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This thread has been quite an interesting read.
I'm not an old hand on this forum, and I've raised a few hackles myself here and there. That being said, I'd like to plead for a bit of civility here.
Companies do not have a legal requirement to make their dealings transparent--but doing so buys the consumer's trust and respect. If Janty doesn't want to give information about exactly where, by which factories, and by which contractors their products are manufactured, that is their right, in my understanding.
By the same token, if consumers want to inquire, wheedle, or otherwise pester the information out of companies about their products, that is also their right, but the adage holds true: you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
One of the things I like most about this forum is that consumers and suppliers can exchange information. Ludo (and Shawn, though I don't know what his role is in this), and Cash have been very helpful and friendly in the past, and we can ask them questions and make suggestions--note that analog smokers do not have the same benefit when dealing with the monolithic tobacco industry.
From web research on e-cigarettes (which seems to be about all I do at work anymore), it seems that we have A) suppliers, like Shawn and Cash, who probably get their stock from a B) middleman like RoyalSmokers, who collect and resell devices produced by a small number of C) manufacturing companies in Shenzhen. These companies (if indeed the plural is warranted) go by the names of First Union, KangerTech, Smoore, and Sailebao, among others. They may each have different factories, or several of these companies might share a factory--that's how things seem to work.
What I don't understand (and what Ludo has no responsibility to share if he doesn't want to) is how the Janty model works.
Here's my best guess (NOT TO BE TAKEN AS FACT): Janty, being a company based in China, the EU, and the US, works directly with C) the manufacturing companies (most likely using some of the same licensed Ruyan patents and assembly lines), manufacturing effectively the same models as the generics, but possibly with certain changes and/or improvements (more efficient chips, manual switches, etc.) These are then sold through the various supplier arms of Janty, which, given the information available to me, provide excellent customer support. This is not an evil thing to do--note that Janty may be working directly to improve e-cigarette technology, even if the devices in question are similar. You can buy a Ford Crown Victoria or a Mercury Grand Marquis--it's the same chassis with design and comfort improvements in the latter case.
This is basically my best theory as to how things work. I'd love for Ludo or others to address any inaccuracies here, but again, it's his right not to. Anyone else have any theories? Please stay away from 'evil conspiracy' type allegations.
May cooler and clearer heads prevail. Take a vape break.
-Matt
I'm not an old hand on this forum, and I've raised a few hackles myself here and there. That being said, I'd like to plead for a bit of civility here.
Companies do not have a legal requirement to make their dealings transparent--but doing so buys the consumer's trust and respect. If Janty doesn't want to give information about exactly where, by which factories, and by which contractors their products are manufactured, that is their right, in my understanding.
By the same token, if consumers want to inquire, wheedle, or otherwise pester the information out of companies about their products, that is also their right, but the adage holds true: you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
One of the things I like most about this forum is that consumers and suppliers can exchange information. Ludo (and Shawn, though I don't know what his role is in this), and Cash have been very helpful and friendly in the past, and we can ask them questions and make suggestions--note that analog smokers do not have the same benefit when dealing with the monolithic tobacco industry.
From web research on e-cigarettes (which seems to be about all I do at work anymore), it seems that we have A) suppliers, like Shawn and Cash, who probably get their stock from a B) middleman like RoyalSmokers, who collect and resell devices produced by a small number of C) manufacturing companies in Shenzhen. These companies (if indeed the plural is warranted) go by the names of First Union, KangerTech, Smoore, and Sailebao, among others. They may each have different factories, or several of these companies might share a factory--that's how things seem to work.
What I don't understand (and what Ludo has no responsibility to share if he doesn't want to) is how the Janty model works.
Here's my best guess (NOT TO BE TAKEN AS FACT): Janty, being a company based in China, the EU, and the US, works directly with C) the manufacturing companies (most likely using some of the same licensed Ruyan patents and assembly lines), manufacturing effectively the same models as the generics, but possibly with certain changes and/or improvements (more efficient chips, manual switches, etc.) These are then sold through the various supplier arms of Janty, which, given the information available to me, provide excellent customer support. This is not an evil thing to do--note that Janty may be working directly to improve e-cigarette technology, even if the devices in question are similar. You can buy a Ford Crown Victoria or a Mercury Grand Marquis--it's the same chassis with design and comfort improvements in the latter case.
This is basically my best theory as to how things work. I'd love for Ludo or others to address any inaccuracies here, but again, it's his right not to. Anyone else have any theories? Please stay away from 'evil conspiracy' type allegations.
May cooler and clearer heads prevail. Take a vape break.
-Matt
also, just found this...
-Matt
Electronic Cigarette Portal KR808
"Orginal KR-Series
Our KR-808(A) we offer since 25 SEPT 2008 on this webportal, it's not a copy from the frog that has been first introduce on the forums's after 17 November.
More then 60000 end users enjoy this popular model very much since we produce it 28/07/2008."
-Matt
Electronic Cigarette Portal KR808
"Orginal KR-Series
Our KR-808(A) we offer since 25 SEPT 2008 on this webportal, it's not a copy from the frog that has been first introduce on the forums's after 17 November.
More then 60000 end users enjoy this popular model very much since we produce it 28/07/2008."
Let's get the facts straight...
about us:
JANTYCORPORATE on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
about our products:
9 official patents, 2 being KISSBOX CLASSIC and YENTL, proof sent to Jarvis, member on this forum, proof sent to Shawn and smokey Joe admins of this forum. Proof cannot be posted in public because of privacy law. Mini Fogger is a variation of YENTL design patent.
How is the mini fogger, or for that matter the Dura, different form other e-cigs or previous Janty models?
Battery and atomizer = new technology
What does that mean?
Without going into details (adversaries are reading too!) - you will ALWAYS have full power. The battery will cut off when you do not have enough power anymore to keep the full hit. It will tell you that it is time to charge the battery.
The atomizer is... well...special (we are working on classic atomizers to use the same technology, but... not as easy as said...).
Advantages of the Janty mini fogger:
Big smoke!
Big Troath hit (two hole atomizer, bit of a heavier draw resulting in a serious throat hit - especially if you close the whole thing with your fingers on top of that)
Easy to carry, hassle free little cig, cool design.
one more little information about the Janty Mini Fogger:
It is designed by Jack Arent (Arent Jack) and Arent's lawyer is taking measures against the copyright infringement.
You can crosscheck Arents original design (that has not changed) with ALL versions that royalsmokers and Centraltrade have been altering on their websites since Arent's complaint.
There is only one original and it is this one:
This is the last thing I have to say about this. JANTY is seriously considering to leave the forum. We just don't have the time to defend ourselves again and again against false allegations and slandering.
about us:
JANTYCORPORATE on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
about our products:
9 official patents, 2 being KISSBOX CLASSIC and YENTL, proof sent to Jarvis, member on this forum, proof sent to Shawn and smokey Joe admins of this forum. Proof cannot be posted in public because of privacy law. Mini Fogger is a variation of YENTL design patent.
How is the mini fogger, or for that matter the Dura, different form other e-cigs or previous Janty models?
Battery and atomizer = new technology
What does that mean?
Without going into details (adversaries are reading too!) - you will ALWAYS have full power. The battery will cut off when you do not have enough power anymore to keep the full hit. It will tell you that it is time to charge the battery.
The atomizer is... well...special (we are working on classic atomizers to use the same technology, but... not as easy as said...).
Advantages of the Janty mini fogger:
Big smoke!
Big Troath hit (two hole atomizer, bit of a heavier draw resulting in a serious throat hit - especially if you close the whole thing with your fingers on top of that)
Easy to carry, hassle free little cig, cool design.
one more little information about the Janty Mini Fogger:
It is designed by Jack Arent (Arent Jack) and Arent's lawyer is taking measures against the copyright infringement.
You can crosscheck Arents original design (that has not changed) with ALL versions that royalsmokers and Centraltrade have been altering on their websites since Arent's complaint.
There is only one original and it is this one:
This is the last thing I have to say about this. JANTY is seriously considering to leave the forum. We just don't have the time to defend ourselves again and again against false allegations and slandering.
I don't mean to upset you, Ludo, and I understand you don't want to talk further about this, but isn't the point of a patent that you make it public? You will find that the penalty for not providing a reference number to the patent on the product is a partial negation your right to sue for infringements. As I said, don't take this as an attack.
I know Bertrand but MY personal home address is on it! Until I have changed it into the company address I cannot post it...
Heard of Microsoft Paint?
Ludo, I mean no offense, but that video only shows manufacturing of the switch device. Does Janty manufacture the atomizer for the KISSBOX as well?
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Heard of Microsoft Paint?
no sir, I have not ... must be luci's new hacker software!!! beware of the luci!!!!
So, is JOYETECH a subsidiary of Janty? Do they make e-cigs for other companies?
We have a disposable in production and should have the first delivery within 2 weeks. However, ours is semi-disposable as the vapouriser can be used with our rechargeable batteries when the disposable one runs out. These will not be aimed at the normal consumer market because of price but will be perfect for specific markets and for outlets requiring a long shelf life without the battery losing its charge.
I would be interested to know if anyone has tested the ones from Royal and if the carts last as long as they claim?
Cheers.
John.
Heard of Microsoft Paint?
patent ref number |-> original patent |-> Ludo's home address.
Without patent ref number, it could easily be forgery, so people are still going to complain.
Forums can be tools to achieve business ends.
So it begins. So much for "user" information being exchanged ....
Let this pollution continue, however, and the forum's value drops to the point that legitimate users will leave in disgust.
So it begins. So much for "user" information being exchanged ....
Let this pollution continue, however, and the forum's value drops to the point that legitimate users will leave in disgust.
yes Bob...and i think its been getting steadily worse for quite a while on this forum...Forums can be tools to achieve business ends.
So it begins. So much for "user" information being exchanged ....
Let this pollution continue, however, and the forum's value drops to the point that legitimate users will leave in disgust.
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