^ Great post. If you can't be friends, you can't be roommates IMHO. If you don't ease up on your opinion of the situation what's going to make your roomie do the same? Gotta talk it out, work it out.
Roommate can't stand the smell of my PV
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I vape unflavored on a daily basis and I like it. you may find you like unflavored 
we had a little vape meet in my town last year...maybe 10 people or so. I got there a little late and I noticed when we entered the room there was a definite smell. not unpleasant to me and my non smoking husband didn't complain, but there was a smell. most of what I vape is mint, menthol or fruity, light colored liquid and nobody ever says anything about smell (and my husband was a whiner about my smoking from the moment we married, which I totally ignored - I never heard a word about it while we dated and lived together!)
we had a little vape meet in my town last year...maybe 10 people or so. I got there a little late and I noticed when we entered the room there was a definite smell. not unpleasant to me and my non smoking husband didn't complain, but there was a smell. most of what I vape is mint, menthol or fruity, light colored liquid and nobody ever says anything about smell (and my husband was a whiner about my smoking from the moment we married, which I totally ignored - I never heard a word about it while we dated and lived together!)
I tend to agree with Kamin. I've lived in roommate situations before and there needs to be mutual respect between all residents for it to work. His initial request to ask you not to vape in the house may have been an alpha male (read aggressive) request, but your response to stealth vape was a passive-aggressive response of denial. This is not a healthy way to maintain a relationship that requires compromise.
My first suggestion would be to try to educate him to what vaping is, and how the harm reduction of vaping over cigarettes is a good thing. It's been my experience that most conflicts of this nature (not just vaping) can be resolved with honest conversation when you're dealing with someone in a one-to-one basis (groups are a different story altogether). If you can make him understand the benefits of what you're doing to save your health, then it may be easier to come to a compromise as to which vape flavors he doesn't mind, maybe just keep it out of the common living areas, or come to some other type of arrangement. I see that you're in California, so unless you're in Northern CA, I can't imagine that keeping a window open while vaping would be an issue most of the year.
Just some food for though. Of course, there is the chance that he's just going to be a granola-head-....-munch about vaping, then it may be time to seek new living arrangements.
My first suggestion would be to try to educate him to what vaping is, and how the harm reduction of vaping over cigarettes is a good thing. It's been my experience that most conflicts of this nature (not just vaping) can be resolved with honest conversation when you're dealing with someone in a one-to-one basis (groups are a different story altogether). If you can make him understand the benefits of what you're doing to save your health, then it may be easier to come to a compromise as to which vape flavors he doesn't mind, maybe just keep it out of the common living areas, or come to some other type of arrangement. I see that you're in California, so unless you're in Northern CA, I can't imagine that keeping a window open while vaping would be an issue most of the year.
Just some food for though. Of course, there is the chance that he's just going to be a granola-head-....-munch about vaping, then it may be time to seek new living arrangements.
I'm with the group, just vape unflavored. You can order unflavored with nic. I'd tell him you are doing it because you understand his concerns and want to be reasonable. Then you can vape your light fruits when he isn't around. They have a slight scent also, but don't linger.
He's been annoyed that you have kept vaping when he asked you not to, because until this day you never gave him any ammo to say "SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!" Now you did so he's making an issue about it. Alpha male.
Alternatively, get a more reasonable roommate Although I can tell you some people are sensitive to scents (I love my vapes but can't stand most air fresheners and a LOT of people's perfumes/colognes, especially with they drench themselves in it.) So when you guys had your vape-a-thon, it truly may have bothered him physically. My sinuses go on a rampage around some scents.
He's been annoyed that you have kept vaping when he asked you not to, because until this day you never gave him any ammo to say "SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!" Now you did so he's making an issue about it. Alpha male.
Alternatively, get a more reasonable roommate
Although I can tell you some people are sensitive to scents (I love my vapes but can't stand most air fresheners and a LOT of people's perfumes/colognes, especially with they drench themselves in it.) So when you guys had your vape-a-thon, it truly may have bothered him physically. My sinuses go on a rampage around some scents.
Do what my older brother used to do to me......Fart...and then hold him there and tickle him untill he has to breath, or put an egg down his pants and make him sit down. I love my brother, such a subtle guy. To be totally serious though, the fart thing should work, give it a try and get back to us with his responce!
Tell him you and some friends vaped all night long while he was asleep one night when you actually haven't. If he says something along the lines of "I know I could smell it" Then you'll know for sure if he really can actually smell your vapours or not.
Thanks for all your input guys. You're absolutely right about having to come up with a compromise rather than just blow off his request. It was rather immature of me to do, but when I first got my ecig I had a "this shouldn't bother anybody" mindset which caused me to feel spiteful about his request.
But he sent me a text message this morning before I woke up which I found quite ironic. He said he found the source of the overpowering smell, and it wasn't my ecig. Apparently his girlfriend came over and put a plug-in air freshener in the living room a couple nights ago. I didn't notice, probably because like a lot of us ex smokers, my sense of smell isn't up to par.
After I got up, I cut down some of my 54mg unflavored mixing juice and brought it to him, explained to him that it was unflavored and it's guaranteed to have no smell, and asked him if it was okay if I used it inside. He told me if he can't smell it, he doesn't care.
Funny coincidence though, what with the air freshener being installed the day before I hold a mini vape fest. I'll just keep away from my dark flavors at home, and anyway, this unflavored juice is quite nice. I agree with you cags. I used to vape unflavored juice a while ago, it's pretty good.
But he sent me a text message this morning before I woke up which I found quite ironic. He said he found the source of the overpowering smell, and it wasn't my ecig. Apparently his girlfriend came over and put a plug-in air freshener in the living room a couple nights ago. I didn't notice, probably because like a lot of us ex smokers, my sense of smell isn't up to par.
After I got up, I cut down some of my 54mg unflavored mixing juice and brought it to him, explained to him that it was unflavored and it's guaranteed to have no smell, and asked him if it was okay if I used it inside. He told me if he can't smell it, he doesn't care.
Funny coincidence though, what with the air freshener being installed the day before I hold a mini vape fest. I'll just keep away from my dark flavors at home, and anyway, this unflavored juice is quite nice. I agree with you cags. I used to vape unflavored juice a while ago, it's pretty good.
Does he like fruit? I cant understand why someone would not like the smell of the fruit type juices, I caught my 15 year old daughter fanning the smell towards her so because she likes the smell of strawberry. Also check on getting a new roommate lol.
Glad everything worked out mate. Its always nice when compromise works to everyone's good. After a while with unflavored you might be able to convince him that some of the lighter flavors are ok as well.
I agree the darker fluids are a bit strong at times, but maybe the roommate likes chocolate or something that might work there as well.
It is pretty funny about the air freshener though
I agree the darker fluids are a bit strong at times, but maybe the roommate likes chocolate or something that might work there as well.
It is pretty funny about the air freshener though
I can tell my liquids smell and other people can smell it too. LOL. But I do vape strong strong flavors like Absinthe and black licorice. My DB (who is a light analog smoker and doesn't have the best sniffer) will occasionally say "Oooo, licorice again" LOL. At home it's fine, we both like black licorice anyway... when out and about I take coffee with me generally--this is Seattle, NO ONE is going to notice the smell of coffee or think it's out of place. haha.
I'm glad your roommate was a big enough guy to apologize when he found the real source of the problem scent. Sounds like a decent dude to make a point to apologize. Not everyone would.
I'm glad your roommate was a big enough guy to apologize when he found the real source of the problem scent. Sounds like a decent dude to make a point to apologize. Not everyone would.
My sister's nose is so extreme she claims she can smell cigarettes being smoked in her downstairs garage with the garage door open when she's upstairs at the other end of the house. She also smells natural gas before the leak is bad enough for the power company's testers to detect it. She has also claimed she could smell the smoke pulling into my driveway with her windows up, that was mental.
She did not mind me vaping in her house right next to her and said she couldn't smell it (strawberry). She's even considering getting my nephew a new e-cig because his Blu broke and he won't replace it, opting for tobacco.
Now I don't know if he ever vaped in her house and I know I avoided anything possibly stinky in her house. But I'd say if she doesn't mind it nobody should as long as you're focused on pleasing flavors (no latakia tobacco flavor).
I think you should be able to find some flavor that he would like.
She did not mind me vaping in her house right next to her and said she couldn't smell it (strawberry). She's even considering getting my nephew a new e-cig because his Blu broke and he won't replace it, opting for tobacco.
Now I don't know if he ever vaped in her house and I know I avoided anything possibly stinky in her house. But I'd say if she doesn't mind it nobody should as long as you're focused on pleasing flavors (no latakia tobacco flavor).
I think you should be able to find some flavor that he would like.
I keep asking my Wife if she can smell what flavor I'm vaping she hasn't. When I was in Texas, my Sister made me vape outside because she smelled smoke. I think that it just looked like smoke, and it was subliminal.
You have an issue though depending on how you normally get on with your roommate. Try the no scent juice, and communication... I'm not sure who is primary on the lease but in today's hard times, unless you have a back up plan tread lightly.
You have an issue though depending on how you normally get on with your roommate. Try the no scent juice, and communication... I'm not sure who is primary on the lease but in today's hard times, unless you have a back up plan tread lightly.
I don't know if she's extreme. It was only after I quit smoking that I realized how amazingly pervasive the smell of cigarette smoke is! And it is very clear to me that nothing even remotely similar applies to vapor.
But here is the problem - now, only now, I begin to understand why (some) non-smokers are so upset by smoking. I go to restaurant or bar and nearly gag as I pass by the smoker crowd nestled by the entrance. It takes everything to keep myself from showing, because I know how it feels to be on the other side of the ..... But it's bad. And that's why, I'm sure, people have this strong association in their minds, sufficiently powerful, I bet, to make them truly feel the smell of smoke if they see a cigarette-like PV.
In some interactive museum, I saw this trick where they had you taste a number of gel wafers placed underneath TV screens playing videos suggestive of a flavor and write down what the wafer tasted like. In the end, they'd reveal that all wafers had only a little sweetener and a touch of vanilla. Everyone was writing all sorts of flavors, sometimes detailed!
It's the same: non-smokers can actually smell something unpleasant from your "e-cigarette". And one of our biggest allies (that PVs do not impose with awful, gut wrenching smells) is lost.
And I'm pretty sure (as a matter of opinion only) that PVs that do not resemble cigarettes at all may have a lesser effect.
But here is the problem - now, only now, I begin to understand why (some) non-smokers are so upset by smoking. I go to restaurant or bar and nearly gag as I pass by the smoker crowd nestled by the entrance. It takes everything to keep myself from showing, because I know how it feels to be on the other side of the ..... But it's bad. And that's why, I'm sure, people have this strong association in their minds, sufficiently powerful, I bet, to make them truly feel the smell of smoke if they see a cigarette-like PV.
In some interactive museum, I saw this trick where they had you taste a number of gel wafers placed underneath TV screens playing videos suggestive of a flavor and write down what the wafer tasted like. In the end, they'd reveal that all wafers had only a little sweetener and a touch of vanilla. Everyone was writing all sorts of flavors, sometimes detailed!
It's the same: non-smokers can actually smell something unpleasant from your "e-cigarette". And one of our biggest allies (that PVs do not impose with awful, gut wrenching smells) is lost.
And I'm pretty sure (as a matter of opinion only) that PVs that do not resemble cigarettes at all may have a lesser effect.
Get some Ozium (link). That stuff knocks anything out of the air.
In a civilized world, you should try and work it out. Some folks have said they smell my vape (that sounds funny - pffft), but no one has told me it's offensive.
If like me you can only maintain civility with reasonable people, I vote +1 on the fart and egg thing
In a civilized world, you should try and work it out. Some folks have said they smell my vape (that sounds funny - pffft), but no one has told me it's offensive.
If like me you can only maintain civility with reasonable people, I vote +1 on the fart and egg thing
Sit 'em down on the couch one evening and look really serious and tell 'em you quit smoking cigarettes because they're unhealthy, expensive, and they stink. Tell him that you PV is better than smoking and tell him if he he has two options because you are goingto do vape so he can shut the hell up or he can get the hell out 'cuz you aren't.
It is not "his house". You are not a guest, and should have equal rights. Therefore, he can't just tell you that you can't vape flavored juice. George Orwell's "Animal Farm" talks about a social structure in which all pigs are equal, which (d)evolves into a social order in which "some pigs are more equal than others". Accordingly, you are no "more equal" than he is, so you can't just categorically say that you'll just do whatever you want, just as he can't tell you what to do.
I'd diplomatically campaign for the right to vape flavored juice indoors. No way will it smell as bad as one of those horrific plug-in "air fresheners". I bet he'll come around, especially if everyone keeps cool.
If not, I'll bet you could find a very fine living situation with another vaper, and that would solve everything. Good luck with it.
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