My representatives are Feinstein and Boxer.
I'm pretty sure that's all I need to say with regard to this thread topic.
I'm pretty sure that's all I need to say with regard to this thread topic.
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I'm not much better off. I'm in Illinois.
Cannot say what I'd like, but term limits are the only thing that makes 
NY here so contacting them will be useless.
I wonder if the FDA told the ATF about this? Will ATF be the enforcement agency?
Just checked ATF.gov and they seem to only care about cigarettes being properly taxed
I wonder if the FDA told the ATF about this? Will ATF be the enforcement agency?
Just checked ATF.gov and they seem to only care about cigarettes being properly taxed
Agreed on these two. Pretty much a waste of skin.
I have turned my attention from senators to house reps. When they call me about getting out to vote, I remind them that the predicate date and deeming regs will sway my vote.
I know very little abt Homeland Security, ATF, FBI, and where their paths intersect or explicitly what they do for who.
If you have a warehouse full of goods for sale that are illegal according to FDA, I think all three would be there when the take down occurs. If they have to kick in a door, or cut it open, they might just flip a coin. They all do enforcement.
Tommy-Chi
You can forget about term limits we tried to have that issue on the ballot with 500k signatures. Judges knocked it down. We will have these people in office till either they or we leave this earth. I have been emailing to anyone and everyone and get nowhere. Don't you know that they are protecting the children? Illinois won't ban ecigarettes. They will tax them to the hilt. For years I vote against them and for years they remain. They don't see that they ARE the problem. Ok rant done.
You can forget about term limits we tried to have that issue on the ballot with 500k signatures. Judges knocked it down. We will have these people in office till either they or we leave this earth. I have been emailing to anyone and everyone and get nowhere. Don't you know that they are protecting the children? Illinois won't ban ecigarettes. They will tax them to the hilt. For years I vote against them and for years they remain. They don't see that they ARE the problem. Ok rant done.
There is one way to do it, and that is through a constitutional convention. I don't like it b/c the country has shifted hard to the left in some states and I'd be afraid of what they propose, but we may have to do it to save the constitution.
I'm pretty well stocked up. My vape goods are spread out btw Chitown and Naperville. If I keep spending $300 to $600 per month, within 6 months, I will not have to visit or order from anyone for 25 years, except to buy cotton/vg/pg/batteries. I'll only need to buy cotton/vg/pg every three to five years and batteries as needed.
If there is a case where I really want something and I can get it with Bitcoin over Internet, I might take a stab at it using FT or other site. I've got cousins in UK that can ship me anything that I really want too.
Canned responses. I'm not waiting for a reply to my reply to "Representative Niki":
My reply to her office's canned response -
Vaping needs a separate classification. It should not be regulated as a tobacco product.
There's no combustion involved and the Royal College of Physicians deems it at least 95% less harmful as smoking.
Vaping is the gateway out of smoking and shouldn't be hindered as it could save over a billion lives this century.
Vaping is not smoking.
Cigarettes are FDA approved and smoking them was responsible for over 430,000 deaths last year in the US.
FDA approved Chantix was responsible for over 100 deaths in the US last year.
Vaping was responsible for 0 deaths.
Vaping is not smoking. It's the solution, not part of the problem
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On Mon, 8/1/16, Representative Niki Tsongas <MA03NTima@mail.house.gov> wrote:
Subject: Responding to your message
My reply to her office's canned response -
Vaping needs a separate classification. It should not be regulated as a tobacco product.
There's no combustion involved and the Royal College of Physicians deems it at least 95% less harmful as smoking.
Vaping is the gateway out of smoking and shouldn't be hindered as it could save over a billion lives this century.
Vaping is not smoking.
Cigarettes are FDA approved and smoking them was responsible for over 430,000 deaths last year in the US.
FDA approved Chantix was responsible for over 100 deaths in the US last year.
Vaping was responsible for 0 deaths.
Vaping is not smoking. It's the solution, not part of the problem
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On Mon, 8/1/16, Representative Niki Tsongas <MA03NTima@mail.house.gov> wrote:
Subject: Responding to your message
Missouri U.S. Senator Roy Blunt used to send the standard canned response, but
now he doesn't bother with that anymore. He won GOP primary here last Tuesday
by a wide margin so he probably could care less about vaping.
Claire McCaskill, our other U.S. Senator, never could be bothered to respond.
Our rep would reply with stuff not related to my messages - such as there's
a food pantry fund raiser going on 100 miles from here next Tuesday at 8pm.
WTH. I didn't vote for him in the primary last week but he won easily anyway
without my support.
Sigh.
now he doesn't bother with that anymore. He won GOP primary here last Tuesday
by a wide margin so he probably could care less about vaping.
Claire McCaskill, our other U.S. Senator, never could be bothered to respond.
Our rep would reply with stuff not related to my messages - such as there's
a food pantry fund raiser going on 100 miles from here next Tuesday at 8pm.
WTH. I didn't vote for him in the primary last week but he won easily anyway
without my support.
Sigh.
My Senators are Boxer and Feinstein... I send them and Obama an autogenerated email from www.august8th.org every time I think of it with caps at the top that say "DO ONE THING RIGHT BEFORE YOU LEAVE OFFICE." Hey look... time to send an email.
This from my House Representative that recently added his name to the 2058 Bill, Tom McClintock (R) Cali. Had a really good feeling about this guy from his last term in office, getting lots of emails about town hall meetings everywhere and such. Voted for him this last election cycle again, sent him an email once, got this response. Everything should be this easy.
Dear Mr. Haktuspit (redacted
):
Thank you for contacting me regarding the Food and Drug Administration’s expanded authority for modern tobacco products.
On May 5, 2016, the FDA finalized a rule extending its oversight authority to all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, cigars, and hookah. This rule authorizes the FDA to regulate these products in the same way that it currently regulates cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. Consumers and manufacturers of e-cigarettes and cigars are opposed to these provisions, because they subject products that have been on the market since 2007 to undergo an expensive review designed for new products that have never before been marketed.
Furthermore, the FDA has usurped legislative powers from Congress to enact this rule. I adamantly oppose administrative overreach and the devolution of Article I powers, which are constitutionally reserved to Congress and Congress alone. For these reasons, I am a cosponsor of H.R. 2058, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act, which would remove the pre-market review requirement from products already in the stream of commerce.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Please visit my website at http://mcclintock.house.gov to reach me regarding any issue that concerns you or your family.
Sincerely,
Tom
This from my House Representative that recently added his name to the 2058 Bill, Tom McClintock (R) Cali. Had a really good feeling about this guy from his last term in office, getting lots of emails about town hall meetings everywhere and such. Voted for him this last election cycle again, sent him an email once, got this response. Everything should be this easy.
Dear Mr. Haktuspit (redacted
):Thank you for contacting me regarding the Food and Drug Administration’s expanded authority for modern tobacco products.
On May 5, 2016, the FDA finalized a rule extending its oversight authority to all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, cigars, and hookah. This rule authorizes the FDA to regulate these products in the same way that it currently regulates cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. Consumers and manufacturers of e-cigarettes and cigars are opposed to these provisions, because they subject products that have been on the market since 2007 to undergo an expensive review designed for new products that have never before been marketed.
Furthermore, the FDA has usurped legislative powers from Congress to enact this rule. I adamantly oppose administrative overreach and the devolution of Article I powers, which are constitutionally reserved to Congress and Congress alone. For these reasons, I am a cosponsor of H.R. 2058, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act, which would remove the pre-market review requirement from products already in the stream of commerce.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Please visit my website at http://mcclintock.house.gov to reach me regarding any issue that concerns you or your family.
Sincerely,
Tom
My Senators are Boxer and Feinstein... I send them and Obama an autogenerated email from www.august8th.org every time I think of it with caps at the top that say "DO ONE THING RIGHT BEFORE YOU LEAVE OFFICE." Hey look... time to send an email.
This from my House Representative that recently added his name to the 2058 Bill, Tom McClintock (R) Cali. Had a really good feeling about this guy from his last term in office, getting lots of emails about town hall meetings everywhere and such. Voted for him this last election cycle again, sent him an email once, got this response. Everything should be this easy.
Dear Mr. Haktuspit (redacted
Thank you for contacting me regarding the Food and Drug Administration’s expanded authority for modern tobacco products.
On May 5, 2016, the FDA finalized a rule extending its oversight authority to all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, cigars, and hookah. This rule authorizes the FDA to regulate these products in the same way that it currently regulates cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. Consumers and manufacturers of e-cigarettes and cigars are opposed to these provisions, because they subject products that have been on the market since 2007 to undergo an expensive review designed for new products that have never before been marketed.
Furthermore, the FDA has usurped legislative powers from Congress to enact this rule. I adamantly oppose administrative overreach and the devolution of Article I powers, which are constitutionally reserved to Congress and Congress alone. For these reasons, I am a cosponsor of H.R. 2058, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act, which would remove the pre-market review requirement from products already in the stream of commerce.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Please visit my website at http://mcclintock.house.gov to reach me regarding any issue that concerns you or your family.
Sincerely,
Tom[/QUOTe
Usurp: to seize illegally or by force. Perfect definition for our dilemma.
Oops Anyone see my comment? USURP:T o seize illegally or by force. Perfect definition of what is going on here. Bravo for Rep. Mcclintock
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