy
B. Your taste buds aren't as sensitive as the rest of us.
C. You have a cold.

Try my recipe. Let me know what you think. You might need to add a extra 5 drops of the black honey because I vape a higher PG% than you.

How many drops per ml are you using? My pipette has only 40 drops per ml.

 

[purelyscientific]

Oh crap, sorry. I forgot to say.
I use a 1mL syringe with a 14ga needle tip. I get 100 drops/mL
25 drops translates to .25(1/4th) of a mL

That was the edited version of my recipe^. I made it at 4% and it wasn't strong enough so I just added 1% to the recipe I gave to you guys.

But now I just tasted my 4% recipe again and it gained flavor. O.O
This has never happened to me before.
My juices ALWAYS loose flavor.

 

[White Rabbit]

Thanks for all of you help guys and gals. I have been reading a lot and found the Wizard Labs (TFA) flavorings thread and printed out the recommended percentages of TFA flavorings. Last night I had mixed a plain batch of Double RY4 @ 10%. This AM it tasted OK, but still weak. The thread recommended 15% mix, so I added 1/2 Ml of Double RY4 to my 10 ML 10% batch, then put it in the micorwave for 5 seconds, shook it up and WOW! It now tastes almost identical to my RY4 extra flavor from EC Blends. I imagine when it steeps for awhile it will be just fine.

 

[BakuPeg]

ok, you are doing good for your first starters. I would first do research on each flavor. Using a baseline "all tpa at 5 or 10%" is kinda asking for trouble.

TPA Caramel Cap = 1 or 2 DROPS per 10ml. It is EXTREMELY potent. It is really good if you like coffee vapes. Mix with ehh 2% sweet cream amd some EM.

Click on the TPA thread to get the "recommended" Mixing percentage from felow vapers. If that doesn't work try the forum search function.

oh yes do not forget to steep your juices! nuking them works in a pinch

 

[purelyscientific]

Using a baseline "all tpa at 5 or 10%" is kinda asking for trouble.

For those of us who started DIY'ing before the TFA thread really took off that was our only option.

 

[Xylocaine]

Just my two cents here,

Ethyl Maltol can mute flavoring dramatically and I hear is used to try and 'blend flavoring'. You may want to try a higher dilution of your EM. I do not use TFA flavorings but I do use FA and one thing I've heard consistently (no matter the brand) is less is more. If you put too much flavoring in you will not get any flavor at all. I use a maximum of 2.5% flavoring in my mixes. I once had a 30mL bottle of FA Grapefruit I had mixed at about 3-4% (early days) and I added 1 drop of EM (1 part to 9 parts PG mixture) the flavor just went away completely. A month later (I had left it in a cupboard to steep) it wasn't bad but was still not nearly as good as what I have mixed without the use of sweeteners.

 

[White Rabbit]

Amazing stuff, more flavor into the mix = no flavor at all? I guess I will just have to take your word for it. I did notice that most of my flavors from WL are "concentrates" so you all may just hit the nail right on the head. By the way if any of you find a decent recipie for EC Blends "Black Magic" PLEASE PM ME RIGHT AWAY. I just love that juice.

 

[purelyscientific]

Amazing stuff, more flavor into the mix = no flavor at all? I guess I will just have to take your word for it.

I know, crazy right?
I always was doubtful about this. But now this new flavor I'm playing with has me wondering...
I started of at 3% and it was good, then I gradually bumped it up to 5% and now I can't really taste it anymore.
I am going to try going back down to 3% to see if it makes any difference.

 

[glassmanoak]

It's one of those crazy things about DIY.. Increasing flavor percentage doesn't always increase taste and letting a mixture sit in a warm, dark place uncapped usually increases taste. Counter-intuitive!!

 

[Hoosier]

The chuckles, the second page gives me those...