Regular Atty Drippers (A Dying Breed?)

[peraspera]

^^^I'm totally puzzled because I've never had trouble blowing out any bridgeless atty from the connector end. I insert a twisted corner of a paper towel into the atty before blowing from the connector end. The paper towel works as a blotter and will actually get most of the liquid with no blowing at all. It usually takes three times with three different paper towel corners to get an atty bone dry. I have quite a few so they soak in alcohol between uses. To get out the alcohol I rinse, blow out over the sink several times without paper towels before finishing off with blowing out using a paper towel.

It would probably make Hanna cry if he knew I dry burned my Cisco specs and HH.357s after running 2.5 to 3 ml. of juice through them because I don't like the taste of dirty coils the least little bit. So far, all my attys have held up well to this supposed abuse but I can get the coils clean at 5.5 watts with two or three half second burns once the coils start to glow orange.

Will dry coils rust or tarnish? That's the only reason offhand that I can think of to keep them wet. Has anyone asked Hanna why the always keep wet rule?

 

[Mr.Mann]

^^^I'm totally puzzled because I've never had trouble blowing out any bridgeless atty from the connector end. I insert a twisted corner of a paper towel into the atty before blowing from the connector end. The paper towel works as a blotter and will actually get most of the liquid with no blowing at all. It usually takes three times with three different paper towel corners to get an atty bone dry. I have quite a few so they soak in alcohol between uses. To get out the alcohol I rinse, blow out over the sink several times without paper towels before finishing off with blowing out using a paper towel.

It would probably make Hanna cry if he knew I dry burned my Cisco specs and HH.357s after running 2.5 to 3 ml. of juice through them because I don't like the taste of dirty coils the least little bit. So far, all my attys have held up well to this supposed abuse but I can get the coils clean at 5.5 watts with two or three half second burns once the coils start to glow orange.

Will dry coils rust or tarnish? That's the only reason offhand that I can think of to keep them wet. Has anyone asked Hanna why the always keep wet rule?

I just tried that method just to see--yes, it kind of works, but I still got juice on my tongue (maybe I would have to wipe off the bottom first). Also, while it works, I tried it a few times to make sure all was out and the only reason I know it wasn't fully blown out is that I tried it through the drip end--much more came out (and that was after a few blows though the connector end).

For me, it's a bit too much to go through considering the rate in which I change flavors. Does it work, sure. Does it work to get as much liquid out as blowing though the drip end? No, not in my experience, and that to me is the goal. I am a little too .... about having as much juice out of the atty as possible.

 

[peraspera]

^^^I definitely always wipe the atty off before blowing it out from the connector end if I'm not rinsing the whole works out in the sink! However, the only reason that I can come up with for not blowing an atty out through the drip tip end would be if there is loose gunk on the coils that might end up in the stainless filler. Someone who is curious might want to ask Hanna about his reasoning.

 

[billherbst]

^^^I'm totally puzzled because I've never had trouble blowing out any bridgeless atty from the connector end. I insert a twisted corner of a paper towel into the atty before blowing from the connector end. The paper towel works as a blotter and will actually get most of the liquid with no blowing at all. It usually takes three times with three different paper towel corners to get an atty bone dry. I have quite a few so they soak in alcohol between uses. To get out the alcohol I rinse, blow out over the sink several times without paper towels before finishing off with blowing out using a paper towel.

It would probably make Hanna cry if he knew I dry burned my Cisco specs and HH.357s after running 2.5 to 3 ml. of juice through them because I don't like the taste of dirty coils the least little bit. So far, all my attys have held up well to this supposed abuse but I can get the coils clean at 5.5 watts with two or three half second burns once the coils start to glow orange.

Will dry coils rust or tarnish? That's the only reason offhand that I can think of to keep them wet. Has anyone asked Hanna why the always keep wet rule?

peraspera,

I don't know why blowing through the connector end never works for me. Doing so obviously works well for you.

As MrMann wrote, the only result I get from blowing through the 510 connector on any of the in-service atties on my eight bottom feeders and dripping-dedicated VAMO---whether the atties have been debridged or not---is blood vessels popping out on my forehead (LOL). When I turn around the very same atty and blow it out through the drip tip, I get that satisfying whooshing sound and nice blotto effect on the kleenex. Ah, that's what I want to see! Yes, I too blow out the atty two or three times into fresh sections of the tissue, depending on how much juice was left in the atty to start with. Basically, I repeat until no more liquid blots.

I never worry about rust or tarnish. Maybe I should, but my relationship with atties falls on the lax and indulgent side of my vaping rather than the obsessive-compulsive side. For instance, I understand that gunky coils are the bane of existence for many drippers, but for whatever reasons that doesn't bother me at all. I just do occasional vodka soaks and low-wattage dry burns when the Maintenance Muse shows up, as she does every so often.

 

[Jerms]

From what I've read, Hanna says to not blow out his HH atties from the DT end because.. well.. it'll blow a gasket (my words). The HH is modified to work using a vacuum effect to flow juice over the coil, which is why a person needs to suck so dang hard for them to work properly. There's a gasket added to the HH that allows for that, and blowing air through reverse to it can cause the gasket to rip, so it no longer vacuums juice properly. Every other atty I've blown out from the DT end though without issue.

I've heard the reason to keep the atty wet is more for the wick than the wire. Many come dry, but once wet they last longer and wick better if juice is not allowed to dry and harden on it (is the theory). Personally, I noticed better life-span and performance from a wick that I never allowed to dry... I think.

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[DC2]

I've heard the reason to keep the atty wet is more for the wick than the wire. Many come dry, but once wet they last longer and wick better if juice is not allowed to dry and harden on it (is the theory). Personally, I noticed better life-span and performance from a wick that I never allowed to dry... I think.

I had always heard that you are supposed to keep it "lubed" so that it doesn't rust.
I've never really bought into that idea.

Thank you for posting a reason that actually makes some sense.

I would imagine once a silica wick has been heated a few times it could become brittle if left to dry for a long time.
Is this true? Heck if I know, but at least it might make a bit of sense.

I only minored in physics, but maybe if I had majored in it I would have something substantial to add.

 

[Jerms]

I had always heard that you are supposed to keep it "lubed" so that it doesn't rust.
I've never really bought into that idea.

Thank you for posting a reason that actually makes some sense.

I would imagine once a silica wick has been heated a few times it could become brittle if left to dry for a long time.
Is this true? Heck if I know, but at least it might make a bit of sense.

I only minored in physics, but maybe if I had majored in it I would have something substantial to add.

Yeah the rust thing is bogus, Kanthal and Nichrome don't rust. I've heard the wicking compared to a sponge, that stays spongy when wet and becomes crusty when dry. I would counter that even a crusty sponge becomes a spongy sponge once soaked again, but maybe the silica wick does indeed keep it's wicking properties better if not allowed to dry.

I did all that stuff because it was important for me that my atties performed at their peak ability, which may have resulted in doing some things that really hadn't been proven to make much of a difference. If there was a chance it helped though, I did it, like adding VG before storing an atty. I didn't consider my whole atty preservation routine much of a hassle, but since switching to rebuildable drippers I sure don't miss doing that stuff.

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[vaptamist]

The rust issue is not referring to the kanthal or nichrome, it has to do with the metal mesh used in some atomizers like the HH357 or vapage attys.

Also, the original instructions for the HH were to clean by blowing into it from the connector end for the previously mentioned gasket. From what I remember, revisions have been made to it where this is less of an issue. I blow mine out through the drip tip end all the time and have had no issues.

 

[peraspera]

The rust issue is not referring to the kanthal or nichrome, it has to do with the metal mesh used in some atomizers like the HH357 or vapage attys.

I don't know what Vapage uses but at 5:42 into Hanna's HH.357 video he mentions that the stainless wool in the HH.357 is surgical grade 316L. I wouldn't think that would be a likely candidate for rusting. I've read that lower grades of stainless can rust but that surgical grade is not supposed to.

 

[The Ocelot]

I leave my attys wet due to laziness more than anything else. And as far as blowing through the connector end: I blow really hard, as hard as I possibly can, and it occurred to me that if I blew into the mouthpiece the air only had the little hole in the bottom to escape. I figured the air pressure wouldn't do the coil any good. Works for me, but perhaps not for you.

Changing flavors: I often vape unflavored for awhile in-between, but I have had good results with a Flavor Eraser. I was very surprised, but it worked.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I leave my attys wet due to laziness more than anything else. And as far as blowing through the connector end: I blow really hard, as hard as I possibly can, and it occurred to me that if I blew into the mouthpiece the air only had the little hole in the bottom to escape. I figured the air pressure wouldn't do the coil any good. Works for me, but perhaps not for you.

Changing flavors: I often vape unflavored for awhile in-between, but I have had good results with a Flavor Eraser. I was very surprised, but it worked.

Love the unflavored!

 

[y cherry y]

Also, I challenge the assertion that all atties come from the factory with "primer" on the coils.

Most don't, but Joye's sure do. They pack 'em with thick gunky stuff. I have to rinse and soak, rinse again, blow out,then rinse and dry before I can use them. HH.357's are shipped with PG/VG inside. The other popular ones, in my experience, have no primer.

 

[y cherry y]

From what I've read, Hanna says to not blow out his HH atties from the DT end because.. well.. it'll blow a gasket (my words). The HH is modified to work using a vacuum effect to flow juice over the coil, which is why a person needs to suck so dang hard for them to work properly. There's a gasket added to the HH that allows for that, and blowing air through reverse to it can cause the gasket to rip, so it no longer vacuums juice properly. Every other atty I've blown out from the DT end though without issue.

I've heard the reason to keep the atty wet is more for the wick than the wire. Many come dry, but once wet they last longer and wick better if juice is not allowed to dry and harden on it (is the theory). Personally, I noticed better life-span and performance from a wick that I never allowed to dry... I think.

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What Jerms said. I love it when he beats me to something, because we usually have just about the same take on every topic. Very handy!

 

[Mr.Mann]

What Jerms said. I love it when he beats me to something, because we usually have just about the same take on every topic. Very handy!

Jerms stays on it!

 

[Jerms]

Jerms stays on it!

He's a wonderful man. And most of all, humble.

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[FL Lori]

Pg on the attys. That explains quite a bit. Thank you. I knew vivi attys were soaked in it, depending on the supplier. Don't know why I never realized it before now. Once again thanks

 

[Mr.Mann]

Pg on the attys. That explains quite a bit. Thank you. I knew vivi attys were soaked in it, depending on the supplier. Don't know why I never realized it before now. Once again thanks

Empire Mods (my favs for this kind of atty), Ahlusion, Roar and some Cisco Spec/Aero attys (among several other vendors) come with no primer or PG/VG.

 

[FL Lori]

Could someone tell me why the wick on this is so short? After a few hours this has to be cleaned it it is gunked and flooded. Also isn't there typically a well for the juice to prevent overflow? Guess this wasn't a great idea for a beginner's RDA.
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1395702

 

[LeoRex]

Might be the wrong place for this.. but I am getting my first bridgeless atty.. a 510 I tossed in with an HHV 510 I tossed in with an HHV order so I could try some juice without having to fill my evod or tank... I am actually looking forward to it, I think it would be a nice change of pace.

But... any tips for a drip noob?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Might be the wrong place for this.. but I am getting my first bridgeless atty.. a 510 I tossed in with an HHV 510 I tossed in with an HHV order so I could try some juice without having to fill my evod or tank... I am actually looking forward to it, I think it would be a nice change of pace.

But... any tips for a drip noob?

Make sure it's wet before you push the button.