Replace the wick :Is this idea worth me having a go at ?

[surbitonPete]

Hi Pete - was getting worried as not seen you around today. Thought you might be back on the analogs and hiding

Good news

Still looking ungunked ?

Hi Kinaba..no I have been vaping merrily away all day with nothing much to say.....everything has been working great....wow I really recommend turning one of those cold heat soldering Irons into an e-cig......nearly 2 days before needing to recharge the batteries and it fit's so nicely into the hand and it's just such an easy thing to convert. ..for £8 I think I will get another one..(although it doesn't come with the batteries).

 

[exogenesis]

Perhaps we need a video of 'atomization in action',
to see what's really happening.

I still think the coil only provides the heat,
& the wick provides the local e-liquid reservoiur/buffer
that gets vapourised (at least to some wick depth).


Multi-strand, well 3 strands in parallel to be precise,
with the 0.068mm tungsten anyway.


Glad your getting longer life now Pete,
& yes that's also (hopefully) part of the idea.

There'd be no wick volume that couldn't be heated
hard to burn-clean any gunk to ash, then agitation
(by whatever means) to loosen & remove the ash.

 

[kinabaloo]

Exo - just worry about the thinness - more easily snapped.

A toaster's nichrome runs red-hot happily for ages; but that is considerably thicker.

Then again a tungsten lightbulb runs white hot, although in an inert gas.

 

[surbitonPete]

I don't want this coil to burn out for a long time yet but it's going to be interesting to take it apart and have a look at it when it does....the only problem with the burn is that I have to give it a couple of vapes (that I don't inhale because it tastes foul) and then give it a blow out onto a tissue.....the juice on the tissue is a really dirty brown when I do that ... so it shows it is doing some cleaning.

 

[surbitonPete]

Exo rather than doing the strands in parallel .do you think there might be any merit in sort of braiding the wire?

 

[exogenesis]

Pete, I'm hesitant to ask .... did you ever get any H2O2 ?
it'll remove/dislodge (a lot of) the ash & after a water rinse
you'd no be wasting precious juice.

Edit:
hmmm, braiding - it'll might end up like that,
but I don't know yet.
But it'd be the same thing, if the wires in the braids were insulated from each other,
due to the oxide layer, braiding may make it physically stronger tho.

 

[surbitonPete]

Pete, I'm hesitant to ask .... did you ever get any H2O2 ?
it'll remove/dislodge (a lot of) the ash & after a water rinse
you'd no be wasting precious juice.

Edit:
hmmm, braiding - it'll might end up like that,
but I don't know yet.

Lol ....I still haven't been into town .....I really hate going into Scarborough...the last time I went I was ten mins late back to my car and got a parking fine. It was an expensive bit of shopping. .....I really want to try the H202 because it's such a safe cleaner and I know it works from all your pics.

 

[kinabaloo]

I don't want this coil to burn out for a long time yet but it's going to be interesting to take it apart and have a look at it when it does....the only problem with the burn is that I have to give it a couple of vapes (that I don't inhale because it tastes foul) and then give it a blow out onto a tissue.....the juice on the tissue is a really dirty brown when I do that ... so it shows it is doing some cleaning.

Interesting. If done often enough, this method might in itself be sufficient at removing the ash. If once a day were frequent enough (might well be), would be less hassle.

 

[exogenesis]

tbh, & not wishing to sound too worrying,
that method of mouthing the foul juice+ash (even if not inhaling)
sounds like a good way to get a concentrated dose of the naff'ness
of the gunk (solder metals n'all).

Anyway, I'm off to zzz land, if I want to feel fresh & invigourated
for another fascinating day in front of the PC at work fun-land.

 

[kinabaloo]

Fair point.

Best not to be inhaling at the time of course.

And that needs to be balanced with leaving it in place and getting a higher 'little bit' all the time - perhaps.

tbh, clean-vaping juices is the real answer

I believe Sedansa don't sell their peg-400 juices except in proprietary carts.

 

[surbitonPete]

Yes vaping anything that tastes 'bad' is always really worrying and burning that crud certainly does make it taste foul for a few vapes.

 

[kinabaloo]

If the possibility of getting sued to ash didnt exist I'd make and market the pure juces myself, call them Innocent or something like the smoothies. But even legal gray area aside, doing something that might affect heath is way too risky for me.

 

[surbitonPete]

If the possibility of getting sued to ash didnt exist I'd make and market the pure juces myself, call them Innocent or something like the smoothies. But even legal gray area aside, doing something that might affect heath is way too risky for me.

I think the ecopure is probably the juice with the least amount of anything we don't need in it that we can get at the moment .....I don't know what's in the TW unflavoured.

 

[kinabaloo]

Isn't ecopure VG though?

TW is PG

I think the nicotine preparation is part of the problem because it's mostly a tobacco soak. Beyond that the chemistry i am not familar with re free-base and bound nicotne (various alternatives, but the binder part of the molecule might not evaporate); free-base might be more potent. It's a bit complex. But it should certainly be possible.

 

[surbitonPete]

Isn't ecopure VG though?

TW is PG

I think the nicotine preparation is part of the problem because it's mostly a tobacco soak. Beyond that the chemistry i am not familar with re free-base and bound nicotne (various alternatives, but the binder part of the molecule might not evaporate); free-base might be more potent. It's a bit complex. But it should certainly be possible.

TW is a mix of both .....and although exo's test shows that it's the VG that leaves the most deposit, for some reason Ted is using ecopure and having the longest lasting mini pipe atomizer yet! It's a bit of a mystery. I can only assume it has something to do with having less 'other' ingredients.

 

[kinabaloo]

It would be interesting to test a PG/VG mix (I think Exo will do that).

VG should have killed off the pipe by now! However, pipes have stronger attys perhaps (think so). Not sure who Ted is; how long has his atty lasted?

 

[surbitonPete]

It would be interesting to test a PG/VG mix (I think Exo will do that).

VG should have killed off the pipe by now! However, pipes have stronger attys perhaps (think so). Not sure who Ted is; how long has his atty lasted?

the last I heard from Ted his mini pipe atty was still working like new after a 'week' of using the ecopure....and up until changing to the ecopure he was having the same trouble as me and finding the mini pipe atomizer's were useless within just a few days.

 

[exogenesis]

Pete, could you give me a link to where you get your minipipe atomizers ?

(& I'll get to the PG/VG mix tests soonish)

 

[surbitonPete]

Pete, could you give me a link to where you get your minipipe atomizers ?

(& I'll get to the PG/VG mix tests soonish)

Hi exo.....this is where I have been getting all my (16) mini pipe atomizers
SmokeJuice - HOME

I am reluctant to spend any more money on those..in case it isn't just luck, ecopure or burning that is giving me so much luck with this RN 4072 that I am using at the moment. The way they drape the fiberglass wicking all around the coil seems to be what makes the mini pipe atomizers work so well at first but it also provides a place for the gunk to build up.

 

[kinabaloo]

Will certainly be interesting to see how the use of a cut of VG works out
(say 48% VG, 48% PG, 3% ethanol, 1% water).

I am expecting a fair bit less than half the deposit level with the 96% VG 4% water mix. It could be anywhere from no deposit to half as much. But we'll have to wait and see.