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[neutrontech]

i vape every where.i dont cloud chase and tend to be a little covert about it.on the bus,at the store,even standing in line
at the the checkout.no one even notices.if i'm ever asked not to fine no problem.have not been asked yet.
my point its vapor.it will not harm you,the kids,and heaven forbid your pets.the chances of you or me running
into someone thats allergic to pg is zilch and next to none.there wouldn't be enough pg to trigger an allergic reaction
anyway,unless they were hyper,hyper,hyper sensitive.i am not saying go have a cloud chasing contest in the middle
of the aisle at walmart,just act naturally.unless you're using one of the fragrant juices you'll find that with out the
odor and trailing plume of smoke from a regular smoke most people are oblivious.
we don't and shouldn't tip toe around.always assume you can vape unless posted or told otherwise.of course discretion and decorum
should be used.

regards
mike

please excuse my syntax,i have no idea why my post's come out this way.
they appear compact and neat before submitting them.

I'm inclined to agree. As long as you aren't blowing clouds in the personal space of others, I don't see the problem.

Comparing vaping to smoking isn't appropriate either. To say we had to go outside to smoke, so no big deal to go outside and vape, is an invalid argument because vaping is not smoking and shouldn't be treated as such. No one is being harmed by vapor, unlike cigarette smoke. Again as long as you're not being rude about it and blowing clouds at people, vape on.

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[Jerry Lyles]

One of my job sites makes us leave the property to vape with the smokers. About 100 yards from the building! Its total crap!

 

[neutrontech]

Why has it become such a big thing to be told to vape elsewhere when during the time we were smokers we had to go elsewhere and we dealt with it.

Because vaping is not smoking. Vaping has nothing to do with smoking. Vaping shouldn't even be compared to smoking. Apples and oranges. That's like saying since you had to go outside to smoke, you have to stand outside when wearing blue shirts. Two things that have nothing to do with each other. Just doesn't make sense.

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[Skeebo]

Because vaping is not smoking. Vaping has nothing to do with smoking. Vaping shouldn't even be compared to smoking. Apples and oranges. That's like saying since you had to go outside to smoke, you have to stand outside when wearing blue shirts. Two things that have nothing to do with each other. Just doesn't make sense.

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Apples and Oranges to us, maybe not to those who never smoked a cigarette. Some of them have a firm belief that nicotine is a carcinogen; however incorrect that belief is--they have associated the two. It takes time to tear those walls down. Some choose to plow threw it, and blow vapor in their face. And, some realize these things take time. In a time of government telling me what I can and cannot do-- I have to admit, I see both sides of the arguement.

Btw, I know none of us are actually blowing the vapor in the face of others, but that's probably how they take it.

Skeebo

 

[tj99959]

Trust me on this ............ your rights end where mine begin. (or did I get that backwards)

 

[Shootist]

One of my job sites makes us leave the property to vape with the smokers. About 100 yards from the building! Its total crap!

Do they also make people with asthma inhalers go outside to use their devices? They probably expel more chemicals into the air than E-cig inhalers.

I'd tell them to go pound salt and let them fire me then sue the shyt out of them for discrimination. But that's me. My bosses once said to me "You're to old to work in the field". I'm in construction. I said to them if they ever said that again I'd sue them. They looked at me with glazed eyes and have never brought it up again.

 

[neutrontech]

Apples and Oranges to us, maybe not to those who never smoked a cigarette. Some of them have a firm belief that nicotine is a carcinogen; however incorrect that belief is--they have associated the two. It takes time to tear those walls down. Some choose to plow threw it, and blow vapor in their face. And, some realize these things take time. In a time of government telling me what I can and cannot do-- I have to admit, I see both sides of the arguement.

Btw, I know none of us are actually blowing the vapor in the face of others, but that's probably how they take it.

Skeebo

I agree with you. But my response was in regards to the comment that stated we shouldn't be upset over being asked to vape outside because we smoked outside. I completely understand how others may perceive us, and I am quite discreet about vaping because of it. However, just because I comply doesn't mean I like or agree with it. It didn't bother me to smoke outside because I didn't like the effects of smoking inside. Vaping is not the same, so I do dislike having to go outside to vape.

I have no problem being asked to vape outside. I do have a problem with someone telling me that since I smoked outside I should be okay with vaping outside. Apples and oranges.

Why has it become such a big thing to be told to vape elsewhere when during the time we were smokers we had to go elsewhere and we dealt with it.

It was just this statement that I disagreed with, not the act of vaping outside itself. I'm even ok with this statement from someone who doesn't know any better. It's a ridiculous statement from someone who knows the difference.



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[edyle]

The thread boils down to etiquette.

 

[Lurch]

In public, I typically don't vape where I would not have smoked. Just not worth the problems...
But, what always frosts me is the little old lady who soaked in a 55 gallon drum of the worst smelling perfume in world before going out for the evening. I am allergic to some perfumes and have had to leave restaurants from the effects!

I think we should have "no perfume zones" in public places!

 

[Skeebo]

I agree with you. But my response was in regards to the comment that stated we shouldn't be upset over being asked to vape outside because we smoked outside. I completely understand how others may perceive us, and I am quite discreet about vaping because of it. However, just because I comply doesn't mean I like or agree with it. It didn't bother me to smoke outside because I didn't like the effects of smoking inside. Vaping is not the same, so I do dislike having to go outside to vape.

I have no problem being asked to vape outside. I do have a problem with someone telling me that since I smoked outside I should be okay with vaping outside. Apples and oranges.

That's my bad man. I should have prefaced that solely meaning the discussion itself, because you're right in what you brought forth. It's hard sometimes to convey thoughts and emotion together as one on the interwebz....

My apologies,

Skeebo

 

[neutrontech]

That's my bad man. I should have prefaced that solely meaning the discussion itself, because you're right in what you brought forth. It's hard sometimes to convey thoughts and emotion together as one on the interwebz....

My apologies,

Skeebo

It's all good. I read too deep in that post. I have a tendency to do that sometimes. To clarify; I was not upset about someone telling me I should vape outside, I was upset that someone was telling me I should vape outside just because I smoked outside. I now realize that you didn't mean what I thought.

Anyways

I'm pretty self conscious about my vaping. Even outside I don't like to draw attention to my vaping. Mostly because I don't feel like explaining what I'm doing. If I'm in a public building and feel I must vape, I do so discreetly in the bathroom for the same reason I mentioned. I do vape freely in my office though, or around others who are already aware of my vaping.

I have no issues with others vaping in public either. If I wasn't trying to avoid explaining myself, I'd probably be more free with my vaping.



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[jordansinn]

Tell them to take it up with mother nature if the air is too humid lol

 

[Bunnykiller]

what water vapor?? its glycerin vapor totally different molecular make up

 

[stevegmu]

It seems the generation born after myself is allergic to everything. Vape isn't simply water molecules, unless the PG, VG, nicotine, flavors and preservatives are made to disappear by gnomes...

 

[Jman8]

I'm in a hotel using the public meeting rooms with some associates. The hotel itself doesn't care. No one else in the group cares. She just likes to whine.

That's the funny thing in the long run she did go outside where it's like 80% humidity because it's getting ready to storm. I started laughing.

I commend you on letting it go given your frustration. If hotel (owner of establishment) doesn't have issue and all people you are with don't have an issue, then you did literally zero wrong by vaping indoors in a public place.

I just vaped yesterday indoors in a restaurant, which now brings my 2014 total to 6 restaurants. I am big on vape everywhere, and usually to always say vape everywhere with respect. All the anti-indoor vaping people seem to lack understanding on the 'respect' part, but thus far have done zero to move me from what is most reasonable position moving forward for vaping community.

I'd find great humor in the 80% humidity outside based on the pathetic reason you were given for being told not to vape in place you chose to.

 

[cigarbabe]

So I was just told I needed to take my vaping outside because the increased water vapor makes it hard for others to breath. Not wanting to start a fight I obliged this person but really it was just me. I'm not cloud chasing and it's a high pg blend not really much vapor. I think some people want to complain about everything

Some folks will complain about everything if you let them.
Given the reason she stated I would have asked her/him if she stays indoors on humid days since the molecules of "water"make it so very hard for her to breathe...........
I vape everywhere don't cloud chase in most instances and until they ask me not to I will continue to vape wherever I go.
As far as folks being "allergic" to PG?
I'm still waiting to see someone, anyone post of a pg allergy along with proof from the allergen tests.
Many believe it here but having pg give you a sore throat or dried out skin is not an allergy.
C.B.

 

[NealBJr]

...this is where I'd have to agree with the shop owner. Taking the whole issue of what is a vape, or if it's legal or not to vape OUT of the subject, Let's compare it to something totally unrelated... let's say, dribbling a basketball. There is absolutely nothing illegal about dribbling a basketball. As a matter of fact, it's recommended to play active sports, and it's healty for you. However, there is a time and place for that. If you walked into a courtroom dribbling a basketball, you would be thrown out.. same thing in a mall, restaurant, movie theater, etc...why would you be thrown out for doing something totally legal?

Well, the answer is common courtesy. Dribbling a basketball makes a noise... not an unusually loud noise, but one that can be heard. It's a slight distraction that others do not want in their establishment. You could dribble outside, but inside, it's taboo.

It's not the legal issue that's in question here, and I hate it when people bring the legal issue, or health issue into play. it's not about either of those two. It's about what the store owner or others think. fighting about it won't make it any better, if anything, it will make it worse. Instead, do as they say, but tell them to do some research on the subject. IT might be best to have a few links handy. If you're a real activist, print out business cards with a few reputable websites for them to visit, and keep them in your purse/wallet.

As much as I dislike Rip Tripper's "craziness", he's quite knowlegable and spot on in that video listed above. IT describes my thoughts to a "T".

 

[Jman8]

It's about what the store owner or others think.

Thread starter said hotel and others didn't care if this person vaped indoors. Yesterday when I vaped in a restaurant, I asked manager on site who was okay with it, as were the guests I was with.

fighting about it won't make it any better, if anything, it will make it worse.

Rolling over on this issue won't make it better, which is why I assume debate it on a (pro) vaping forum.

I don't know how many anti-indoor vaping vapers I've seen online who say, "outdoors, all bets are off." IMO, if you roll over, easily on the indoor argument, then the outdoor bans will be that much easier. And ALL the counter arguments to vaping indoors apply to outdoor public places. The reason given to OP of this thread applies to outdoor vaping, because theoretically you could increase vapor in the air, and make it hard for others to breathe. Theoretically. I'm sure all the pro outdoor-vaping vapers (which I assume is vast majority of us) would take issue with that sort of argument, but a non-vaper might not understand and may not care to understand. And I'm thinking vast majority of vapers simply don't care if manager of outdoor area has a policy or not on vaping in that location. They are still going to do it given the nature of vaping (mostly) and because for them it is a non-issue, or so trivial that they just assume let someone come up to them and say we don't allow that here, before they will stop doing it in that location.

Which is how us pro indoor-vaping vapers are. Plus like all vapers, we are able to explain / discuss the issue for those manager types that are open to reason. We can explain it respectfully and hopefully sway them to be reasonable rather than act like close minded dictator.

 

[Racehorse]

I'd tell them to go pound salt and let them fire me then sue the shyt out of them for discrimination.

Listen, don't take this wrong, but some of the posts I see here for dealing with vaping in the workplace are not at all intelligently or carefully considered. You have to know something about employment law, and you can't just lash out with absurd advice.

Once a private company institutes a ban on electronic nicotine delivery devices in their workplace, there are no laws of any kind that require employers to cater to employees personal habits. Employers may regulate aspects of workplace conduct and are free to do so as far as I know.

At this time, I wouldn't suggest telling an employer to "pound salt" unless somebody else is willing to pay your mortage/rent for a while, and/or you have another job lined up.

There are always jobs with different environments/cultures that have policies that you can agree with. Sometimes it's appropriate to just move on and go elsewhere. And I do wish you the utmost success in finding a more reasonable employer/workplace.

But a lawsuit for discrimination? I'd say you have no shot whatsoever with that. None. If the workplace policy is clearly communicated and enforced fairly and consistently the company will absolutely avoid any discrimination claims.

However, you "might" have a case if the employer doesn't provide a designated place for you to vape. Vapers are entitled to a smoke-free zone. Making you vape in an area designated for smokers could be contrued as hazardous to your health, and in that respect, I think you would have a case.

I will also say that people who throw out emotionally charged "advice" perhaps are in jobs that don't pay well, or that have no future so it's not a great loss to lose your temper and just quit. However, there are a lot of people who have professional jobs, for which they spent years preparing for educationally and otherwise, and which pay good salaries, etc. Believe me, they are not about to tell their employers to "pound salt".

There are, contrary to many of the posts here, many employees who vape, who have strategically and professionally, with series of meetings and small task-force groups, helped their companies to work out a vaping policy. I talk to them all the time. Unfortunately, a few more militant type vapers have actually RUINED that for other vapers. One story told to me was a gal who refused to stop vaping in a company meeting in which outside clients had been invited. She was asked not to vape, and refused to comply.

at that point, the company, despite the work and energy and hours that other vapers put into helping develop a vaping policy, decided to discontinue their pro-vaping policy.

so, it works both ways, people.

 

[Lemwise76]

I don't work so I don't have to put up with ......ed workplace rules