Regulated clones, where are they?

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Au contraire!

While the build QUALITY was superb, the performance lacked greatly in MANY ways.

If you're going to argue a person's point, let's keep it in perspective. ;)

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I guess I just feel quality and performance are 2 different things. Regardless of performance, I feel a mod can still be a quality piece. I don't know much about guns, but I'm sure there are guns that are considered very hi quality but don't have the accuracy or shoot as far as others.

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I like the Browning hp 35, back in the day, they held 13 rounds - more than anyone else - then other people started making guns that held more rounds, but those are like shooting a clunky two by four made of plastic. The browning has an external hammer you can actually get to as well. Ergonomics are the main selling point though for the Browning, because shooting a pistol should be like pointing your finger, and the Browning hp has the best ergonomics on the market. Wherever you point your finger that's where the bullet goes. Also I believe it has the strongest safety.

I also love provari.. Oddly, for many of the same reasons. So many comparisons could be made, and, I find it doubtful I will ever outgrow it..

When my provari dies, I guess I will look at the market then.. wonder how far in the future that will be?

There.. that's my two cents! :2c:
 
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I like the Browning hp 35, back in the day, they held 13 rounds - more than anyone else - then other people started making guns that held more rounds, but those are like shooting a clunky two by four made of plastic. The browning has an external hammer you can actually get to as well. Ergonomics are the main selling point though for the Browning, because shooting a pistol should be like pointing your finger, and the Browning hp has the best ergonomics on the market. Wherever you point your finger that's where the bullet goes. Also I believe it has the strongest safety.

I also love provari.. Oddly, for many of the same reasons. So many comparisons could be made, and, I find it doubtful I will ever outgrow it..

When my provari dies, I guess I will look at the market then.. wonder how far in the future that will be?

There.. that's my two cents! :2c:

John Browning was an absolute genius and far ahead of his time.
To this day his designs are the hallmark of firearm design.
The M2 "Ma Deuce" .50 machine gun is still used by every branch of the US military.
Since 1919. 100 years after it was designed, there is still nothing that can replace it.
 

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I guess I just feel quality and performance are 2 different things. Regardless of performance, I feel a mod can still be a quality piece. I don't know much about guns, but I'm sure there are guns that are considered very hi quality but don't have the accuracy or shoot as far as others.

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If a gun is not accurate, it is not considered high quality. Accuracy, first and foremost, is the most important quality of a gun. If it don't shoot straight it's a piece of garbage. Next it has to function properly, A.K.A. Fire when you pull the trigger. Now a gun may be considered quality and be finicky with certain ammo. Because of tight tolerances a quality gun may not like "cheap" ammo. But job 1, a gun must shot straight or it is garbage. Sorry I almost forgot what forum I was on, back to vaping.
 

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True, when you compare most China mods to a Provari, it's like a Saturday Night Special next to a Glock. Threads wear out over time, connections aren't always gold plated, and a drop usually results in a dent. That said, the price to performance ratio is good. You can buy half a dozen Chinese VV/VW/TC mods for $200.
Compared to my Brownings & Colts, a 'Glop' is a piece of Rubbish.

Saturday Nite Special? Cool rock song..
 

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John Browning was an absolute genius and far ahead of his time.
To this day his designs are the hallmark of firearm design.
The M2 "Ma Deuce" .50 machine gun is still used by every branch of the US military.
Since 1919. 100 years after it was designed, there is still nothing that can replace it.
Love my Browning Hi-Powers & Skeet guns.

Funny, Johns vision can only be realized in Belgium..
 

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Love my Browning Hi-Powers & Skeet guns.

Funny, Johns vision can only be realized in Belgium..

100 year old A5 16g.
With ancient custom rear "ghost ring" sight and 30inch barrel.
Made in Belgium.
(Authentic)
Still shoots like a dream if you can find the ammo.

And an AV Optic mod with Goon.
Works flawlessly.
(Clones)
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100 year old A5 16g.
With ancient custom rear "ghost ring" sight and 30inch barrel.
Made in Belgium.
(Authentic)
Still shoots like a dream if you can find the ammo.

And an AV Optic mod with Goon.
Works flawlessly.
(Clones)
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Sweet!.
 

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Very very nice!!
Those are worth a huge chunk of change these days.


That mod isn't cheap either.
;)
There's a guy... something Callahan. He's a Savage Firearms historian. I gave him a couple bucks, some pics and the serial number to see what he could find out. This rifle was given to my great grandfather by the members of a hunting club he owned in PA. It turns out, this particular gun was built to display in the Savage office. If you notice the flamed checking on the stock...that's pretty rare. Also the engraving is pretty extensive. He was able to identify the engraver by a 'hidden' signature embedded in the engraving. Apparently, the guy was pretty highly sought after back in those days. All pretty neat stuff.
The important thing was getting in touch with Old Western Scrounger to find some ammo. It's a Savage .303....not enfield. I was the first to shoot this rifle in close to 100 years....unbelievably smooth and not a mark on it. As far as what it's worth? I have no idea, nor do I care. Offer me a million and I'll say no.
 

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There's a guy... something Callahan. He's a Savage Firearms historian. I gave him a couple bucks, some pics and the serial number to see what he could find out. This rifle was given to my great grandfather by the members of a hunting club he owned in PA. It turns out, this particular gun was built to display in the Savage office. If you notice the flamed checking on the stock...that's pretty rare. Also the engraving is pretty extensive. He was able to identify the engraver by a 'hidden' signature embedded in the engraving. Apparently, the guy was pretty highly sought after back in those days. All pretty neat stuff.
The important thing was getting in touch with Old Western Scrounger to find some ammo. It's a Savage .303....not enfield. I was the first to shoot this rifle in close to 100 years....unbelievably smooth and not a mark on it. As far as what it's worth? I have no idea, nor do I care. Offer me a million and I'll say no.

My guess realistically?
North of $10k easy.
I wouldn't sell it either.
 

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My guess realistically?
North of $10k easy.
I wouldn't sell it either.
Dick Kennedy use to do the firearm appraisals for the antique road show. He worked at the Smyrna Gun Room which is about 45 minutes from my house. I took it over for him to look at it. He had a ball with that gun...his estimate was right in line with yours. His caveat was, if you were ever to find the guy searching for this one to complete a collection, then you can set your own price. We had a great discussion...really a nice guy.
You should've seen his face when I asked if they could drill it for a scope.....priceless.
(obviously, I was kidding)
 

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If a gun is not accurate, it is not considered high quality. Accuracy, first and foremost, is the most important quality of a gun. If it don't shoot straight it's a piece of garbage. Next it has to function properly, A.K.A. Fire when you pull the trigger. Now a gun may be considered quality and be finicky with certain ammo. Because of tight tolerances a quality gun may not like "cheap" ammo. But job 1, a gun must shot straight or it is garbage. Sorry I almost forgot what forum I was on, back to vaping.
So there are no guns ever that are not as accurate as the hi tech guns of today that aren't considered a quality gun? Told you I knew nothing about guns

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