Restarting Vaping, thinking of Ego-C?

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

Hey, I love you too man

Yeah, "Twist" = joyetech eGo-C Twist - the first eGo-class variable-voltage device to come on the scene, a few months ago. Prior to that, going with variable voltage pretty much meant shelling out $60-$200 on a "fancier" device like an Apollo SS VTube, a Buzz Pro 2, a ProVari, a Smoktech VMax, or the like.

Now, you can get the exact same actual vape in a more affordable, more transportable, stealthier, don't care-as-much-if-I-lose-it-or-break-it "form factor"; namely, and eGo-class battery.

I say "exact same actual vape" because ... well, just that - the "actual" vape will be exactly the same, attachment for attachment, on a Twist or on a 24-karat gold plated ProVari, but the latter will give you better battery life, a digital readout, a device that might last your entire life, and has a "wow" factor that's off the charts. But the actual vape will be the exact same, as long as you're staying within the amp limit of the device by using a sensible resistance of coil. On the Twist, that's anywhere between about a 1.8-2 ohm and a 3.0 ohm single coil IMO. It has about a 2.5 amp limit, which is just fine for about anything except trying to push a 1.5 ohm dual coil at high watts.

Volts are volts, ohms are ohms, and amps are amps. The electrons flowing through the coil don't know their device of origin.

Why is it called the eGo-C Twist? Good question. It has to do with the Joyetech eGo-C tank system, but the two need not be related in any way. The Ego-C Twist can be used with a huge array of attachments. It's "just" an eGo-class variable voltage battery. The only one (AFAIK), until the arrival of the kGo VV, which IMO still has a few bugs to work out. For now, just get the Twist and some Vivi's, and vape.

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If you want a bottom feeder, you can now get VV in a Reo; both the Woodville and the Grand come in VV. But I'd still get the Twists (first), because they're more versatile IMO. Good for just about any occasion, location, or purpose. (If you get invited to a State Dinner or an audience with the Queen, look hard at that 24K gold ProVari - they are nice - (even the non-gold ones).

Now my wife wants the ProVari.....and she don't vape.

 

[John D in CT]

Now my wife wants the ProVari.....and she don't vape.

Sorry about that, man.

Hey, at least I didn't mention the Special Edition solid platinum, diamond-encrusted Provari ....

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OK, at least somewhat on-topic:

Here's a little thang from the vaults that I call "Why variable voltage"? ......

"Variable voltage lets you be Goldilocks. She wanted her porridge just the right temperature. To get a variety of resistances of coils to just the right temperature, you need to be able to control the amount of volts that your device is delivering to it (please use only single coil cartomizers or atomizers unless you have a compelling reason to use two or more coils - you'll save battery power, and IMO get a better vape to boot). Different juices also want different amounts of heat, and there are variations among "nominal" resistances of any given device that variable voltage will allow you to compensate for.

This can all be demonstrated by a very simple formula that is part of "Ohm's Law":

Volts time volts divided by resistance (rated in "ohms") = watts (heat) at/in the coil.

Consider the three heads in the Vivi Nova; 1.8, 2.4, and 2.8 ohms:

With a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, or any other variable voltage device, you can achieve any wattage you need to get a good vape, even if the "actual" resistance of the "heads" varies from the "nominal" resistance of the heads, which it almost always does.

I'd say that most people vape at between 4 and 8 watts per coil. Let's see how 6 watts can be produced with a Joyetech eGo-C Twist (or any other variable voltage device) with any of those three atomizer heads.

3.28 volts x 3.28 volts / 1.8 ohms = 6 watts

3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts

4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.8 ohms = 6 watts

A constant voltage device obviously cannot do this, so please do not buy one unless you absolutely MUST have a ciggie look-alike".

 

[greatimp81]

I can't encourage you enough to try a Twist at your earliest opportunity. Since you already have the charger and eGo batteries, one is all you need to see what all the fuss with variable voltage is about.

With VV, not only can you dial in the wattage to whatever floats your boat, you can do that with any of the three different resistances of atomizers that come with the Vivi Nova. You simply cannot do that with constant voltage.

Well I am planning on either getting a Twist, Vision Spinner (Vision version of the Twist) A VMax or and Ego-T Mod. I just have not made up my mind on which one to get. You also know if you keep the resistance steady and locked then single voltage is just fine. That is why I have not bought a VV yet. Also almost everyone I know who has a VV mod keeps it set to one or two voltages for their preferred resistance atomizer or cartomizers.

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

Sorry about that, man.

Hey, at least I didn't mention the Special Edition solid platinum, diamond-encrusted Provari ....

*****

OK, at least somewhat on-topic:

Here's a little thang from the vaults that I call "Why variable voltage"? ......

"Variable voltage lets you be Goldilocks. She wanted her porridge just the right temperature. To get a variety of resistances of coils to just the right temperature, you need to be able to control the amount of volts that your device is delivering to it (please use only single coil cartomizers or atomizers unless you have a compelling reason to use two or more coils - you'll save battery power, and IMO get a better vape to boot). Different juices also want different amounts of heat, and there are variations among "nominal" resistances of any given device that variable voltage will allow you to compensate for.

This can all be demonstrated by a very simple formula that is part of "Ohm's Law":

Volts time volts divided by resistance (rated in "ohms") = watts (heat) at/in the coil.

Consider the three heads in the Vivi Nova; 1.8, 2.4, and 2.8 ohms:

With a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, or any other variable voltage device, you can achieve any wattage you need to get a good vape, even if the "actual" resistance of the "heads" varies from the "nominal" resistance of the heads, which it almost always does.

I'd say that most people vape at between 4 and 8 watts per coil. Let's see how 6 watts can be produced with a Joyetech eGo-C Twist (or any other variable voltage device) with any of those three atomizer heads.

3.28 volts x 3.28 volts / 1.8 ohms = 6 watts

3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts

4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.8 ohms = 6 watts

A constant voltage device obviously cannot do this, so please do not buy one unless you absolutely MUST have a ciggie look-alike".

Good job John, i now have a better understanding. 1.8 ohms on the Joyetech standard batteries work fine for me. The Joyetech twist that iv'e had for a month, iv'e been struggling to find a sweet spot as a former 40 year smoking . But i'm sure when i get around to trying the Vivi Nova's that are in storage for now, that i will see the advantage more clearly.

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

If I want to try a bunch of liquids, should I use the atty or Vivi Nova/Clearomizer? If I opt for an Stardust V2 only kit (no atty), would I be able to sample liquids?

Hi hpo3r, yes you can use a Vision V2, i do it all the time. I think that in order to get a true picture, i need to vape atleast 1ml of liquid.

 

[greatimp81]

If I want to try a bunch of liquids, should I use the atty or Vivi Nova/Clearomizer? If I opt for an Stardust V2 only kit (no atty), would I be able to sample liquids?

Well the Stardust kit without atty will not function. You will need a head in the unit for it to work. However most places sell the kit with a head included. However if you want to do sampling and not use the full sized ViVi Nova I would recommend the ViVi Nova Mini. They use the same heads and differ only really in volume. The tank bodies are different but you can get the same options for the mini as the full sized. Do not get me wrong I love my Stardust units, but I love my ViVi Nova Mini better.

 

[BuGlen]

I concur with everyone else who is recommending the eGo-C Twist (with backups), charger, and ViVi Nova setup. As an addition to the ViVi Nova, you might also want to try the Kanger T2 clearomizer which many people are finding to be very good, including myself.

As for carto/tank setups, they are more of a pain to fill, but not much more once you get a technique down. Personally, I pre-fill my XL tank cartos with a syringe (about 1.3 ml) and I use a tank filler tool which makes inserting the carto and filling the tank much easier. The whole process usually takes less than 5 minutes and then I'm good to go.

 

[John D in CT]

Well I am planning on either getting a Twist, Vision Spinner (Vision version of the Twist) A VMax or and Ego-T Mod. I just have not made up my mind on which one to get. You also know if you keep the resistance steady and locked then single voltage is just fine. That is why I have not bought a VV yet. Also almost everyone I know who has a VV mod keeps it set to one or two voltages for their preferred resistance atomizer or cartomizers.

Naturally, a constant voltage device can deliver just as good a vape as a variable voltage device .... but ONLY when the exact "right" resistance is used. That is particularly challenging for a variety of reasons, one of them being the fact that resistances frequently differ from their "nominal" rating; a 1.8 might be a 1.6, or a 2.0. With VV, not a problem. And again, with VV you can use any of the three different resistances that come with the Vivi Nova, or just about any attachment you happen to have lying around..

And while I have and love the VMax, I think that anyone who has one or is thinking about getting one should also get an eGo-sized VV as well. They're very different animals, and serve different purposes IMO. I have my Twist on a lanyard, and use it everywhere. I hardly ever leave the house with my VMax, and wouldn't think of putting it on a lanyard. It's a little like using my desktop at home, and using my smartphone when I'm out and about. It's just like Grimm Green says; no matter what other equipment you have, an eGo-class VV is a great thing to have in your collection.

Instead of Twist or VMax, I'd be thinking Twist and VMax, given the modest cost of a Twist. And better yet, I'd be thinking about the Smoktech ZMax, which now has a 7th menu option that lets you select a wattage, in addition to Option 1 - Voltage Up and Option 2 - Voltage Down. Pretty slick.

ZMAX by Smok Tech

Grimm Green - Twist is a game changer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-Ol8qWPic&feature=g-all-c

 

[h0p3r]

Thanks everyone! And I see I was able to help a few people by making this thread too.

Special thanks to "John D in CT" for writing very informative long ... paragraphs!

I am ordering myself
2x EGO-C Twist (1-1000mAh;1-900mAh)
3x Vivi Nova v3 (2-2ml,2-3.5ml)
2x Cone+cover+atomizer head for dripping.

Yaay

 

[schreyer]

Hey all,

My first post, might as well share what started me off. I am using kgo t pv. I find that its a good starter kit which provides good feel to what vaping is. I've recently bought a wickless Atomiser (vision stardust ce4) to replace the original Atomiser which can't hold enuff juice to last me a day. The new Atomiser on the other hand can hold 1.6ml which last me 2 full days. Maybe you can consider this.

 

[John D in CT]

Hey all,

My first post, might as well share what started me off. I am using kgo t pv. I find that its a good starter kit which provides good feel to what vaping is. I've recently bought a wickless Atomiser (vision stardust ce4) to replace the original Atomiser which can't hold enuff juice to last me a day. The new Atomiser on the other hand can hold 1.6ml which last me 2 full days. Maybe you can consider this.

Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on getting off of cigarettes and into vaping.

In this thread, the OP decided to take the overwhelming advice to go with a variable voltage eGo-class PV, as opposed to a constant-voltage one like your kGo. (kGo does now make a VV eGo-class model as well).

The kGo CV is arguably a slightly better battery than a Joyetech CV, and I'm not slamming it as being "bad" for what it is, but what it is not is variable voltage, and since the arrival of VV eGo-class batteries, I just don't see any compelling reason any more to go with CV instead of VV. The benefits of VV are just too numerous IMO.

I hope you read this thread in its entirety - I spent a lot of time contributing to it, and many others did too - and see what you think of the suggestions made by everyone who participated in it, and see if an eGo-class VV PV makes sense to you. The cost of entry is now very low - about $20-23 for a Joyetech eGo-C Twist battery, which your charger and attachments will work with.

Again, welcome ... and happy vaping!

 

[John D in CT]

Thanks everyone! And I see I was able to help a few people by making this thread too.

Special thanks to "John D in CT" for writing very informative long ... paragraphs!

I am ordering myself
2x EGO-C Twist (1-1000mAh;1-900mAh)
3x Vivi Nova v3 (2-2ml,2-3.5ml)
2x Cone+cover+atomizer head for dripping.

Yaay

Well this post = (Good news x 2)

1 - You're getting some great equipment, and

2 - It looks like we can finally say "..." in here! Woohooooo!!!!

(Hey "swear-bot"; kiss my ...!) LOLOLOL!

 

[The vapour lounge]

Ego c twist , provoli , z-max are good devices for good taste and big vape