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[neutrontech]

I got this the other day. I went to the radio station to pick up some tickets I won. No one in the lobby besides me and the receptionist sitting 20 ft away, who was fairly young so she prob at least knew vaping. She got all snotty with me saying she was going to have to call security.
I'm not the person to vape inside publicly unless it seems ok, for instance not around kids, in restaurants, in ppls faces etc.
As soon as she gave me my tickets I hoped in the elevator and made sure to blow her some nice clouds before the doors closed

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I don't understand the whole stomping your feet temper tantrum people do when they feel they've been wronged. If you truly have been wronged, there are usually channels you can go through to get some sort of resolution. If you feel the only way to get resolution is by a temper tantrum, then you probably weren't wronged to begin with. I'm not just talking about vaping either.

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[krisjay]

For me, if someone has an issue with me vaping and it is indoors, I have the common courtesy to stop, I don't get all upptiy and feel like I have been wronged somehow. If it is outdoors, I still would on most occasions move to a different area to vape. I don't see how vaping with people who don't want it near them can be good for anyone. Do these people have a clue to what vapor and vaping is, probably not, but I would just rather not do it. Id rather try to educate then infuriate.

 

[Racehorse]

The fact of the matter is nobody should have to accommodate you anymore than you should accommodate them.

The fact of the matter seems to be that the work ethic has changed.

The employer "accommodates" you by giving you a job, and a paycheck. That's how it always has been.

You are compensated for your work, in $$. Anything else is lagniappe/extra. We were always delighted to have a job that paid well and allowed us to support our families and keep a roof overhead.

My guess is the average age of this forum has come down considerably, and those giving such 'advice' don't have a career and live at home with their parents...

Well I am really starting to wonder.

I talk to young people all the time and am floored by what they expect their work life to be like.

A job is called "work" for a reason.......

 

[Equilibrium]

LOL... my son just got his first job and upon receiving his first paycheck he was floored!! "Is THAT all I'm making Dad??"

And... He's only worked there for a month and last week he asked if he could have 2 weeks off to go to the beach with a friend. They of course told him no. Again... he was like "WTH Dad?? They won't let me off to go to the beach."

"Welcome to the real world son" Wait until you have a home and a family to support, then the real 'fun' begins"

 

[Jman8]

The gov't hasn't made a stand on vaping yet; they're letting the media make their case for them for the time being. We as vapors should set the right example and try to educate the masses. That doesn't mean force our vapor down their throats inside public places though. Not a very wise marketing tactic.

Local/state governments have taken a stand on usage of vaping, and this includes outdoor places. FDA / federal government is unlikely to get into this aspect of the debate. A politically aware vaper would realize our opposition really doesn't care, even a little bit, about where you vape (includes own home and car) but does care that it appears to re-normalize smoking.

When I am out in public vaping, I never force vapor down people's throats. I realize that sort of rhetoric appears to work for some people to reconsider vaping indoors. But from ANTZ perspective, it is hoped it works for vaping anywhere outside of your own house. This includes all places outdoors. If you think it doesn't include outdoor places, then I find that position to be very naive. It is literally on par with idea that you (or all vapers) don't need more than 2 flavors. Therefore all people producing more than 2 basic flavors are the ones hurting our cause and enticing children to vape. If you agree with anti-indoor vaping rhetoric, then you can likely agree with this. The fact that you may desire more than 2 flavors is not an inherent right you have, and so please be a good little vaper and roll over for ANTZ on both the flavors and usage points.

Set a good example of vaping by vaping indoors with respect. I manage to do it all the time.

 

[Racehorse]

"WTH Dad?? They won't let me off to go to the beach."

"Welcome to the real world son" Wait until you have a home and a family to support, then the real 'fun' begins"

LOL Thanks for sharing that delightful story.

One of my young nephews just had a job interview for an after school job to help save money for college. A number of people pulled strings so that he could even GET an interview.

What does he do? He basically told the employer what hours and days "he" was willing to work.

Of course, no job was offered after that gaffe.


Yes, once you have an advanced degree / training and 10 places are vying for your experience and knowledge....

......but I am talking jobs in customer service, call centers, retail, restaurants, warehouses, construction, low-level office staff, etc. I really worry about these kids, how they are going to make it out there, with this totally misinformed idea that they can dictate to employers.

 

[bsumpter]

I vape indoors at home, but I do tend to treat the vape as smoking when I'm out in public. That may change, but for now I figure its best to be considerate and keep in mind that many others aren't really as up on vaping as the community here.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Some adults don't get the concept of work ethic either.

Maurice

 

[Dominique Hoogduin]

And of course sweaty people in an enclosed space all exhaling and farting creates none.

Trouble breathing? you're having me on! People with lung issues use humidifiers precisely to get more water vapour in them, think of a cold remedy like a hot bowl of steaming water and a towel.

T

too much moisture causes lung issues too... doubtful vape can increase air that much though.. anyone with a hygrometer that can test it?

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[Equilibrium]

Local/state governments have taken a stand on usage of vaping, and this includes outdoor places. FDA / federal government is unlikely to get into this aspect of the debate. A politically aware vaper would realize our opposition really doesn't care, even a little bit, about where you vape (includes own home and car) but does care that it appears to re-normalize smoking.

When I am out in public vaping, I never force vapor down people's throats. I realize that sort of rhetoric appears to work for some people to reconsider vaping indoors. But from ANTZ perspective, it is hoped it works for vaping anywhere outside of your own house. This includes all places outdoors. If you think it doesn't include outdoor places, then I find that position to be very naive. It is literally on par with idea that you (or all vapers) don't need more than 2 flavors. Therefore all people producing more than 2 basic flavors are the ones hurting our cause and enticing children to vape. If you agree with anti-indoor vaping rhetoric, then you can likely agree with this. The fact that you may desire more than 2 flavors is not an inherent right you have, and so please be a good little vaper and roll over for ANTZ on both the flavors and usage points.

Set a good example of vaping by vaping indoors with respect. I manage to do it all the time.

I haven't seen any evidence of local or state governments regulating vaping in the state I live in. It may be going on else where but I haven't seen it here. Businesses yes, but that is there right to do so.

As far as the number of juices go - I have way to many. Lol

And vaping indoors - I just don't. I can wait until I get outside where in my opinion it's more appropriate.

 

[neutrontech]

Some adults don't get the concept of work ethic either.

Maurice

The truth. When I moved into management I saw how ridiculously coddled people need to be, or else they feel the company hates them and are nothing more than slave laborers violating their rights. These guys make decent money too, but heaven forbid you ask them to do their job or deny their unearned time off request. Then they get hostile and feel like they are being treated like dirt. It's pretty sad to watch grown men act like this.

I was always taught to remember that I asked them for a job, and that I promised to do a job for a wage. If I failed to perform my duties, but accepted the money, then I was stealing. I was also taught good work ethics, and to be there for my scheduled shift ready to work.

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[Jman8]

I haven't seen any evidence of local or state governments regulating vaping in the state I live in. It may be going on else where but I haven't seen it here. Businesses yes, but that is there right to do so.

I live in a state that sought to exempt vaping from Clean Indoor Air Act. Didn't quite finish the job, but didn't go the other way. It's very rare in my state where I ask if I can do it, and I'm told no. And if it is a big place (i.e. Walmart), I really don't see the point in asking. I've had experience where one manager of big place said, "sure, why would that be a problem," and another manager at different time saying it was policy that it is never allowed. Acted as if I made up the idea that another manager said what I said. Not even sure why I asked the 2nd time, but I did. As I do it so discreetly, and as I'm batting 1.000, I figure it is not worth asking in the larger mega stores. Especially given the political fight my state went thru.

 

[Bobbilly]

The fact of the matter seems to be that the work ethic has changed.

The employer "accommodates" you by giving you a job, and a paycheck. That's how it always has been.

You are compensated for your work, in $$. Anything else is lagniappe/extra. We were always delighted to have a job that paid well and allowed us to support our families and keep a roof overhead.



Well I am really starting to wonder.

I talk to young people all the time and am floored by what they expect their work life to be like.

A job is called "work" for a reason.......

Actually the employer doesn't accommodate you by giving you a job. You are providing services to the employer that he compensates you for.

 

[Razorback]

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LOL... my son just got his first job and upon receiving his first paycheck he was floored!! "Is THAT all I'm making Dad??"

And... He's only worked there for a month and last week he asked if he could have 2 weeks off to go to the beach with a friend. They of course told him no. Again... he was like "WTH Dad?? They won't let me off to go to the beach."

"Welcome to the real world son" Wait until you have a home and a family to support, then the real 'fun' begins"

I remember those days.... Wait, I'm almost 45 and they still wont let me off to go to the beach.

 

[Razorback]

Actually the employer doesn't accommodate you by giving you a job. You are providing services to the employer that he compensates you for.

I recommend Larry Winget's "They Call It Work For A Reason." Good book for teens as well as adults.

 

[Skeebo]

Wherever smoking is not allowed, I won't vape.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Actually the employer doesn't accommodate you by giving you a job. You are providing services to the employer that he compensates you for.

This is a topic in and of itself (the law is not uniform of the subject of employment), still while you do provide services to the employer, you do so under the terms of employment which are dictated by; any number of laws, a potential slew of contracts, employer policies and procedures, etc.

In any case the workplace is not a place where we should press to hard on the subject of vaping, employers are required to comply with state/federal/local laws, contracts, government regulations, and a few court orders in some cases. The reason why you may not vape at work may seem quite simple to you, in fact it may well be a very complex issue, one you have no intrinsic right to be informed of.

People never like to be told what to do, I think mainly because they feel this restricts their rights in some way. This stems from a undeveloped understanding of what our rights really are and to what extent they are able to protect us and our day to day activities.

In any case the point of accommodating each other was not speaking about the employer employee relationship in particular, it was speaking to our relations with anyone in just about any situation. I can assume that public indecency laws came about because some folk just didn't feel they needed to put on some clothing, it's pretty silly but such laws come about because the majority of people just didn't care to look at that sort of thing.

Maurice

 

[Racehorse]

Actually the employer doesn't accommodate you by giving you a job. You are providing services to the employer that he compensates you for.

I won't split hairs, your statement is entirely valid....in part.

However, going back to the source, you would not be providing services to an employer, or be compensated, unless they decided to have you in the first place, and there is lots of competition to "provide services".

 

[obsidian5889]

While I regret ever starting this thread I do enjoy the current turn in conversation it has taken

 

[neutrontech]

While I regret ever starting this thread I do enjoy the current turn in conversation it has taken

Some of the best threads I've read have been threads that went off topic.

I've read many threads that started about one topic, turned into entertaining banter, then shifted to a new topic entirely. Good times indeed

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