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[amolson]

This is the tack I took with the people making the rules for the school where I work, where they've decided to ban all tobacco and tobacco associated products ...

I don't think it's appropriate to ban things because of an association. I also don't think it's right to ban nicotine on a college campus, as it's a legal substance for adults, which describes (chronologically at least) almost all college students. Seriously, do you ban cups because people can drink alcoholic beverages out of them? I've seen a lot of younger people vaping non-nicotine juice for the same reasons someone might chew gum or suck on a peppermint. With the critical part being, I think it's wrong to assume someone is vaping or chewing nicotine bearing materials. Even more, that searching the person, particularly with a blood test, for proof of nicotine consumption is major invasion of privacy.

But then I think the best thing for the vaping community would be to loose the automatic association with nicotine, which the young people are doing. For many kids (I mean the 18-25 set) it's like chewing gum, but less slobbery and quieter. Personally, I prefer vaping to gum chewing. The whole cow and cud thing makes me rather disgusted and I love seeing these people get into the tech and engineering of mods.

 

[Jman8]

Work from home. Problem solved.

Maybe attend occasional meetings at a hotel. If hotel and colleagues are okay with vaping, then go ahead and vape. If some low level manager of hotel tries to tell you vaping is not okay, let her know you totally agree. Then vape behind her back.

 

[Equilibrium]

.... "Then vape behind her back."

Then potentially get kicked out of a company meeting because you weren't mature enough to abide by the hotels request. Yeah, that's what you should do. It'll be great for your career. But you didn't need that job anyway, right?!

 

[Mig01]

Went to a bar restaurant the other day with friends (non smokers and non vapers). I showed them my e-cig, explained to them what it was and what I exhaled, asked them if thy objected to my vaping and they said no problems. I then ask the server if I could vape. He said: could you please take a puff? I did and he said: "it does not smell anything, vape away".
ten minutes later, another patron a few tables away asked the server why I was allowed to smoke. I heard the server: "he is not smoking, he is using a medical inhaler". That was it.

 

[TheProphet]

.... "Then vape behind her back."

Then potentially get kicked out of a company meeting because you weren't mature enough to abide by the hotels request. Yeah, that's what you should do. It'll be great for your career. But you didn't need that job anyway, right?!

It wasn't the hotel's request. The OP said the Hotel was okay with vaping. It was that one lady in particular that took issue with the activity.

 

[Equilibrium]

I was commenting on what Jman8 wrote. Re-read it....

...."Maybe attend occasional meetings at a hotel. If hotel and colleagues are okay with vaping, then go ahead and vape. If some low level manager of hotel tries to tell you vaping is not okay, let her know you totally agree. Then vape behind her back.

 

[Jman8]

.... "Then vape behind her back."

Then potentially get kicked out of a company...

Then potentially go work for a much better company. Then potentially make enough money to buy out the original company and potentially fire that employee who hassled people where no one else saw reason to hassle those same people.

 

[Equilibrium]

Then potentially go work for a much better company. Then potentially make enough money to buy out the original company and potentially fire that employee who hassled people where no one else saw reason to hassle those same people.

I guess in a perfect world, maybe, but we all know the chances of that. Most of us aren't Steve Jobs. In the job market today, we need our jobs.

 

[Jman8]

I guess in a perfect world, maybe

And in an perfect world where people have perfect spidey senses, they'd maybe catch you vaping. As things stand now, I'm batting 1.000 and I vape indoors in public places frequently. Chances of this lady catching me vaping indoors, behind her back, are between 0% and my chance of dating J-Lo and Beyonce at the same time.

 

[Equilibrium]

LOL.... you do your thing and I'll do mine. All is good...

 

[faitaccompli]

Technically where I work, it is banned (sort of). However, here is how I handled the situation. I asked my colleagues that sit around me if it bothers them, they said no... I told them to let me know if any of it ever did and I vape away discreetly. There was one instance where a co-worker was bothered by the smell of a particular juice - which was a fairly strong smell (though not nasty) - so I simply quit bringing that flavor to work.

The bottom line, in my estimation, is just be an adult about it.

 

[Amraann]

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LOL... my son just got his first job and upon receiving his first paycheck he was floored!! "Is THAT all I'm making Dad??"

And... He's only worked there for a month and last week he asked if he could have 2 weeks off to go to the beach with a friend. They of course told him no. Again... he was like "WTH Dad?? They won't let me off to go to the beach."

"Welcome to the real world son" Wait until you have a home and a family to support, then the real 'fun' begins"

LOL!! My daughter is almost 25. She works full time and makes OK money considering she only has a HS diploma.
She lives with us so I do charge rent.
Not a huge amount. 300$ a month which includes food, washer dryer, Pool etc etc.
She decides that she is going on vacation.. (She did get the time off of work) Then she expected to not have to pay rent because she was not going to be here that week.
HAHAHHA! I literally laughed out loud and explained that if she rented from any one else and decided to go on vacation she would still have to pay her rent.

 

[Equilibrium]

LOL... that's funny! I wish the world worked that way, don't you?!

 

[nrap]

The bottom line, in my estimation, is just be an adult about it.

This sums it up nicely.

 

[RageKage]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I won't vape in public anywhere that smoking is prohibited. The reality is that most people don't know the difference between smoking and vaping when they see you blowing clouds. It looks like smoke, so to someone not educated on vaping in general, you appear to be smoking where it's strictly prohibited. Of course, that's going to draw negative attention, and already you've put a negative perception of vaping into someone's mind before having a chance to educate them on the differences. That being said, when someone sees me standing outside vaping, they'll be curious as to what the fancy device is that I'm puffing away on, and I'll get the occasional question about it. That's when we have the chance to educate and portray vaping in a positive light rather than starting the whole interaction with a negative perception. I think drawing more attention by vaping in places where smoking is prohibited is one certain way to speed up any pending legislation to ban vaping in public. Just my humble opinion here.

 

[Neyzen]

If you are sharing a closed space with someone else, you must respect their preferences.
Vaping is not proven to be harmless, so they may complain even if you believe it is 100% safe..

 

[TheJuiceBar]

You gotta be aware of your surroundings.

 

[Jman8]

The reality is that most people don't know the difference between smoking and vaping when they see you blowing clouds.

In my reality, every non vaper is able to distinguish between vapor and smoke, especially in indoor spaces. The more enclosed, the easier they are able to tell the difference. I'm feeling confident that a blind person (non-vaper) could tell the difference.

Again, in my reality, I vape frequently indoors.

 

[Racehorse]

LOL!! My daughter is almost 25. She works full time and makes OK money considering she only has a HS diploma.
She lives with us so I do charge rent.
Not a huge amount. 300$ a month which includes food, washer dryer, Pool etc etc.

Good for you for charging rent.

With the amenities that is a stellar good deal!

Your daughter should be pleased to have "snagged" such a great rental. LOL

Yeah, that's cute about not wanting to pay rent while on vacation.......hey, at least she is shaping up to be a good negotiator.

She sounds like a good kid.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

LOL!! My daughter is almost 25. She works full time and makes OK money considering she only has a HS diploma.
She lives with us so I do charge rent.
Not a huge amount. 300$ a month which includes food, washer dryer, Pool etc etc.
She decides that she is going on vacation.. (She did get the time off of work) Then she expected to not have to pay rent because she was not going to be here that week.
HAHAHHA! I literally laughed out loud and explained that if she rented from any one else and decided to go on vacation she would still have to pay her rent.

I'd have let you know I wouldn't be returning, laughing out loud at family would be a line not crossed in my house; at a joke, a minor silly mistake, or something similar I can see. However that seems to have been a serious request on her part; one deserving of a respectful reply.

I'm not saying that you are wrong for continuing to charge as you are very correct in that were she renting the bills do not stop flowing, simply that laughing at the request strikes me as out of line between adults and were you actually renting to someone other than your daughter I somehow doubt you would have approached the situation similarly.

If you treat her as a renter, treat her as a renter; and expect to be treated like a landlord in return.

If you treat her as family, be consistent and treat her as family; and expect to be treated like family in return.

When you mash things up and scramble them together, one or the other is going to suffer.

I only have a HS diploma and made $186,800 last year, some of the most wealthy people just have a HS diploma.

Good day,
Maurice