Regulation of Vaping in Texas

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I will not post despairing remarks against Chinese busineses, however I must say that many of them could care less if the devices they sell are safe or not.

Yet Thousands of US vendors have no problem carrying them and selling them. :?:

Why blame the Chinese? They are sitting row after row, on benches, assembling stuff day in and day out that Americans crave.


can we continue to allow the Chinese to export devices in to our country that could possibly cause serious injury to its user and or those who come in contact with the same?

Like I always say, most American's homes would be *empty*, and I mean empty, without Chinese manufacturing. :lol:

Maybe it's about time the US got off their collective butts and started producing something, instead of marketing copy and fake securities on paper, etc.

I've watching the vaping industry which is projected to be in the billions and billions......why aren't US business people opening little mini factory plants and making stuff? Becuase it's easier to buy cheap stuff from China, then sell it to you for double triple quadruple. Unpacking boxes and writing website ad copy is what they want to do I guess.

You have a few cottage industries like Provari and REO who are making things and a few other small mod makers (many of whom I've seen get overwhelmed and go belly up already)

None of this is china's fault. They are working hard, those people. To fill our unquenchable desire for *stuff*.


Can they make better stuff? Sure. But there are thousands o posts asking where to get X, Y, Z the cheapest here. People shopping directly at fasttech, etc. You can't charge $1.47 and produce *quality*.

Not sure how this is some other nation's *fault* though. It goes out the door, cheap, because that is what the american consumer WANTS. That's how Walmart came into power. :facepalm:
 

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What they said. That's 100mg/ml nicotine, which is 10%, not 100%. It might be in 100% pg, which might be the root cause of the confusion.

The website clearly describes what it is, though I guess maybe they could have put the warning about not vaping it at higher than 60mg, and suggesting diluting it down to 24mg in red or something, with flashing lights. I guess in a country where we need WARNING - CONTENTS ARE HOT on our coffee cups, you can't be too careful.

I'm sorry that you weren't truly aware of what you were ordering, but that's not really the seller's fault.
 

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That one you linked is 100mg/ml (or 10% of the total volume, which is not 100%), intended for mixing liquids down to your preferred strength. :)

yes.

Pure nicotine is 999.9mg/ml. Not 100mg/ml which is what they are selling.

I don't even wanna THINK about a postal worker coming in contact with "pure" nicotine. :facepalm:
 
Like sonic said, this is 10% (100 mg/ml) nicotine, not pure nicotine. I don't think pure nicotine can even be bought by the public.

The website clearly says that this is to be mixed down to lower concentrations and not to be used as is.

If your local vape shop couldn't tell the difference, I'ld find another, better informed shop. One or two drops of this would not kill you, period. It's about 4 times as strong as most people would be willing to vape. And, I would be careful about spilling on you because it does absorb through the skin. But, a couple of drops? That's ridiculous.

Plus, most vendors ship in plastic because it's safer. Glass can break during shipping.

Did you make up the part about the chemistry professor? Could there really be a chemistry professor that ignorant or dishonest?


So far as needing regulation: Don't you have bleach, ammonia, and other household cleaners in your home? Do you think they need to be more highly regulated?

You simply need to pay attention to what you're doing and keep things out of reach of children and pets.

Pure nicotine would have been a whole different story. It truly is very dangerous. But, this isn't it!

What he sent me was not what was in that advertisement. I simply linked it to show how I ended up with something other than what I thought I was purchasing. I did in fact have it tested and it did in fact come in just a hair under 1000%. What I thought I was purchasing is what he shows in his listing, what he ended up shipping was a whole other product, ie, pure nicotine.
 
What they said. That's 100mg/ml nicotine, which is 10%, not 100%. It might be in 100% pg, which might be the root cause of the confusion.

The website clearly describes what it is, though I guess maybe they could have put the warning about not vaping it at higher than 60mg, and suggesting diluting it down to 24mg in red or something, with flashing lights. I guess in a country where we need WARNING - CONTENTS ARE HOT on our coffee cups, you can't be too careful.

I'm sorry that you weren't truly aware of what you were ordering, but that's not really the seller's fault.

I agree with you 100%. However, I did not get what I ordered. What he sent me was pure nicotine. I am sorry to everyone for not making that clearer in the initial post. I only liked to his site to show where it came from and how you can order one thing and end up with something that should of never been shipped to me. That is the point I have been trying to convey, but unfortunately, not being a professional writer, I obviously did not get that message across to others.
 

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One company sent me a liter of 100% nicotine in a plastic bottle with absolutely no handling instructions. I had no idea how dangerous it is but something told me to talk with a local vape shop owner before I tried to mix it or God forbid vape it pure. If I had not, I would probably be dead right now because I did not know I could not just stick it in my RDA and vape it.

seriously dude ... you bought a liter of 100mg nicotine without knowing what it is or what it is supposed to be used for? ... and you also thought you could vape 100mg nicotine in a dripper?

Where did you learn the basics of vaping ... or dripping for that matter?

I do not know of any 100mg nicotine suppliers who do not post warnings about their nicotine ... warnings that state both how toxic it is and also warnings that it must be diluted before use.

where'd you get this unmarked nicotine from?

Edit: OK, I see it was MFS ... so, you are saying MFS sent you 100% nicotine instead of 10%?

that's some serious allegations you have posted ... and personally, I have a hard time believing that part of the story.
 
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MFS does sell 99% nic base, in 2.5 liter bottles, for $700, so that's a pretty odd ___ up. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but it's a little hard to. Was the bottle labeled as 997mg/ml nicotine base? Or are you saying there was absolutely no label at all?

Did you contact them about this mistake? What did they say? My curiosity has been peaked.
 

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MFS does sell 99% nic base, in 2.5 liter bottles, for $700, so that's a pretty odd ___ up. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but it's a little hard to. Was the bottle labeled as 997mg/ml nicotine base? Or are you saying there was absolutely no label at all?

Did you contact them about this mistake? What did they say? My curiosity has been peaked.

I had no idea they sold that!!! How would it have ended up in a 1 liter bottle? According to the website, you have to contact them in advance and make arrangements to buy nic at that strength. There should have been no way for this to happen.

But, I am curious now. Where is the bottle they sent right now? Was the bottle a 1 liter bottle or a 2.5 liter bottle?

I'm hoping this is just a misunderstanding. I really, really hope you're wrong.
 

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I had no idea they sold that!!! How would it have ended up in a 1 liter bottle? According to the website, you have to contact them in advance and make arrangements to buy nic at that strength. There should have been no way for this to happen.

But, I am curious now. Where is the bottle they sent right now? Was the bottle a 1 liter bottle or a 2.5 liter bottle?

I'm hoping this is just a misunderstanding. I really, really hope you're wrong.

That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just highly improbable from what I can gleam from the web. A highly reputable vendor making such a serious mistake, sending out a product in a container that it doesn't normally come in, at 1/7th the cost of what it should have been, without proper labeling. Something doesn't add up. And if it wasn't properly labeled, how did anyone know to test it?
 
Regardless of what you find hard to believe, I ordered what I thought was juice and ended up with a liter bottle full of pure nicotine. I only started vaping a couple of months ago and even though I have learned a lot in a short time, there are still a lot of things I don't know. I did not start this thread to smash MSF, though I should have some animosity towards them for how stupid they talked to me when I complained about what they sent me. I do realize what size container it is suppose to come in. I also realize how expensive it is. They made a mistake, pure and simple. I doubt very seriously that they did it on purpose. Please lets get back on track to the whole point of this thread which is I am a proponent for regulations that will help to ensure peoples safety who vape.
 

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Regardless of what you find hard to believe, I ordered what I thought was juice and ended up with a liter bottle full of pure nicotine. I only started vaping a couple of months ago and even though I have learned a lot in a short time, there are still a lot of things I don't know. I did not start this thread to smash MSF, though I should have some animosity towards them for how stupid they talked to me when I complained about what they sent me. I do realize what size container it is suppose to come in. I also realize how expensive it is. They made a mistake, pure and simple. I doubt very seriously that they did it on purpose. Please lets get back on track to the whole point of this thread which is I am a proponent for regulations that will help to ensure peoples safety who vape.

Ok, we'll just ignore that for now, and say you had a bad experience with a vendor, and didn't get what you expected.

As for regulations, in theory they would be good. It would be good if all equipment were inspected to make sure that it meets some minimum safety standard. It would be good if vendors listed the ingredients in their juices, and that someone were checking on those ingredients.

The problems arise when you start trying to implement those regulations. So far the government's(FDA) response has been to first, try to ban it outright, then now try to regulate it out of existence, or at least into the hands of their friends in the Tobacco industry.

One of the main problems is that no one with the power truly understands what it is yet, heck, we're still figuring all that out ourselves. The only thing regulation at this point would accomplish is to stifle the industry.
 

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What I thought I was purchasing is what he shows in his listing, what he ended up shipping was a whole other product, ie, pure nicotine.

Regardless of what you find hard to believe, I ordered what I thought was juice and ended up with a liter bottle full of pure nicotine. . . . . . . . Please lets get back on track to the whole point of this thread which is I am a proponent for regulations that will help to ensure peoples safety who vape.

First, you need to get your story straight. Did you intend to purchase what he shows in his listing (100 mg/ml nicotine)? Or, did you order what you thought was e-liquid ready to vape?

Like I asked before, where is the bottle? I would love to see it. Especially since you can't seem to keep your story straight and insist on hysterics and regulations.

Is this a case of 'The ends justify the means'? Or, are you just being a little emotional and need to slow down a little and start again?
 

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Now back on topic.

I have been vaping now for about three months. For over 35 years I was a smoker. I never had an issue when the government stepped in an imposed regulations to protect others from second hand smoke. And even though I know that vaping does not pose any harm to others, I don't have a problem with not subjecting others to my second hand vapors.

I do have an issue with government imposing excessive restrictions on smoking/second hand smoke. I, of course, don't agree with restrictions on smoking outdoors (which is nonsensical). I also disagree with restrictions indoors except for when the property owner does not want smoking on his premises or when a business is so small that they cannot afford to supply proper space and ventilation to handle the smoke.

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What I think the government needs to take a very hard look at is the mods and batteries that are imported in to this country.

Most electronics come from overseas. I have no issue with minimal standards. As long as the standards have nothing to do with devices as tobacco products or as smoking cessation products. Just the same minimal standards any other product has to uphold, without the prejudice associated with what they are being used for.

Many of the products that we use everyday can be very dangerous if misused. The government can't/has no right to control some things. Should we outlaw all forks and knives?

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In regards to juices, I do think they should be subject to FDA regulations in the manufacturing and distribution of the same.

I see no problem with reasonable safety/cleanliness requirements similar to what any other product/business has. However, if treated as a special case and associated with the demon tobacco or if considered medical devices, the controls would be excessive and unreasonable.
 
@DancingHeretik I agree with a lot of things you say. However, you cannot put a Chinese knock off battery or mod in the same category as you would a fork or knife. When I first started vaping, I purchased an Itazte SVG. I still have that mod to this day and have had absolutely no problem with it other than I have to turn it off occasionally to reset it as the logic goes screwy on it. I also purchased a Cloupor T5. The third day I owned it, I sat it down on a counter in my favorite vape store in College Station and went to take a leak. When I came back, the owner of store was frantically trying to get the battery out of it, because the mod freightrained (fired itself and locked in the firing position). When he pulled the battery out, it was very hot and venting. Thankfully, it was an authentic high discharge Sony C5 battery.

When I contacted Cloupor, they were less than helpful, giving me a bunch of placating talk but doing nothing to address the problem. I work in China four months out of the year, so I contacted some friends of mine to look in to Cloupor. What I found out was very disturbing. Cloupor is three men and a woman who have a small office in the slums of Shenzen China. A company in the same providence, Greenleaf, actually makes the T5. One of their engineers use to work for me and confided to me that they had informed Cloupor that the circuit board design they provided for the T5 was junk. It will not stand up to the voltage that the T5 operates at because Cloupor refuses to use adequate capacitors in lieu of the junk they specified in their design. Greenleaf will build anything someone is willing to pay them to build in quantity.

There are some interesting facts that you may or may not be aware of. Most of the regulated mods that enter this country slip by customs because their paperwork is often prevaricated. For instance, the replacement I finally received from Cloupor after putting considerable heat on them, arrived with a manifest indicating that it was an 'engineering sample.' I have had some long talks with customs officials in the port of Houston; I often have to deal with when shipping packaing and processing equipment to our plants in India and China. From what I have been told, many of them have already been banned but it is almost impossible for them to intercept the majority of them.

Finally, I am not a proponent for more government regulation. In fact, at the risk of sounding like a pessimist, I truly believe that my safety and that of other Americans is of little concern to our government. Additionally, I truly believe that everything comes down to money with our government and that regulations / laws / statutes (whatever you may want to refer them to) are only enacted to either make an official and or his supporters richer or to pave the way for the same to make money in the future. I have no doubt that if regulations are imposed on vape mods and juice that we will end up paying dearly for this wonderful pleasure. However, without some kind of regulations imposed, mistakes like sending out a liter of pure nicotine to someone and or maybe the next T5 that decides to self fire and lock, will explode, causing someone or some people serious injuries.
 
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