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[Sugar_and_Spice]

And just to add Letitia i do the same at the moment with mixing a steeper or two and going with a snv for right away vaping. I am finding though that the SnV's are all really steepers but they are ones that taste good straight away. I am finding also that the SnV often taste worse than when just mixed in only a few days....so this is my point they are really incomplete works in progress that happen to taste nice initially.

Yes and no. LOL

If you buy what is known as a 1 shot flavor(meaning already mixed ingredients by the vendor) they are intended to steep very quickly, some right away, some within a couple of days.

However, if its a mix you do totally yourself is when your scenario would apply.

And while on the subject.... I find fruit/candy/tea flavors hold up much more than those with creamy type flavors. If I find a fruit flavor/candy/tea that I know I will vape lots of, I do make a bigger bottle and stick it in the fridge, only to be brought to room temp when filling smaller bottles. This has been an overwhelming success for me and lasts for a year or so, maybe longer(don't know as I haven't made so much that they would last that long). Creamy types tend to keep developing until they are very dark and the flavor does fade a little. Some can be salvaged, others not so much. Others swear that room temps are ok for keeping mixes/flavors but my experience does not agree. I have a 3 month old cheesecake flavor(PUR) mix that I forgot about in my kitchen cabinet and it taste like a watery mix now with no flavor I even can detect. Granted it was a small 15ml bottle but still tends to prove my case.

As always the above is just my opinion and experience, YMMV.

 

[charlie1465]

Yes and no. LOL

If you buy what is known as a 1 shot flavor(meaning already mixed ingredients by the vendor) they are intended to steep very quickly, some right away, some within a couple of days.

However, if its a mix you do totally yourself is when your scenario would apply.

This is exactly what I was talking about. I've just started DIY and don't intend to vape another store bought mix.

And while on the subject.... I find fruit/candy/tea flavors hold up much more than those with creamy type flavors. If I find a fruit flavor/candy/tea that I know I will vape lots of, I do make a bigger bottle and stick it in the fridge, only to be brought to room temp when filling smaller bottles. This has been an overwhelming success for me and lasts for a year or so, maybe longer(don't know as I haven't made so much that they would last that long). Creamy types tend to keep developing until they are very dark and the flavor does fade a little. Some can be salvaged, others not so much. Others swear that room temps are ok for keeping mixes/flavors but my experience does not agree. I have a 3 month old cheesecake flavor(PUR) mix that I forgot about in my kitchen cabinet and it taste like a watery mix now with no flavor I even can detect. Granted it was a small 15ml bottle but still tends to prove my case.

This is really useful info..thanks. I have some current steepers (6) 30ml each and the majority have a mixture of creams and fruits so I'd better to some early tests as we go I think. So are you saying that even the commercial cream mixes are going to go bad if kept for too long??
At the mo i'm vaping a adapted mother's milk clone and its around the 5th day and the strawberry has really faded Juicy S (FA) Red touch (FA). Mind you thereis some custard in there so obviously that's getting thicker. I'm also not sure how good my tastebuds are these days....they get worse as you get older

As always the above is just my opinion and experience, YMMV.

 

[stols001]

Some quick faders like rhubarb are worth my time to deal with. Seriously, I guess I could "shop around" my rhubarb but the thing is, I have a bunch of it and while it fades rapidly, it's totally worth my time FOR THE TASTE to add more or add it later and etc. I mean, other flavor faders I don't want to deal with AS MUCH although I will, and I'm sure there is SOME variance among manufacturers but flavors that tend to fade will FAIRLY often do so across manufacturer.

I mean... Like the whole point of DIY is that it is customizable and I can dig out my rhubarb and add more.

Anna

 

[charlie1465]

Some quick faders like rhubarb are worth my time to deal with. Seriously, I guess I could "shop around" my rhubarb but the thing is, I have a bunch of it and while it fades rapidly, it's totally worth my time FOR THE TASTE to add more or add it later and etc. I mean, other flavor faders I don't want to deal with AS MUCH although I will, and I'm sure there is SOME variance among manufacturers but flavors that tend to fade will FAIRLY often do so across manufacturer.

I mean... Like the whole point of DIY is that it is customizable and I can dig out my rhubarb and add more.

Anna

I will try and get into that way of thinking with my Lemon sicily (FA)!! So while i'm on the subject of lemon how is it that we can have a super zingy lemon commercial vape. I had a 30ml bottle a few years ago and it certainly lasted for a couple of months and was just as zingy. If you can point me towards a recipe for this type of strong fruit vape please do?

 

[dc99]

I will try and get into that way of thinking with my Lemon sicily (FA)!! So while i'm on the subject of lemon how is it that we can have a super zingy lemon commercial vape. I had a 30ml bottle a few years ago and it certainly lasted for a couple of months and was just as zingy. If you can point me towards a recipe for this type of strong fruit vape please do?

Most lemons do fade. If your looking for one that doesnt fade much try FE lemon.

 

[charlie1465]

Most lemons do fade. If your looking for one that doesnt fade much try FE lemon.

Is that Flavour Express??

 

[dc99]

Is that Flavour Express??

Yes. It is a little more peely or rindy(if that makes sense) compared to lemon Sicily but its good

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

@charlie1465,

"This is exactly what I was talking about. I've just started DIY and don't intend to vape another store bought mix"


I have not used store bought juice since early in 2011.


"This is really useful info..thanks. I have some current steepers (6) 30ml each and the majority have a mixture of creams and fruits so I'd better to some early tests as we go I think. So are you saying that even the commercial cream mixes are going to go bad if kept for too long??
At the mo i'm vaping a adapted mother's milk clone and its around the 5th day and the strawberry has really faded Juicy S (FA) Red touch (FA). Mind you thereis some custard in there so obviously that's getting thicker. I'm also not sure how good my tastebuds are these days....they get worse as you get older"



I did not used to think so, until I found that the PUR cheesecake mix I did stayed at room temp for 3 months. All it did was sit in the dark in a closed cabinet so it seems so. But later today I am going to see if it is fixable. It could be that is has finished steeping and is now over flavored severely limiting the ability to taste it.

If over-flavored has not been mentioned to you, it is when you use way too much flavor and cannot taste the juice or the flavor in a vape. As others have posted steeping can continue to develop the flavors even when we think it tastes ok to vape and move it to the 'ready to vape pile'. This is why @IDJoel is so detailed in his description of how he does steeping and testing.


I do NOT think you have anything to worry about at this point in your stages of mixing. But yes, even store bought will eventually go bad, when they go bad is determined by how they are stored and several other factors like heat, light etc. And your ability of tasting them.

LOL, your taste buds should have started healing when/if you stopped smoking cigarettes. How abused they are only you know.......[/QUOTE]

 

[Letitia]

And just to add Letitia i do the same at the moment with mixing a steeper or two and going with a snv for right away vaping. I am finding though that the SnV's are all really steepers but they are ones that taste good straight away. I am finding also that the SnV often taste worse than when just mixed in only a few days....so this is my point they are really incomplete works in progress that happen to taste nice initially.

Snv is usually made with high % so is overpowering after a steep. I tend to stick with faders and quick steep creams for snv and usually only mix 15ml.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Snv is usually made with high % so is overpowering after a steep. I tend to stick with faders and quick steep creams for snv and usually only mix 15ml.

Another yes and no. If you follow how your flavors age you can then gauge what to mix for a longer steep to arrive at the desired flavor long term. If you start a snv @ 10% but later becomes way too strong, you can always start a new mix at half that amount......but you have to wait longer for it to steep to where you like it. As with a lot of DIY its a trade off and a learning curve. No flavors are created equally as each has its own uniqueness to it.
And over time as your own taste buds heal(this also takes a while) you may find what you love today doesn't taste the same to you in a year or so....

 

[IDJoel]

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[charlie1465]

Snv is usually made with high % so is overpowering after a steep. I tend to stick with faders and quick steep creams for snv and usually only mix 15ml.

This might suit me. So which are the quick steep creams as apposed to the long steep. I know that the custards and bavarian take some time, I have fresh cream (FA), sweet cream (CAP), Dairy milk (TFA), bavarian cream (TFA) and (FW), creamy yoghurt (CAP), and various cheesecakes and FA marshmallow??

 

[Letitia]

I use these for snv. Usually let them sit for 3 days before vaping.
FA fresh cream
FA Vienna Cream
TFA vanilla swirl
Purilum NY cheesecake

 

[DeloresRose]

No I get that it is what it is but I am just trying to understand how it works by say applying logic on a finished product basis.....so on a long steep. I think that what we are saying here is that we quick vape a juice with a fading fruit because we like the taste and WE JUST CAN but i see the stable juice after a long steep test a true juice. So in other words i'm probably not ever going to choose the former for my all day vape because obviously that mix needs to be made up in quantity and be stable....hope that makes sense.

I’m not a huge fan of faders for that reason. But I do Jones for them occasionally. Being lazy, I like juices I can mix up a large batch of that will be stable pretty much indefinitely. Most of my current juice is such. But vanilla, cream, and so on also mostly can sit and be stable as long as needed.

It’s no great hardship for me - or most mixers- to pop a little fruit in a well steeped vanilla. Some of your non diy friends may not want to do that, I get that, but even they could manage we’re they willing. Otherwise, they’ll have to let ya know when they need some, and you can mix it then, maybe a week’s worth, it should stay tasty that long.

 

[charlie1465]

Another yes and no. If you follow how your flavors age you can then gauge what to mix for a longer steep to arrive at the desired flavor long term. If you start a snv @ 10% but later becomes way too strong, you can always start a new mix at half that amount......but you have to wait longer for it to steep to where you like it. As with a lot of DIY its a trade off and a learning curve. No flavors are created equally as each has its own uniqueness to it.
And over time as your own taste buds heal(this also takes a while) you may find what you love today doesn't taste the same to you in a year or so....

Yes this is what i've been thinking. The SnV that I've been vaping this week started off with superb flavour but now it doesn't taste of much (6 day) My thinking was exactly what you have been saying eg to try it at a much lower %. This one started at 24% total which is very high I know. So i'm going to try mixing at the same ratio but at much less %. Now important question...if you have a mix that tastes fantastic straight away but then doesn't like a steep (just like above example) is it correct that merely reducing the % but at the same ratio will end up with a steeper that when finished tastes like it did at the higher ratio when as a SnV??? NB. READ THIS CAREFULLY

 

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Thank you....I wondered how others were doing this!! Much appreciated

 

[Letitia]

Yes this is what i've been thinking. The SnV that I've been vaping this week started off with superb flavour but now it doesn't taste of much (6 day) My thinking was exactly what you have been saying eg to try it at a much lower %. This one started at 24% total which is very high I know. So i'm going to try mixing at the same ratio but at much less %. Now important question...if you have a mix that tastes fantastic straight away but then doesn't like a steep (just like above example) is it correct that merely reducing the % but at the same ratio will end up with a steeper that when finished tastes like it did at the higher ratio when as a SnV??? NB. READ THIS CAREFULLY

If you reduce the same percentage of all flavors the same amount you should get the same notes. The calculator I use on elr let's me reduce flavor percentages equally. I have a couple recipes I enjoy that about every other mix I reduce by .5 or .75 across the board.

 

[Letitia]

This might suit me. So which are the quick steep creams as apposed to the long steep. I know that the custards and bavarian take some time, I have fresh cream (FA), sweet cream (CAP), Dairy milk (TFA), bavarian cream (TFA) and (FW), creamy yoghurt (CAP), and various cheesecakes and FA marshmallow??

Forgot to mention that I use these creams at the same percentage for snv and steepers. It is just the fruit I bump for snv.

 

[charlie1465]

I’m not a huge fan of faders for that reason. But I do Jones for them occasionally. Being lazy, I like juices I can mix up a large batch of that will be stable pretty much indefinitely. Most of my current juice is such. But vanilla, cream, and so on also mostly can sit and be stable as long as needed.

I completely agree....i'm lazy too or is it just common sense

It’s no great hardship for me - or most mixers- to pop a little fruit in a well steeped vanilla. Some of your non diy friends may not want to do that, I get that, but even they could manage we’re they willing. Otherwise, they’ll have to let ya know when they need some, and you can mix it then, maybe a week’s worth, it should stay tasty that long.

So I guess what we are saying here is that my recent SnV this week should have been made up as a steeper with just the creams and then had the strawbs added just before vape....

This recent mix has turned neutral in just 6 days so I think i'm going to try it at same ratio low percentage to steep for 6 weeks. Here is the current recipe...

Bavarian Cream (FW) 3.00
Cream Fresh (FA)3.00
Custard Flavour (FA)2.00
Graham Crust (FA)5.00
Juicy Strawberry (FA)5.00
Lemon Sicily (FA)1.00
Red Touch (Strawberry) (FA)5.00

Uts not an unpleasant vape but the strawberry has all but disappeared which is incredible when you think there is 10% in there. What's going on?

I'm determined to get this to a stable juice that I can leave for a month or to. So I'll probably divide each % by 3 and see what we get after a steep. It's not easy this DIY.

I'm a bit worried about my 6 30ml steep experiemnt. 1 week down 5 to go and most of those are fruit/cream mixes. I will be mixing 1 steeper each week so that by time the 6 weeks is up I will have another 6 steeping.

 

[charlie1465]

Forgot to mention that I use these creams at the same percentage for snv and steepers. It is just the fruit I bump for snv.

So if I want to make this SnV a stable steeper I may need to reduce the % at the same ratios but leave the strawbs or lower them??