Released chemicals

[martha1014]

What chemical are released in the vapor. What chemical are released when you dry burn an atomizer.

Nitrous acid mixed with nicotine creates a film on objects which can be dangerous.

 

[Katmar]

What chemical are released in the vapor. What chemical are released when you dry burn an atomizer.

Nitrous acid mixed with nicotine creates a film on objects which can be dangerous.

Martha,
There is an entire thread addressing this:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69390-third-hand-vapor-causes-cancer.html

 

[PlanetScribbles]

tobacco tar mixed with nicotine creates a film 1000 times more dangerous.
I thought we had grasped the concept of harm reduction on here? No-one has ever made claim that vaping is 100% safe. I am just happy to accept the vastly reduced risk.

 

[Marctwo]

Some of us have put tobacco behind us and would like to discuss the safety issues of vaping alone.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

Some of us have put tobacco behind us and would like to discuss the safety issues of vaping alone.

Well, i'm a little sick of hearing about how dangerous vaping is
Conversation on skin allergies is one thing, but this is complete supposition.

 

[Marctwo]

Well I'm a little sick of every time someone has a vaping related concern they are told "it's safer than smoking and if you don't like it don't do it".

 

[martha1014]

There are just too many things that can cause cancer why would we worry about an ecig.

The complete list of things that give you cancer

 

[Marctwo]

lol: Good link Martha.

 

[miss MiA]

Tobacco tar mixed with nicotine creates a film 1000 times more dangerous.

And iirc, it turned out that the study's result was 'encouraged' via a concentration of nitrous acid something like 15x higher than would actually ever be present 'naturally' -- and then furthermore only applied to spaces with un-vented gas appliances.

Such pre-determined, misleading outcomes get very hard to take... Especially knowing that many will automatically give them too much credibility on their faces. That's another reason why, for those who see frustration sometimes. It's not just that some folks want to discuss that stuff, sometimes it's that one wonders if any attempt was made first to look for existing exposure of the flaws and biases that very likely existed in such a report/study, before re-sounding or perpetuating whatever alarm resulted. Or if not, ok, but it could at least be broached in a more objective tone than it sometimes is. The first thing I think of when I read/hear any kind of alarming news about a substance or product is, 'wonder IF that finding actually is sound, and applicable in the way/to the extent they seem to be insinuating. Maybe I'll look into it (if it seems relevant to me or mine) but until or unless I do, I'll be leaving at least a small grain of salt there.'

 

[JohnnyVapor]

Some of us have put tobacco behind us and would like to discuss the safety issues of vaping alone.

But you haven't put tobacco behind. The nicotine in your e-liquid is almost certainly extracted from tobacco.

Well I'm a little sick of every time someone has a vaping related concern they are told "it's safer than smoking and if you don't like it don't do it".

I'm totally with PlanetScribbles here, but allow me to state: Vaping is not safe. Not only are you willfully ingesting a potent poison(nicotine), you are drawing substances into your lungs that are not meant to be there, such as PG, VG, and flavorings. PG can cause irritation, localized drying, and allergic reactions among other side effects. Nicotine can cause nausea, rapid heart rate, and death among other side effects. No major short term problems have been found with e-cig style inhalation of nicotine-containing PG vapor. Long term data of e-cig style inhalation of nicotine-containing PG vapor is not available at this current time. The wisest choice at this time would be to discontinue use of your e-cigarette to await further information.

 

[Marctwo]

The context of nicotine usage is pretty obvious even for pedants out there. Or should every post be run by our solicitors first...

The OP was regarding vaping. The reply in question ignored all questions to suggest that tobacco is far worse and we should be happy with that. I didn't see any request for a comparison between vaping and tobacco - did you?

 

[ZERO]

Great, so BBQ also gives you cancer...

There are just too many things that can cause cancer why would we worry about an ecig.
The complete list of things that give you cancer
The complete list of things that give you cancer

 

[5cardstud]

Haven't we had this discussion about a hundred times now? LOL

 

[MalabarFront]

The wisest choice at this time would be to discontinue use of your e-cigarette to await further information.

No doubt. To ensure your safety, also remember to stop ingesting caffeine, alcohol, refined sugar, salt, fat - am I leaving out something?

 

[JohnnyVapor]

The OP was regarding vaping. The reply in question ignored all questions to suggest that tobacco is far worse and we should be happy with that. I didn't see any request for a comparison between vaping and tobacco - did you?

I would hazard a guess that the comparison between vaping and smoking is understood. Most people here probably came from smoking cigarettes. I can't fathom a reason that a non-smoker would suddenly decide that picking up an e-cigarette is a fantastic idea. I know I've heard from a few people who have done that, but it's certainly the exception to the rule.

I think that my response was on topic, there are still a lot of unknowns about vaping, but it is almost certainly less healthy than not vaping.

No doubt. To ensure your safety, also remember to stop ingesting caffeine, alcohol, refined sugar, salt, fat - am I leaving out something?

Unfortunately that seems the case. Everything fun, delicious, or enjoyable is bad for you in some way or another.

 

[scheherezade]

I'm not sure who would consider nicotine non-toxic, maybe only in the strictest sense of the term, but it does constrict your blood vessels as well as all of the effects lsited above, which is not particularly good. As far as the study link, it's interesting, but the greatest source of nitrous acid comes from gas, as in gas powered stoves. And yes, the concentrations were inflated for the study. If you google nitrous acid, you can find all kinds of info. You're right about the safer then cigs thing, it probably is, but why would we bash cigs and have no idea what vaping is doing? A lot of us are not willing to assume risks for our families just because we need the nic and have decided to vape.

 

[Marctwo]

I would hazard a guess that the comparison between vaping and smoking is understood.

Why??? The OP is explicitly asking about vapour and atomizers.

Most people here probably came from smoking cigarettes. I can't fathom a reason that a non-smoker would suddenly decide that picking up an e-cigarette is a fantastic idea. I know I've heard from a few people who have done that, but it's certainly the exception to the rule.

Well I'd agree... but what about it? It's not related to the OP.

I think that my response was on topic, there are still a lot of unknowns about vaping, but it is almost certainly less healthy than not vaping.

I can't find anything you've said here that was on topic. But you've done a real good job of helping to take it even more off topic.

 

[JohnnyVapor]

Why??? The OP is explicitly asking about vapour and atomizers.

Which is why I added my statement that there are still a lot of unknowns about inhaling vapor. From a pure standpoint, it is largely believed that inhaling anything other than air is a bad thing. To what extent a bad thing is not fully known as the product is not mature enough to have substantial data.

Well I'd agree... but what about it? It's not related to the OP.

It is tangentially related in that the first, most major step of harm reduction has taken place - presumably the OP has quit smoking cigarettes and has started vaping. If it doesn't suit your idea of on-topic, please feel free to ignore that paragraph/my posts.

I can't find anything you've said here that was on topic. But you've done a real good job of helping to take it even more off topic.

You mean my post stating that vaping is not safe, that the full range of harm is not fully understood yet wasn't on topic on a post about the safety of vaping?

 

[paladinx]

I dont know why people get all ...... off if anyone brings up any concerns, This is a health thread. This is to talk about pros/cons and worries about the effects of vaping.

People act like we know everything there is to know about vaping and everyone should just shut up. That is a very ignorant point of view. Its almost like these people want to live in their bubble and do not want anyone disturbing it. The more this stuff is discussed and analyzed and the safer and more tested these products become, the happier I am. They are relatively brand new products here in the USA.