Riva 510 troubles

[Dingus]

Hi,

First post here, but I've been vaping for a while.

I received my Riva 510 today. So I filled one of the carts, and started vaping, but after a few puffs the atomizer stopped doing anything. So I tried the other atomizer, and it didn't do anything at all.
I had an old atomizer left, so I tried that, and it worked as expected. So are these new atomizers just duds? Anything I can try, other than asking the supplier to replace them?

I also ordered a bunch of Boge cartomizers with my Riva. I only tried one, but I'm ot very happy about it yet - they taste burnt, unless I keep it very wet all the time. I don't have this problem with my Bloog karto's at all.

Problem is I ordered both LR and regular carto's, but I opened the boxes and got them all mixes up (doh), so I can't tell which one it is that was tasting burnt.

So far, my favorite e-cig is the Bloog, but I was hoping the Riva would perform better. It might, but with the 2 dud atomizers, and the burnt taste in the karto, it seems like it's quite useless...


Thanks for any advice you can give me.

 

[swedishfish]

You really need to make sure you have enough juice in the cartomizer before you vape. Burt taste means the carto is burnt. Didn't you use cartos on your bloog? Or just the prefilled cartos?

You should be able to get about 25-30 drops in the carto depending on juice. You could do the condom method (fill the plastic sleeve about 1/2 way and push the battery end in. You should see juice start to rise to the top. Add more juice to the top, give it a really good thermometer shake, add drops slowly until it's completely saturated.

I can't help you with carts/atty.

I have to say I don't own a Bloog. My mom owns a volt so it's about the same thing. You get a good vape. But I think with a Riva with LR cartomizers you get a much better vape. You should really be able to notice it. SR cartos aren't my fav. But with LR cartomizers you should notice a marked improvement if your looking for more TH. You definitely do need to keep them wet because they are LR.

 

[markfm]

What she said

Carto first fill, especially if you have eliquid with a decent amount of VG, is critical. I tend to top fill -- Pop the rubber mouth tip off, hold the carto slanted (diagonal), fill until it is soaked, liquid just touching the center air tube, rotate, repeat.

Blow excess liquid through the mouth end, wipe the battery contact.

Put the carto on and just do a couple vapes. They'll probably be weak, but you're just redistributing the eliquid.

Then, after the first 2 or 3 puffs, top the carto off. I don't bother removing it from the PV, just hold the whole thing at an angle, add some drops and rotate, three or four times total (one complete turn of the PV).

The above should get you to a well saturated carto, good to go.
(I'm lazy, don't bother putting the rubber mouth tip back on. I rarely get eliquid in my mouth -- if you stop filling before the juice goes down the center tube life is good.)

I'm not an atomizer (atty) person, but you possibly just have primer on them. Hold a tissue over the mouth end, and blow through the battery connection end to clear any of it out, then put a few drops of eliquid on the atty before screwing it back on the PV.

 

[dormouse]

Contact Liberty-Flights about the atomizers. The Riva comes with LR attys - you have to keep them damp.

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How I fill a cartomizer (Vapor4Life for KR8 or Boge 510 for 510 which are all soft-cap w/ no inner seals and defined central air channel)

I use thin (20% or less VG) liquid or Vapor4Life WOW liquids, preferably clear liquids w/ no sediment

Filling a blank carto - I pop off the soft cap (unbent paperclip carefully in the mouth hole, not catching any wires or stuffing!). I hold some tissue against the threaded end hole. I tilt the carto and slowly drip 18 drops onto the inner wall of the carto so it slides down into the stuffing while I rotate the carto. Then I wait 15 seconds or so then I drip however many more drops the stuffing wants to soak up. Then I do clean-up. If it is leaking, I clean that up. Then I tilt the open end down into the tissue and puff hard a few times into the threaded end to clear any juice out of the central air channel (I want to see light through there). If it looks too wet above the stuffing, I gently touch a bit of tissue to the stuffing (otherwise that liquid will be gurgling or spitting in my mouth). Then since this was a fresh fill of a blank, I now let it settle. I lay the carto on different sides for 15-20 minutes. Then it should be ready to vape. If you use thicker juices than me, then you may need to let it settle longer.

As I am vaping - if the vapor gets a bit light or a bit dry or tastes bit off or the carto is getting unusually warm, I will take the carto off the battery, open it, add 6-8 drops or whatever it seems to want (I will either hold a bit of tissue against the threaded end hole just in case, or skimp on how many drops I add to make sure I avoid drips if I have no tissue). I check to make sure the threaded end is dry, give it a couple of puffs into the threaded end to make sure the air channel is clear, and continue to vape.

Note - it is easy for me to "open" my main cartos for adding juice because I replace the white end cap with a plastic or delrin drip tip (I get them at LiteCigUSA.net). So I can easily pull that out with my fingers when I add juice and it keeps my lips cool if the carto is hot.

 

[JC Okie]

You may be able to tell the SR cartos from the LR ones by looking on the bottom. Sometimes there will be a tiny (and I mean tiny!) little LR etched into the bottom of the cartos. Worth a shot....

 

[swedishfish]

You may be able to tell the SR cartos from the LR ones by looking on the bottom. Sometimes there will be a tiny (and I mean tiny!) little LR etched into the bottom of the cartos. Worth a shot....

Wow! Learn something new every day! I mixed up a box of SR and LR cartos too. I might have to pull out the old magnifying glass. I don't care about using them on my ego, but when I use my 510 I'm afraid I'll fry my batteries with the LR cartos.

 

[biffette]

i tried the Riva 901, & it was nothing but trouble for me. i can't even count how many i had to send back for replacement. also, i never could get the attys that came with the kit to work. they were just junk. know what i did? i went to MadVapes & bought a little box mod for under 25 bux. (i also had to add a charger & batteries, & another box mod for my hubby, so i spent more than $25, but still) i just loved it! so much, in fact, that for my soon to be birthday, my husband got me a RoughStack ($40 also from MadVapes, & a couple of batteries for $5 each) & i am as happy as a clam. no more Rivas for me!

i use cartomizers. i've only tried 4 atomizers, but not one of them ever worked for me.

instead of the PV being a battery, i put batteries in my PV. it's so much better!!! i'm never going back to e-cigarette batteries like KR808D-1s or Rivas. no ... way! hubby's next birthday? nay, sooner... he's getting a RoughStack.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I find the attys that come with the 510 junk .. and I don't use attys anyway ..

Just a few other ideas besides the excellent comments already made ..

1) 20-25 initial drops in carto .. let soak 15 minutes .. add another 5-6 drops and allow to sit overnight .. blow out excess isf any ..
2) Insert toothpick in battery end of carto while filling to avoid drip thru .. I then insert toothpick and carto into a styrofoam block as it sits overnight ..

 

[Dingus]

Thanks for all the replies. I will try to follow your advice, and report back.

You really need to make sure you have enough juice in the cartomizer before you vape. Burt taste means the carto is burnt. Didn't you use cartos on your bloog? Or just the prefilled cartos?

Yes, I use blank cartos on the Bloog, but never had a burnt taste (yet), even when they were running dry. I did have some problems with flavor with them, but that turned out to be because I used juice with high VG (50/50).
Off course I need to keep them wet, but with these cartos it seems like I need to keep topping them off very often, which to me kind of defeats the purpose of cartomizers.
But maybe I should have waited longer after I filled them the first time. Didn't have to do that with Bloog cartomizers, but maybe waiting a few hours will turn out to be the solution.

Contact Liberty-Flights about the atomizers. The Riva comes with LR attys - you have to keep them damp.

How did you know where I oredered?
I already sent them a mail today, but didn't hear back yet. I do hope they will replace them.

 

[swedishfish]

I think the bloog are 3.0 if I'm not mistaken. The LR are 2.0. That's why people like them, but that's also why they need to be topped more often.

If you're just looking for a carto that holds more juice but isn't LR, try the echo-e cartos. They hold a HUGE amount of juice and can be cleaned/reused many times. They probably hold 2-3 times as much juice as a regular carto.

I think Bill in the suppliers section sells a 5-pack for $12.50. But they can be used many many times. I'm not sure about 50/50 with most cartos though.

 

[markfm]

I've vaped all the way to 0pg diy on both boge and v4l coolcarts. Even a small amount of alcohol thins high vg nicely.
(a few of my early 0pg diy blends were actually too thin)

 

[Liv2Ski]

@ Dingus - You asked how to tell which carto is LR/SR. I do have to say that while some are marked the fool proof way is to test them with a multimeter. This tool is one that every vaper should have in their kit and I find it extremely useful. It takes all the guess work out and clearly identifies dead atty's, batt volatage etc etc. Happy Vapes!!

 

[JustaGuy]

Hi,

First post here, but I've been vaping for a while.

I received my Riva 510 today. So I filled one of the carts, and started vaping, but after a few puffs the atomizer stopped doing anything. So I tried the other atomizer, and it didn't do anything at all.
I had an old atomizer left, so I tried that, and it worked as expected. So are these new atomizers just duds? Anything I can try, other than asking the supplier to replace them?

I also ordered a bunch of Boge cartomizers with my Riva. I only tried one, but I'm ot very happy about it yet - they taste burnt, unless I keep it very wet all the time. I don't have this problem with my Bloog karto's at all.

Problem is I ordered both LR and regular carto's, but I opened the boxes and got them all mixes up (doh), so I can't tell which one it is that was tasting burnt.

So far, my favorite e-cig is the Bloog, but I was hoping the Riva would perform better. It might, but with the 2 dud atomizers, and the burnt taste in the karto, it seems like it's quite useless...


Thanks for any advice you can give me.

Can't help you with cartos, don't use them. One of 2 "delicate" attys that came with my Riva 510 kit died in a week, LF replaced under warranty. I've been using the 2 Riva attys for a few weeks now, doing fine. From what I can tell, the wiring gets loose between center contact and coil inside the atty. Not much you can do other than replace. They are not as sturdy as Joye attys.

Edit: make that 1 month I've been using Riva attys, time flies. cartos, that's cartos I don't use.

 

[Dingus]

If you're just looking for a carto that holds more juice but isn't LR, try the echo-e cartos. They hold a HUGE amount of juice and can be cleaned/reused many times. They probably hold 2-3 times as much juice as a regular carto.

Basically I'm just looking for a nice way to vape that doesn't require me to fill a cartridge every five minutes, and that doesn't start tasting burnt when I don't. The Bloogs are pretty close to what I want, but I'm experimenting (and spending quite a bit of money on it ) to see if I can find anything better.
Thanks for the advice on the echo-e carts, I just ordered some. I also ordered some APL-A580 atomizers. There isn't much info on those (relatively new product I think), but I never tried a tank system before, so I'm hoping I will like it.

 

[divided]

Y You could do the condom method (fill the plastic sleeve about 1/2 way and push the battery end in. You should see juice start to rise to the top. Add more juice to the top, give it a really good thermometer shake, add drops slowly until it's completely saturated.

Hi. I just started messing around with cartos the last couple days, mostly been dripping so far. I actually did this backwards and put the opposite end into the condom (thought I saw it done that way in a vid).

Is this okay? It seems to be working fine at the moment, does it matter which end you fill it from?

Thanks!

 

[Dingus]

In my experience, both ends work just as well.

 

[divided]

Cool, thanks Dingus! Maybe I'll try the battery end next time.

 

[biffette]

How did you know where I oredered?
I already sent them a mail today, but didn't hear back yet. I do hope they will replace them.

i'll tell you how I knew... that's where everybody gets their Rivas. they'll be real nice at first. after you have to keep having things replaced over & over, they get a little less nice. i don't know if my Riva kit (plus 2 separate batteries) were just from a bad batch or what, & i figure they probably were, but after a while i don't know if i was sicker of them, or they were sicker of me. if not for the mods, i was thisclose to going back to cigarettes. that's how frustrating the whole experience was for me. i had to replace 2 attys & the replacements failed as soon as i got em, 1 charger, & probably like, 6 or 8 batteries. like i said, i lost count. one that i sent back, after they told me to, they refused to replace or return to me, because they said the warranty had run out. they said they'd send it with my next order if i asked. as if.

fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

(btw... the 901 is just the KR8 version of the Riva. 510s are basically the same thing. they just have different connectors

just about everybody works their way up to mods eventually anyway. when i talk to anyone who is interested in e-cigs, i tell them to skip all the working up, & start with a mod in the first place. save yourself the aggravation.

but you know, that's probably just me.

 

[swedishfish]

i'll tell you how I knew... that's where everybody gets their Rivas. they'll be real nice at first. after you have to keep having things replaced over & over, they get a little less nice. i don't know if my Riva kit (plus 2 separate batteries) were just from a bad batch or what, & i figure they probably were, but after a while i don't know if i was sicker of them, or they were sicker of me. if not for the mods, i was thisclose to going back to cigarettes. that's how frustrating the whole experience was for me. i had to replace 2 attys & the replacements failed as soon as i got em, 1 charger, & probably like, 6 or 8 batteries. like i said, i lost count. one that i sent back, after they told me to, they refused to replace or return to me, because they said the warranty had run out. they said they'd send it with my next order if i asked. as if.

fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

(btw... the 901 is just the KR8 version of the Riva. 510s are basically the same thing. they just have different connectors

just about everybody works their way up to mods eventually anyway. when i talk to anyone who is interested in e-cigs, i tell them to skip all the working up, & start with a mod in the first place. save yourself the aggravation.

but you know, that's probably just me.

I'm sorry you had bad luck with your Rivas. My mom's kit is 6 months old and she's still using it. I have a Joye, but my Mom, sister, and two neighbors have all been using theirs with no problems at all. It really stinks that you had problems.

 

[biffette]

thanks.

i'm glad theirs are working so well. hopefully it was just me, & it was just a bad batch or something.

& i'm very happy now, so it all worked out.