Regulation of Vaping in Texas

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I live in College Station, Texas. It is a medium size town in the southeast part of Texas, home to Texas A&M University. Recently, the city council met to vote on imposing similar regulations on vaping as is in place for smoking cigarettes. Many local businesses have already imposed restrictions to basically ban vaping in their establishments. I personally was not surprised that such things would start happening here, but I think that many people, including our local government are focusing on the wrong thing to regulate.

I have been vaping now for about three months. For over 35 years I was a smoker. I never had an issue when the government stepped in an imposed regulations to protect others from second hand smoke. And even though I know that vaping does not pose any harm to others, I don't have a problem with not subjecting others to my second hand vapors.

What I think the government needs to take a very hard look at is the mods and batteries that are imported in to this country. I have found that the majority of the regulated devices and non-regulated mechanical mods that come in to this country are imported from China. A lot of batteries also come from China. Almost all electronics / electrical appliances, etc. sold in this country are required to have a UL listing on them. In other words, to have met testing standards for their safety. Yet, people are walking around in public with subohm mechanical devices with batteries in them, that are potential pipe bombs.

As for some of the so-called safe regulated devices, I recently purchased a Cloupor T5 50w regulated device that after using it for three days, fired itself and if I had not got the battery out of it quick, could of definitely exploded in a room with my wife and three dogs in it. I will not post despairing remarks against Chinese busineses, however I must say that many of them could care less if the devices they sell are safe or not.

In regards to juices, I do think they should be subject to FDA regulations in the manufacturing and distribution of the same. One company sent me a liter of 100% nicotine in a plastic bottle with absolutely no handling instructions. I had no idea how dangerous it is but something told me to talk with a local vape shop owner before I tried to mix it or God forbid vape it pure. If I had not, I would probably be dead right now because I did not know I could not just stick it in my RDA and vape it. As for the juices that I buy, I try to buy well known brands, but in reality, I have very little confidence in what may be in them and or how cleanly they are manufactured.

Finally, I understand that government regulation will most likely restrict our use of vaping devices and end up driving the cost of vaping to cigarette levels. I dread such a thing as much as I dread a plague outbreak, yet what is the answer? Can we continue to allow the Chinese to export devices in to our country that could possibly cause serious injury to its user and or those who come in contact with the same? As for juices, without FDA regulation, how can we be assured of what we may be inhaling in to our lungs is possibly worse than the cigarettes we have given up?
 
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Happens with everything.

Very true, but if the government had acted this way back when cigarettes first were introduced to the public, people may have shown up to the governors mansion with pitchforks and a noose. Though I think there is cause for the government to look in to vaping, they should be looking at a lot more time proven data before classifying it in the same category as smoking.
 

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One company sent me a liter of 100% nicotine in a plastic bottle with absolutely no handling instructions. I had no idea how dangerous it is but something told me to talk with a local vape shop owner before I tried to mix it or God forbid vape it pure. If I had not, I would probably be dead right now because I did not know I could not just stick it in my RDA and vape it.

I'm sorry, but this part really stood out to me.

Did you order and receive a liter of pure nicotine, or did they "accidentally" send you the wrong thing? Because that's a pretty expensive mistake IIRC, like to the tune of several hundred dollars a liter.
 

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Did you mean 100mg/ml nicotine? I don't think you can just buy pure nicotine, I've never seen any concentrations higher than 100mg/ml at any of the DIY shops, though I could be wrong on that.

As for mods and batteries, they're usually coming from two different places, and it's usually not a faulty battery that is the issue, it's someone not using the correct battery for what they want to do. Faulty mods do happen, but the same can be said for any electronic device. Laptops catch on fire, mobile phone batteries explode, etc. The key is to know what you're using, but most people aren't interested in knowing anything about the very dangerous things all around them.
 

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Did you mean 100mg/ml nicotine? I don't think you can just buy pure nicotine, I've never seen any concentrations higher than 100mg/ml at any of the DIY shops, though I could be wrong on that.

I don't think you can buy 100% nicotine legally either but I have read about some people receiving it nonetheless. However, most people mean 10mg/ml.

I know I've seen it available, but again, it's pretty pricey. Tried searching around a little this morning, but all I could find was a 50% solution (500 mg/ml) and a form to fill out for a price quote.

Still curious to hear what the OP got in the mail.
 
I'm sorry, but this part really stood out to me.

Did you order and receive a liter of pure nicotine, or did they "accidentally" send you the wrong thing? Because that's a pretty expensive mistake IIRC, like to the tune of several hundred dollars a liter.

My other hobby in addition to collecting authentic mods is building high end gaming computers. The site that I frequent most often has a vaping thread. On that thread I read a post where a guy was talking about a company on the web that was selling nicotine for $50.00 a liter. Being new to vaping, I thought he was referring to a juice called nicotine and thought that for $50.00 a liter it would be a smoking deal. Well it was nicotine alright, but not a juice. 100% pure.

When I took it to my local and trusted vape shop they asked me to take it out of their shop because it was recklessly stored in a plastic jug. The owner of the shop told me that nicotine in its purest form is corrosive and one of the most toxic chemicals in the world. Additionally, he explained to me that people have died from as little as one or two drops hitting their skin and being absorbed in to their blood streams.

I don't how true that is, but I took the liter of nicotine to a chemistry lab at Texas A&M where I live and the chemistry professor put it in a glass container and told me he would let me know what it was in a few days. The next day, he called me and told me that the fluid was pure nicotine and that if I had vaped it like a juice it would most likely have been fatal to me. The nicotine came with absolutely no warning label nor any documentation explaining how to handle, store it, etc.

When I contacted the seller through his web site complaining about him sending me a liter of pure nicotine with no warning labels and or MSDS, he told me, "what did you think you were buying. You must be an idiot who cannot read because my web site listing clearly states it is pure nicotine."

I mentioned the above incident to people because I am a highly intelligent person but I am not a chemist. I had smoked for years and new that nicotine was addictive...well at least for me it is, but I had no idea that nicotine in its purest form is highly toxic.

That' said, when I buy juice I try to buy from brands that the people I trust tell me are high quality, but at the end of the day, who is double checking the production going on at Suicide Bunny. (My favorite brand). Is Suicide Bunny a manufacturer or a marketing company contracting out the manufacturing of their formulas? And if fact they are a manufacturer, are they following FDA regulations? Are they doing proper quality testing?

I would hope so and knock on wood, I have not had a bad experience with them yet, but in all due consideration, one mistake with a chemical like nicotine could lead to someone's death. I don't want to pay even higher prices to vape which will surely come about from regulation, but when you are buying products that could ultimately be harmful to your health, including being fatal, how can you not be pro-regulation of juice manufacturing? Any thoughts everyone?
 
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Like sonic said, this is 10% (100 mg/ml) nicotine, not pure nicotine. I don't think pure nicotine can even be bought by the public.

The website clearly says that this is to be mixed down to lower concentrations and not to be used as is.

If your local vape shop couldn't tell the difference, I'ld find another, better informed shop. One or two drops of this would not kill you, period. It's about 4 times as strong as most people would be willing to vape. And, I would be careful about spilling on you because it does absorb through the skin. But, a couple of drops? That's ridiculous.

Plus, most vendors ship in plastic because it's safer. Glass can break during shipping.

Did you make up the part about the chemistry professor? Could there really be a chemistry professor that ignorant or dishonest?


So far as needing regulation: Don't you have bleach, ammonia, and other household cleaners in your home? Do you think they need to be more highly regulated?

You simply need to pay attention to what you're doing and keep things out of reach of children and pets.

Pure nicotine would have been a whole different story. It truly is very dangerous. But, this isn't it!
 
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It's all nice and good to say you think there ought to be federal regulations for gear and juice but what you don't understand is that if there is, none of the companies smaller than big tobacco will be able to afford to get their liquid approved. If the FDA gets their way, the only gear that will be available is what was available in 2009, I believe. Ask anyone who was vaping back then if they want to go back to that stuff.

I know I've seen it available, but again, it's pretty pricey. Tried searching around a little this morning, but all I could find was a 50% solution (500 mg/ml) and a form to fill out for a price quote.

Still curious to hear what the OP got in the mail.

Yikes, you can buy 500mg? No thank you.
 
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