Repeat Of Same Questions...Look first!

[frankie1]

It is easy to tell when you are a burden to people. I promise I will never ask a question or go to the supporting vendors and buy from them.
I see now that I am not smart enough to use e cigs, I will go now and buy a carton of cigarettes. This thread is very discouraging to me. Thanks

Steve, I am not very experienced, but I will answer anything you ask if I can. I am sorry you stumbled upon this diatribe because it serves no good purpose. I think a lot of us newbies are just plain SCARED! Scared of the product and afraid for our very lives and yes, darn it, we want answers. I have literally spent WEEKS reading these threads, but I have the ability to do that since I am semi retired. I shudder to think what happens when those who are not as lucky have to try to find information on here. So I will pay it forward and answer if I can, because I don't have years or experience, only a couple of months. But I will do my best and it is NOT a burden. It is an honor to help you as I was helped by those on here who are compassionate enough to help where and when we can.

I too get frustrated when I see someone ask a question and then argue with the person who tried to answer the question. I hope that is the driving force behind this thread. I truly hope that those of us who asked our newbie questions and got our newbie answers will pay it forward.

 

[Porphy]

Why are people reacting like the OP is personally attacking them? I cannot read anywhere in this article an attack on someone for asking a question.

The OP states many times in the original post that this is a great place to come and ask questions and that he did the same thing when he began using the e-cigarette.

Let this be clarified, one more time, so that those people reacting in knee jerk fashion and posting inflammatory comments can get this thread back on track:

The original post was stating that there is an issue with answering the same question multiple times a day and looking for a way to resolve this issue.

The OP isn't attacking anyone. In fact it is the people who are in opposition that are being inflammatory, slandering, and maligning other posters... and they aren't even in opposition to the stated argument (issue) they have contrived their own argument are are going with that.

Some people have come here, understood the argument and posted relevantly and some others wanted to interpret it as a personal attack for whatever reason even though there is no real way to translate it as such.

 

[Porphy]

Porphy you are a devilish imp! Your references are framed with negativity and dripping with sarcasm yet...you refuse to see it.

I'm not refusing to see it. I am telling you it's not there. I won't apologize for a wrong I didn't commit and I think that is what you are after. I can't effect how you feel and I wouldn't even want to try, only you can control how you feel and react to any given situation.

Did you have to mention the Korean children, your granny's experience, or how the word "over-whelmed" conveys hilarity to you?

For the first two I was using anecdotal experience to prove a point and for the later I was hoping to save people from using a term out of place and being interpreted wrongly (which I can now contend happens more than you'd imagine possible). So no, I did not have to use them but they solidified my argument (stance) better.

Your replies apparently do nothing to clarify the situation...they are simply redundant.

Yes, you are correct. Talking apple genetics to orange farmers seems redundant. You are arguing I had "X" intent. I am telling you I did not. Who do you think would know best the writer or the reader?

 

[Kate33]

Sound like there is a war brewing over here. Cut the crap, you guys should not fight here.

 

[tiffytiff]

ladyraj there is no point in us even arguing with this person.........we are wasting our time. clearly this person feels the need to get the last word in, well in this case the last word TWICE...LMAO

whatever no need to keep this post going and going and going and getting nowhere.

ATTN NEWBIES.........please feel free to ask anything you would like about e-cigs as many times as you like.

like another posted has already stated so many of us are not only willing to pay it forward , but want to pay it forward

some of us warm blooded people actually get enjoyment out of helping other people. with that said porphy feel free to fire away as i am sure you will, i'm done in this thread.... i will step aside and give you your last word............AGAIN

 

[Snarkyone]

Porphy,
I was wondering if anyone else had caught the fact that I had not bashed anyone or even bothered arguing over this yet I have been attacked throughout the thread despite mild repeated attempts at clarifying my position. You seem to be the only one that bothered to read past the opening statement of being tired of answering the same 6 questions every 30 minutes, and a way to fix it.

The fact that I still help despite my distaste for laziness and have even put up a guide to help that answers these questions was lost on the ones that just see something that they disagree with and have a knee jerk reaction and look for ways to argue. Don't waste your time and energy on these folks they aren't worth the time. If they want to feel self important answering the same 6 questions all day let them, it's not worth the time and effort to argue about it really.

Each and every one of use had to look for the same information, I don't know about everyone else but I spent days looking it over before I made a decision. The point of the thread wasn't to discourage questions it was to encourage thinking for yourself and then ask the questions. Intelligent people are aware that before you can really know what questions to ask, you need to be familiar with what your asking about if for nothing else you are not completely lost when someone gives you an answer. You will at least have a small idea what they are saying.

That's it from me, thanks Prophy I get you and I agree with your logic and your statements but I can see right now this thread could go on forever and some people will refuse to open their minds or to even bother seeing the other side of the coin. If people want to remain ignorant and depend on others to do their thinking for them who and I to stop them?

 

[Porphy]

Werd Snarky werd.

@ Tiffytiff - Appropriate name. What have I done to deserve this deprecation and belittlement? The funny thing is I agree with most of your post.

 

[surbitonPete]

Porphy,
I was wondering if anyone else had caught the fact that I had not bashed anyone or even bothered arguing over this yet I have been attacked throughout the thread despite mild repeated attempts at clarifying my position. You seem to be the only one that bothered to read past the opening statement of being tired of answering the same 6 questions every 30 minutes, and a way to fix it.

The fact that I still help despite my distaste for laziness and have even put up a guide to help that answers these questions was lost on the ones that just see something that they disagree with and have a knee jerk reaction and look for ways to argue. Don't waste your time and energy on these folks they aren't worth the time. If they want to feel self important answering the same 6 questions all day let them, it's not worth the time and effort to argue about it really.

Each and every one of use had to look for the same information, I don't know about everyone else but I spent days looking it over before I made a decision. The point of the thread wasn't to discourage questions it was to encourage thinking for yourself and then ask the questions. Intelligent people are aware that before you can really know what questions to ask, you need to be familiar with what your asking about if for nothing else you are not completely lost when someone gives you an answer. You will at least have a small idea what they are saying.

That's it from me, thanks Prophy I get you and I agree with your logic and your statements but I can see right now this thread could go on forever and some people will refuse to open their minds or to even bother seeing the other side of the coin. If people want to remain ignorant and depend on others to do their thinking for them who and I to stop them?

and you don't think there is anything to upset anyone in this post?

Unlike you I don't think it's anything to do with people being lazy or stupid...I think a lot of newbies are probably just like I was and carried away with the excitement of finding something that can get them off of smoking tobacco. The questions aren't as important as 'talking' to someone else who is sharing in your excitement. If you don't want to answer the same questions then just leave the newbies alone to chat to each other and go through the whole process of discovering the answers you already know for themselves. It's fun.

 

[frankie1]

sur: I agree with you. There are certainly some who don't want to take the time and energy to research the product. There may even be some who just really don't comprehend what they are reading as it applies to their specific situation. The point is...NONE of us know why the person is asking the question. I will bet that if anyone looked back at their own original questions..they would be very surprised at how stupid those questions appear to be NOW. I read for weeks before I began asking questions and luckily I found wonderful people who wanted to help a newbie along. I guess I am old school, but I believe that the only stupid question is the one you fail to ask!

I see the OPs point. The info most assuredly is somewhere in the threads and I am sure it would be annoying beyond belief if the OP is REQUIRED to answer the same question 6 times a day. I just wonder why the OP does so if it bothers him/her so much. I pop in, answer what I want and can and go on about my business. I wonder if the OP is employed in some manner by the owners of the blog?

JMHO

 

[Snarkyone]

In answer to your question no, I am not employed by the forum or any supplier. I am a believer in teaching a man to fish so that he can eat for a lifetime rather than just provide a single fish for a meal.

I also believe in encouraging people to think for themselves a little instead of coming into this ignorant and full of questions. I would think since this can have such an effect on one's health that intelligent people would embrace that way of thought. I am not putting something new in my body with some research first, and I am certainly not depending on answers from people in a forum that may or may not have an interest in steering you towards a certain brand or site, not without some idea of what the people are trying to tell me. You can't protect people from themselves though, so rock on folks.

 

[curmudgeonista]

Perhaps some of us noobs would like the most recent info. For example, I searched and saw tons of posts about the Blu taking months to get shipped. I was so afraid that I'd be waiting forever on the Blu that I also ordered another e-cig, a 510, to use in the meantime. It arrived a day or two before the Blu, which was delivered within a week of ordering. Stale info doubled my buy-in cost. Don't get me wrong. Now that I've got 'em, I'm glad I have both. However, I could just as well have waited until I'd gotten a little first-hand experience before sinking more money into a 2nd purchase, if I'd only had current info.

I'm also going to assume that every day there are more and more people here with new experiences to share... a newer model not covered in old comparo's, or members with recent acquisitions that expand their knowledge from where is was just a few weeks or a few days ago.

Maybe, too, us noobs get tired of thread after thread advising them that "you'll just have to feel it out and find out what's right for you". Uh, hmmm, that's all well and good, but folks considering their first purchase just want to be reassured that they are picking a decent model and buying the right stuff with it. I don't have much experience, but I can at least tell 'em I like what I have without having to get all wishy-washy.

They may be interested in hearing that model X is also a good choice along with Y, but too many threads degenerate into oh-so-nit-picky arguments between fans of one model versus another, or chest-thumping about high-power devices that the noobs really do not need to deal with just yet.

And so, a lot of the "same old questions" are being asked because the 100 previous iterations of answers to it were neither definitive nor satisfying. I'm sorry, but too many "veteran" vapers get too caught up in the culture of e-cigs, when noobs like me really need to be told one thing more than anything else... and that is, we don't need to learn it all just to get started.

You don't need to spend two weeks researching when you could be trying it out in a couple of days instead. It seems real simple to me now, but I don't see that kind of pragmatic advice for the newbie all that often... nor a simple roadmap of how to get started, such as:

1) Don't put a lot of money into your first e-cig purchase. There will be time to worry about additional hardware and exotic flavors later...
2) Pick one. Don't agonize. Just pick one. Select an e-cig from a short list of a few widely employed models that get talked about the most here and get yourself started. Minute details won't matter as much as you think right off the bat...
3) Save your money. You'll need it for add-ons and/or alternate choices once you get going and have a better idea of what you need...
4) But, do buy some e-juice with your e-cig and don't load-up on too many cartridges. You will find out why soon enough...
5) You're going to have questions once your new baby arrives. The answers to most of them ARE already available in the forum's knowledge base if you don't want to wait for some condescending jerk like Snarkyone to answer your question. If you don't find an answer easily or just want a more personal experience sorting things out, then go ahead and ask. There are also plenty of nice people here like tiffytiff, ladyraj and kristin who will be more than happy to help.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Well said curmu. plus I am going to steal your roadmap for future use...thank you and forgive me if i don't credit you as the source...

You don't need to spend two weeks researching when you could be trying it out in a couple of days instead. It seems real simple to me now, but I don't see that kind of pragmatic advice for the newbie all that often... nor a simple roadmap of how to get started, such as:

1) Don't put a lot of money into your first e-cig purchase. There will be time to worry about additional hardware and exotic flavors later...
2) Pick one. Don't agonize. Just pick one. Select an e-cig from a short list of a few widely employed models that get talked about the most here and get yourself started. Minute details won't matter as much as you think right off the bat...
3) Save your money. You'll need it for add-ons and/or alternate choices once you get going and have a better idea of what you need...
4) But, do buy some e-juice with your e-cig and don't load-up on too many cartridges. You will find out why soon enough...
5) You're going to have questions once your new baby arrives. The answers to most of them ARE already available in the forum's knowledge base if you don't want to wait for some condescending jerk like Snarkyone to answer your question. If you don't find an answer easily or just want a more personal experience sorting things out, then go ahead and ask. There are also plenty of nice people here like tiffytiff, ladyraj and kristin who will be more than happy to help.

sorry I must have skimmed over that part... I had to strike this portion of your roadmap I won't pass that on,I don't really like that type of bashing.....

 

[curmudgeonista]

Well said curmu. plus I am going to steal your roadmap for future use...thank you and forgive me if i don't credit you as the source...

Credit is overrated. Cash is better

Seriously though, I hold no exclusive on common sense. You are more than welcome and no credit is needed or expected.

 

[HaploVoss]

... some condescending jerk like Snarkyone to answer your question. ...

Pardon me, but I made a reply to Snarky's original post here as well giving my 2 cents as to why I thought noobs might be asking the same questions all the time, search engine issues, debated some stoofs with other people also, etc, etc.

However, if you will really read Snarky's ORIGINAL post from top to bottom he is very specific about encouraging people to continue to post and ask questions but that he would like to see people working on their own for the answers first a bit more rather than seeing the same repetative questions over and over again.

Personally I think people are taking this entirely out of context and making a mountain out of a molehill and now you have taken it and are making it into a personal assault. We don't need that kind of thing on here. Seriously?

Besides if you truly feel that way then wouldn't it be the 'bigger you' to just make your recommendations without bashing the other person in question?

Anyway this kind of thing where a simple post gets exponentialy more rash just irks me. Apologies and have a good day. /rant

Take care all, and seriously - let's just let this one go already for what it was in the first place... a suggestion right?

- Hap

 

[curmudgeonista]

...I think people are taking this entirely out of context and making a mountain out of a molehill...

"Can't see the forest for the trees" seems the more applicable cliché. The OP clothed himself in self-appointed responsibility for answering all those repetitive questions... and then proceeded to vent about his irritation at having to deal with them. I find that extremely condescending.

 

[HaploVoss]

"Can't see the forest for the trees" seems the more applicable cliché. The OP clothed himself in self-appointed responsibility for answering all those repetitive questions... and then proceeded to vent about his irritation at having to deal with them. I find that extremely condescending.

Then you cannot have read the entire Original Post. If you actually took that post - that personally and as condescending, then I guess I can understand why you would think anyone could be a jerk.

That post, although he does write it from a personal tense is written in such a way as to portray everyone that participates in answering questions for people. Even his second post goes to great lengths into options, etc. before the bashing began.

I even disagree to a small extent on the searching part because of the total suckage of some search engines, but at the same time do see both sides of the coin. It was an attempt to point something out to new people to try first before asking questions. Not stop or divert them from asking questions period.

For whatever reason it has created a personal intent between you and he I don't know, but I have read it, and because of your response re-read it several times to see if I can find where this is coming from and I just don't see where he is intentionally setting out to be condescending or rude to anyone.

So in this particular case I can't agree to disagree. The guy is not a 'jerk' for simply offering up an alternative for new members and giving his reasons as to why. If other people read something more into it then I guess that's life.

Take care,
- Hap

 

[Porphy]

Yeah Curmu I understand you want to vent but I can't really see how it pertains here. You started your argument off with:

"I want the most recent info" - That's totally understandable. The argument here is not that people ask questions, in fact, the OP, myself... I think everyone, universally agrees we like it when people ask questions. The OPs argument is that the same question is asked multiple times each day. That a person will post a question that has been answered 2 or 3 threads down. Going by that argument then it's obvious that if you were to ask the same question someone just received an answer to then you are skipping over the most recent information.

Additionally, your next part of the argument is to say:

"We as noobs get tired of being told in a thread that we have to 'feel it out' or 'give it time'". You did not want a wishy-washy answer to a question. - Again this is completely understandable. You want a more specific answer to a question you found in a thread. What is preventing you from stating that in the same thread?

"Hi everyone! I'm in the same boat here. Can anyone be more specific and give examples? I'm not a fan of "feelings" just point me in a direction."

By starting a new thread you hurt yourself even more because people have no clue as the the type of answer you are looking for. By adding to the existing thread people can tell what type of answer you are NOT looking for and design an answer that best fits your needs.

I'm sure Tiffytiff and Ladyraj are great people and really good at giving advice, but it's not an "us against them" argument and I don't think there is a need to make it like that. Tiffytiff and Ladyraj have made their own unique argument, believing that the OP and anyone who agrees with him are saying that "We don't want to answer newbie questions that have been answered before"....and that is simply not the case. The OP stated, numerous times through this thread that that is not the case. I have redefined, outlined, highlighted, and made distinctions all to show that that is not the case.... it still has done no good.

So, if you are of a mind to support the argument that Tiffytiff and Ladyraj are proposing you should know it has nothing to do with the intent of this thread.

Apples and oranges

We like newbies here and we like answering questions. The issue is that we don't like answering the same questions multiple times each day when the same answer is 2 or 3 threads down. It is redundant and doesn't do anything to help anyone... the answer is the same and it's already there. All it does is hurt the person responding.


*crosses fingers that this one will see the difference and understand*

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Well said curmu. plus I am going to steal your roadmap for future use...thank you and forgive me if i don't credit you as the source...


sorry I must have skimmed over that part... I had to strike this portion of your roadmap I won't pass that on,I don't really like that type of bashing.....

yes I quoted myself I must have missed curmu's entire road map though most of maybe good advise to some noobs and I would pass that on but that last part (check out my previous post) is kind of missing the point of the OPs statement.

 

[DC2]

If other people read something more into it then I guess that's life.

People are always reading more into things than what was actually said or written.

Someone comes along and says something that relates in your mind to something that bothers you, and then you wind up responding to what is on your mind rather than what was actually said. And all too often people will even take that extra step of attributing what is on their mind to what was actually said.

When you read between the lines, very often you're reading what you want to read.
And the world just keeps on spinning around like it always has.

 

[curmudgeonista]

The issue is that we don't like answering the same questions multiple times each day...

THEN DON'T ANSWER! Simple as that.

But if instead you want to sit here and ..... about noobs asking questions, ANY QUESTIONS, then that's a great way to ensure a limited and dwindling membership for this site.