What shop owner? Reread the op. This was a hotel, and the person complaining had no affiliation with that hotel.
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What shop owner? Reread the op. This was a hotel, and the person complaining had no affiliation with that hotel.
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Listen, don't take this wrong, but some of the posts I see here for dealing with vaping in the workplace are not at all intelligently or carefully considered. You have to know something about employment law, and you can't just lash out with absurd advice.
Once a private company institutes a ban on electronic nicotine delivery devices in their workplace, there are no laws of any kind that require employers to cater to employees personal habits. Employers may regulate aspects of workplace conduct and are free to do so as far as I know.
At this time, I wouldn't suggest telling an employer to "pound salt" unless somebody else is willing to pay your mortage/rent for a while, and/or you have another job lined up.
There are always jobs with different environments/cultures that have policies that you can agree with. Sometimes it's appropriate to just move on and go elsewhere. And I do wish you the utmost success in finding a more reasonable employer/workplace.
But a lawsuit for discrimination? I'd say you have no shot whatsoever with that. None. If the workplace policy is clearly communicated and enforced fairly and consistently the company will absolutely avoid any discrimination claims.
However, you "might" have a case if the employer doesn't provide a designated place for you to vape. Vapers are entitled to a smoke-free zone. Making you vape in an area designated for smokers could be contrued as hazardous to your health, and in that respect, I think you would have a case.
I will also say that people who throw out emotionally charged "advice" perhaps are in jobs that don't pay well, or that have no future so it's not a great loss to lose your temper and just quit. However, there are a lot of people who have professional jobs, for which they spent years preparing for educationally and otherwise, and which pay good salaries, etc. Believe me, they are not about to tell their employers to "pound salt".
There are, contrary to many of the posts here, many employees who vape, who have strategically and professionally, with series of meetings and small task-force groups, helped their companies to work out a vaping policy. I talk to them all the time. Unfortunately, a few more militant type vapers have actually RUINED that for other vapers. One story told to me was a gal who refused to stop vaping in a company meeting in which outside clients had been invited. She was asked not to vape, and refused to comply.
at that point, the company, despite the work and energy and hours that other vapers put into helping develop a vaping policy, decided to discontinue their pro-vaping policy.
so, it works both ways, people.
My guess is the average age of this forum has come down considerably, and those giving such 'advice' don't have a career and live at home with their parents...
I believe Rip Trippers video hits the mark perfectly!
*Common sense...
*Personal space...
*Respect...
As a "vapor" I want to set a good example not get on the non vapors/non smokers bad side.
Just my
*Common sense...
*Personal space...
*Respect...
As a "vapor" I want to set a good example not get on the non vapors/non smokers bad side.
Just my
Correct, and the OP complied with the demand to be considerate of others.
This vaping inside thing is less a legal/health issue than a courtesy issue.
You have the vaper wanting other to accommodate their desire to have a vape inside at any time they desire, and the non-vapers wanting vapers to accommodate their desire to breathe air that doesn't contain derivatives of vapor production.
I would ask someone to excuse themselves for any number of reasons, all perfectly legal by the way; coughing, phone call, pulling out a flask and having a sip of whatever, passing gas, anything that distracts participants from being able to focus on the job at hand.
Some people take things to the extreme, and this is exactly what prompts workplace rules; no dress code, great come to work dressed as a giant chicken might be one example, its perfectly legal to do so however it is a distraction that effects others ability to perform their functions in the job. While the chicken person may see it differently, perhaps as a freedom of expression thing, it simply will not be tolerated if a complaint is made and a policy will come into play that is designed to foster a distraction free workplace in reference to clothing.
I've no issue with vaping in my local e-cig B&M, or at a koisic selling eliquid in the mall, but outside of those situations in public indoor spaces common courtesy prevails and I'll step out to have a pull or two if I feel the need.
The fact of the matter is nobody should have to accommodate you anymore than you should accommodate them. That in and of itself should be enough to prevent most people from doing things that just bother others. Its not much different than taking a shower before going to work or visiting friends, its just plain old being kind to others sensibilities. Nobody likes people who push their particualrs on them, Jehovah's Witness folks coming to your door at whatever hour in the morning to share the truth comes to mind, at that point I don't care how true anything is get off my property and if you put your foot in my door you'll leave without it.
The same its harmless argument could be made for rubbing one out through your clothing while in a meeting, your doing it to relax, maybe it helps you focus, it certainly isn't going to harm anyone, however very few people want to experience that while at work, complaints will follow and a policy say no .........ion at work gets added to the pile of "do they really need to have a policy that says this stuff" policies right beside the no chicken suits policy.
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.... at "rubbing one out"!! Some of our meeting can get pretty mundane and mindless.... I may have to try that sometime.
Some people will complain about anything. I would wager that it did not at all make it hard to breathe but just the look of smoke set this person off. Like the people who would walk by you when you were smoking and FAKES cough just to make their point, you know the type I'm referring to? They will make a big seen just to make their point. I'll bet the vapor didn't really bother her but she wanted to complain and act like it did. I personally have serious lung problems myself and vapor does not bother or irritate my condition, makes me highly doubt it genuinely bothered her. If you had the ok from the hotel and your associates I don't think you had done anything out of line. But being a work associates you have to try and keep them all happy.
I get vaping in a conference room and being asked to stop. I can see myself being in a conference room and taking a vape....I can also understand the people who don't understand what I'm doing, asking me to take it outside. That's all easily understood.
Heres what I don't get...post #3.
Why do we think it's ok to vape while waiting in line at the grocery store? I don't care if it's not smoking....I don't care if it's totally harmless....insert whatever justification you choose in here. It's just absolutely ridiculous to vape while waiting in line at a grocery store. Seriously? Can't hold off those 5 minutes out of respect for those around you? I can't imagine vaping in line at the grocery store without holding up my middle finger with the other hand.
Heres what I don't get...post #3.
Why do we think it's ok to vape while waiting in line at the grocery store? I don't care if it's not smoking....I don't care if it's totally harmless....insert whatever justification you choose in here. It's just absolutely ridiculous to vape while waiting in line at a grocery store. Seriously? Can't hold off those 5 minutes out of respect for those around you? I can't imagine vaping in line at the grocery store without holding up my middle finger with the other hand.
I agree 100%
Vaping in line at a store is just a blatant show if disrespect. Grow up. As a fellow vapor I would even give you the stink eye. It's not doing our "cause" any good. In my humble opinion, of course.
Haha I like how your post is all sneaky and stuff and you just slip in a video unnoticed
I believe Rip Trippers video hits the mark perfectly!
*Common sense...
*Personal space...
*Respect...
As a "vapor" I want to set a good example not get on the non vapors/non smokers bad side.
Just my
Disagree with this. In first 20 seconds he says that in his experiences, most people, the non-vapers are intimidated by the unknown. This misses the mark of my experience. As one that vapes often in public indoor places, then I likely have lots more experience than those who choose not to, and I can say that there is very little intimidation going on. Now, perhaps it matters significantly that I'm not using big ol' device like he is puffing away on in the video. But that would matter when those who speak of indoor vaping as if it is inherent problem when a cigalike device is not all that intimidating.
He then goes into tirade that the anti-indoor vaping vapers like to cite, which is all rhetoric. And doesn't speak to reality of indoor vaping of the respectful kind. Plus, as I will note in discussions like this, does apply to outdoor vaping etiquette, in public. Many vapers (arguably overwhelming majority) have that sort of attitude when it comes to being outdoors. Thinking, it would seem, that it doesn't matter cause it's done outside in wide open space. But if anyone reading this wishes to go down that road, I'm glad to make the case as clear as possible how it could matter, and I'll essentially be using the anti-indoor vaping arguments.
Question at 2:10 of video says, "would you want to expose non-vapers to nicotine from your eCig?" And my response would be yes. Not unequivocally, but given the logic of what we are actually dealing with, it is a very firm yes. In video he had just brought up playing cards and finding the environment obnoxious from a vaper's perspective. I vape often playing cards with non-vapers, and ask them periodically if they have any issues with my exhaled vapor. To date, there has been just one very minor complaint from one of about 8 guys and his complaint was that occasionally the smell is noticeable. Not bothersome (which is what he said), but noticeable, and only once in awhile. The others hearing this minor complaint said for them, that wasn't something they noticed nor would rise to level of distraction if they did. But more importantly, if you have 5 to 6 vapers standing outside in public crowded place, then the same question that started this paragraph would apply. Would apply in own vaper's car, and own vaper's home, given the assumption that non-vapers are around in that situation.
Around 3:00 mark of vid, he makes pertinent point that if nobody is around, he will vape indoors in public. That's vaping with respect 101. And again, pertains to outdoor vaping. And disagree with his assertion at 3:55 mark that you need not worry about non-vapers getting SHV when outside. The obvious point here is that it dissipates better, but with wind in effect (even slight breeze), it is arguably worse, as you the vaper have no idea where it is being dissipated to. Whereas indoors, no wind, and space that has nobody within 8 feet of you in any direction, you know. Unless it's your first week of vaping, you know.
The diatribe in last minute of vid is from my politically aware perspective, naive. As whole video is him struggling with coming to terms with respectful public vaping, then it makes sense for him to conclude in the way he did, but it is naive.
Again, roll over on public vaping of the indoor kind, and the outdoor kind or vape shop kind will be easy to roll vapers over on, especially as the notions can be used to substantiate same logic. Again, I'm glad to do that here on discussion forum with all those vapers who feel it is 'totally okay' for outdoor vaping and have attitude of 'all bets are off.'
If you don't have clue of what indoor vaping of the respectful kind actually looks like, nor have the experience, then perhaps you are not the right person to be speaking on this topic.
Clueless people just freak out when they see something that looks like "smoke" in a public building. I was in the food market earlier vaping while waiting in line. One of the redneck cashiers almost broke his neck to approach me. By the time he got to me he didn't say a word, not because I look intimidating, I don't think I do....just ignore the clueless and keep vaping
It's kind of obnoxious to be standing on line at the grocery store vaping. Things like this do not help the cause. You really couldn't wait till you got outside?
Jman8.... "Disagree with this."
And... it is completely your right to disagree.
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.
And... it is completely your right to disagree.
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.
Oh, btw, the same non-vaper who gave me the minor complaint when I was vaping playing cards... he has since asked me 6 times to provide him with a fresh device that night so he can vape on it. Again, this was only person out of 8 guys that complained and expressed that his complaint was minor and only occurred to him once in awhile. He has since vaped while playing cards with me about 5 times. So hard to say he is non-vaper, but as he doesn't own a device and never has purchased vaping products, also hard to categorize him as a vaper.
It's all about self control. There's no need to vape while in Wal Mart or Target or the library.
But there is a desire to.
There's no need to vape, period. You weren't born to vape. If you feel otherwise, go talk to an actual scientist and I'd love to hear how that dialogue goes.
I vape in Wal Mart or other indoor places with respect routinely. Because I enjoy vaping. I'm batting 1.000 in my indoor vaping experience, which means I vape indoors and to date, have not been asked not to.
I "desire" a lot of things but it doesn't mean I do them. Self control.
Vaping is a privilege not a given right.
Vaping is a privilege not a given right.
Personally, I don't want the attention. I waited to smoke when I got outside so I'll wait to vape too, but that's just me.
This thread should be closed. Lol. It's going to turn into a schoolyard scrum soon. Vape where you like everyone. happy trails.
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