Research claims vape nic more addicting than cig nic

[DC2]

I say that anyone who claims nicotine in vapor products is not addicting is not a person I would associate with, claim to like, or regard as honest. That's a damn bridge too far that they just crossed and I won't follow them or condone what they say. Those people are full of crap, either on purpose or by accident.

Some people refuse to even try and look beyond their own experiences.
I feel exactly the same way about them.

In other words, don't worry, I won't be inviting you to any parties.

 

[Racehorse]

The majority of ecigs do not do a good job of getting nic to the lungs. And so, at least in large part, they are also not as addictive as cigarette smoking...regardless of the form of nicotine.

No doubt, I have observed this myself. In terms of smoking cessation, when first picking up an ecig I did find it somewhat of a "challenge" but also realized that not having cigs was going to be a challenge regardless, not just from physical standpoint but psychological as well. I allowed myself some time to adjust, which did require a certain amount of tenacity and shifting of consciousness (sort of like starting a new diet).

But as time went on, I also found it quite EASY to decrease my nic level with vaping, which I never could have done with cigarettes. (never could go from full flavor to ultra-lights, for instance).

In this respect, I would say vaping, once it "takes hold" is the very best smoking cessation I have experienced. It also allowed me to "control" things, not just nicotine level, but also flavoring levels (I dilute everything I buy).

My Wife struggles with letting go of cigarettes
..... not as simple for her as grabbing a cigarette and lighting it.

Changing any deeply ingrained lifestyle habit isn't automatic.

Although I have met people who picked up a vape and that was "it" for them. (I am almost in that category, it took me about 2 weeks to "adjust" my mind to the idea, and then one weekend I went home with zero cigs and sort of forced myself into the corner......I was a little scared ........but by monday, I was ecstatic, since it took me til then to realize I could do it. ) As long as she keeps trying, you just don't know when it will *CLICK* for some it is immediate, for others days and weeks, for others they are dual users forever.

 

[pennysmalls]

My only gripes about vaping at first were that I couldn't just throw my ego/vivi nova into my purse like I would a pack of cigs. It would have leaked so it was annoying for me to have to take the time to store it properly. Also I didn't like that I had to hold it like a microphone, that was so alien. So that told me that the tactile part was the transition area I had to work on. That sounds sort of stupid now that I look back but those two things really bothered me and were what made me stick to cigs after first being introduced to vaping. I didn't want to switch but I kept going back and taking drags off of that wonderful Blackberry tobacco liquid, I couldn't stay away.

 

[bigdancehawk]

I get to pay $5 per coil head or some similar price that just adds to the cost of vaping. Bad coil head? There goes $5.

What coil heads are those? Mine cost $1.75 each (Aspire Nautilus).

 

[AndriaD]

My Wife struggles with letting go of cigarettes, if it were up to her to maintain vape gear she wouldn't (and doesn't). I do all the work and it still is not as simple for her as grabbing a cigarette and lighting it. I do understand your point.

At the end of the day she just likes the old familiar cigarette. There is always a reason to stick with the cigarette - dry hits, leaking, doesn't taste the same, doesn't feel the same, I forgot to bring it or charge it...

This seems to be a passive-aggressive way of saying that she doesn't really want to quit smoking. If one doesn't want to do a thing, one can always find an excuse not to do it. If one really does want to do a thing, one struggles in whatever ways are required to make that thing happen.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

My only gripes about vaping at first were that I couldn't just throw my ego/vivi nova into my purse like I would a pack of cigs. It would have leaked so it was annoying for me to have to take the time to store it properly. Also I didn't like that I had to hold it like a microphone, that was so alien. So that told me that the tactile part was the transition area I had to work on. That sounds sort of stupid now that I look back but those two things really bothered me and were what made me stick to cigs after first being introduced to vaping. I didn't want to switch but I kept going back and taking drags off of that wonderful Blackberry tobacco liquid, I couldn't stay away.

That attachment to the familiar form-factor is exactly why I insisted on starting with an eRoll. It worked pretty well, but over about 2-3 wks daily use, I became very familiar with all the drawbacks of that small size -- liquid, battery, and even the fact that I still had to hold it differently -- it got hot in the spot I would normally have held a cigarette in the V of my fingers, so I didn't really get that aspect of familiarity at all. After 3 wks of it, I was ready to open my mind to something bigger, if it would last longer between refills and recharges, and give me a good hit every time instead of dropping off with each successive hit.

Back in the summer [last summer] when I had to come back from my smoking relapse, I found the eRoll useful again; it sorta confused my brain, was I smoking, was I vaping... It worked the 2nd time as well as the first.

Andria

 

[Nick N]

This seems to be a passive-aggressive way of saying that she doesn't really want to quit smoking. If one doesn't want to do a thing, one can always find an excuse not to do it. If one really does want to do a thing, one struggles in whatever ways are required to make that thing happen.

Andria

That is exactly it. She knows she should, but for whatever reason decides not to. When I quit smoking all those years ago (2002) it was because I wanted to, even though she kept going. I just offer the option to vape by keeping the tank full, battery charged, and in a conspicuous area. Ultimately it is her battle and her choice. We have a cabinet full of patches and gum as well.

 

[Lessifer]

That attachment to the familiar form-factor is exactly why I insisted on starting with an eRoll. It worked pretty well, but over about 2-3 wks daily use, I became very familiar with all the drawbacks of that small size -- liquid, battery, and even the fact that I still had to hold it differently -- it got hot in the spot I would normally have held a cigarette in the V of my fingers, so I didn't really get that aspect of familiarity at all. After 3 wks of it, I was ready to open my mind to something bigger, if it would last longer between refills and recharges, and give me a good hit every time instead of dropping off with each successive hit.

Back in the summer [last summer] when I had to come back from my smoking relapse, I found the eRoll useful again; it sorta confused my brain, was I smoking, was I vaping... It worked the 2nd time as well as the first.

Andria

I often think that for many, the stereotypical vaping "journey" is important. You start with something somewhat familiar, be that a cigalike, an eroll, a disposable, even for some an ego/pen type. That allows you to see that it is similar but at the same time different, there's enough familiarity to not throw you completely off, but enough difference to see that YES it is actually different. From there, depending on the person and what works/doesn't work for them, they make the decision to move on to different gear. I think that transitional step is more helpful than we give it credit for, for some people.

It's easy to say don't waste your money on a starter kit, you'll eventually get something better anyways, but that starter kit may be the bridge that actually allows you to use something "better."

 

[AndriaD]

I think that transitional step is more helpful than we give it credit for, for some people.

It's easy to say don't waste your money on a starter kit, you'll eventually get something better anyways, but that starter kit may be the bridge that actually allows you to use something "better."

I agree! Someone just the other day said something like that, that they wished they hadn't "wasted" all that money on "lesser" hardware -- I was thinking, but you wouldn't know what you have now is better, without having first experienced worse.

One of the things I like so much about my Achilles is that I can top fill, and not have to remove it from the mod -- but if I hadn't had a year of taking the kayfuns off mods, fiddling with the screw, filling, fiddling with the screw again, then having to blow it out, I might not realize what a boon it is to be able to top fill and not ever worry about all the "vacuum" problems -- because it's kind of a pain to get the cap off, frankly... it's just less of a hassle compared to what I had before, but just as good a vape, if not a great deal better -- I was able to reduce both nicotine and wattage levels with it, compared to the kayfuns.

None of the money spent on "lesser" hardware is wasted... it's just the price of finding out what you really like.

Andria