Royalsmokers e2 r4 carts - Questions

[kencan98]

ok so I got my first set of carts. I have no idea why I decided to try these, I just did. I've been vaping fine with my 510, an atty and dripping but I saw these and figured I'd try it out.

This is what I got
510 E2 R4 Cartomizers, 2.4-2.6 ohm, 5 pack

I cannot fill these things at all.

Here's what I did.

I popped this off

Then I popped this out

Then I dropped juice in here

After 5 or 6 drops the juice runs out of here

These are unfilled carts.

I get no taste at all even with the few drops in that I got.

I tried this on 2 carts because I thought maybe I just got a bad one...but no luck.


Any help?

Thanks!

 

[TypeOholic]

The juice has to go down around the sides of that middle piece in your third picture. If you drip on to the center piece it will just run through. The best way I can describe how to fill it is like pouring a beer. Tilt the carto at a 45 degree angle and drip down the inside of the carto wall. Once some juice gets down in there, rotate the carto and drip a few more drops down the other side then put all the pieces back together. Let it wick up for a few seconds and you should be good to go.

 

[kencan98]

Awesome Type0. Thank you so much! Im going to try it now and report back.

 

[BillyP]

I use a syringe to fill mine, TypeOholics method should worl too. If you have the regular size I believe you should be able to get 0.8ml in there. As far as not getting flavor, I dont know. You could have just flooded the atty, or they could be bad. Check to see if they get warm. If you run them dry they will glow bright red, then you will know for sure it is working

 

[kencan98]

Thanks for the help Type0 but still no good. I get about 7 drops in and it drips out the other end. 3 drags and the flavor is gone.

 

[BillyP]

If it drips out the other end your most likely full. If your getting 3 good drags that means its working. these r4's have been known to wick very slow.

this might help if you find you are having wicking problems

 

[Scottitude]

Gotta use a syringe with the little blue filler tip that's included in each five-pack. So far, I'm unimpressed. I've filled three out of ten and all taste a little odd. Letting them soak and wick for a couple of days & I'll give 'em another try. Haven't given up, but I'm not a fan yet.

Re-ordered some standard 510 cartos, some LR atties (& compatible batteries) to tide me over in the meantime.

 

[TypeOholic]

The syringe method will work but what no one has mentioned is that with the syringe you would leave the last piece inside. The one with the 2 tiny holes. Then, you would use the syringe to put juice through those tiny holes. Taking that piece out and dripping down the side should work without issue.

Without seeing what you are doing it's hard for me to know why it's not working. Using the method I described above will get juice in the right place. If it is dripping out of the threaded end, I would guess it is full as others mentioned above. Depending on how big the drops are when you are filling, you should be getting between 15 (if drops are really big) to 30 (if drops are really small) drops in one of those. Unfortunately, the best way for you to figure that out is just going to be to fill them a few times.

As far as the lack of flavor goes, I agree with BillyP. These cartos are known to wick juice very slow. If yours are full, as we suspect they are, the wicking should be less of an issue but it still could be. Especially because you have the lower resistance version which tends to run hotter and use more juice.

Try this... Put the carto away for about 15 minutes. Then, do not add any more juice or anything, just try vaping it. See if you get 2 or 3 good hits off of it. If so, the carto just can't keep up with you. lol. If after 15 minutes you still get nothing, no vapor and no flavor, there is another issue. Right now I don't have many other ideas. But keep us posted and we will keep trying to help you.

 

[BeatSherlock]

I've noticed mine used to leak after only putting in 0.6ml. They actually aren't supposed to leak. I fixed it by pushing the contact end further in. That creates a good seal with between it, and the gasket between it and the rest of the carto. You should be able to fill about 0.6ml. Also, for most people rinsing these really well prior to use with as hot of water as you can muster, letting in dry (or using a blow dryer) and dry burning till there's no smoke gets rid of the initial strange taste. Hope this helps

And yes let it wick for a bit. It's one of the cart's standing issues, especially with 100% VG.

[edit]

Also, what voltage is your PV? I'm using and M602c at 3.7 volts with the same 2.5Ohm cart. This resistance is too little for the 3.7 v because the liquid is vaporized sooner than it can wick.
Sadly, it causes loss of flavor (but not loss of vapor!) and crusting on the coil (sooner than usual).

I've tried dilluting with vodka, mixing with a PG/VG mix and those helped for a bit, but at the loss of flavour. In the end you need to get 3.0 Ohm version. I just ordered mine and am looking forward to using them.

Those aren't a complete loss however. I cut the wicks and drip into a couple of them (into the ceramic cup). Not tonnes of vapor, but definitely flavor. 4-5 drops work for me.

 

[dannoman]

If you have trouble with wicking with mainly VG what you do it vape it with a slight tilt...it really does work. You don't have to go nuts and tilt up 20-45 degrees but tilt up slightly...just almost a naturally vape hit...even horizontally at 90 degrees I usually get it to wick fine every time, as often as I want... but thats somethign you learn after using them...and thats also why its probably a good idea to put the filler ring back in there if you have removed it to clean it.

 

[otrpu]

I load up two E2's on two batts, (same type, different color), alternate tween the two. Allows a dwell time for the wick to happen. The juice viscosity makes a big difference in my experience. And, after letting the carto sit idle for 8 hours, noticed this morning after work. Everything seemed to come together. When you get it right, it's outrageous.

Cheers,
otrpu

 

[TypeOholic]

I was thinking about this some more and I decided to open a brand new E2 and fill it right out of the box with no prep just to see what my results were. Here is what I did...

1. Popped carto out of the foil pack
2. Removed soft cap
3. Removed second ring
4. Removed the filler ring (Some may call this something else. It's the one with the 2 tiny fill holes)
5. Dripped 5 drops down 1 side, not at the point where the wick is
6. Dripped 5 drops down the other side, again not where the wick is
7. Repeated 5 and 6 for a total of 20 drops
8. Touched the end of the bottle to the center of the wick just to get the last little bit of fluid that did not go back into the bottle.
9. Replaced the filler ring
10. Replaced the white cap (I did not replace the middle ring. I'll explain why)

I took 3 big 8 second hits on this carto and it hit like a champ. Actually, the third hit was the best because I think the primer fluid was gone by then. I did not replace the middle ring because I wanted to be able to see if there was any leakage from the filler ring. There is not. There is however quite a bit of condensation around the cup under the wick.

I hit this carto 3 more times after only 30 seconds and all 3 were good strong hits. After another 30 seconds or so, I hit it again 2 more times and both of those hits were really good. I had to take a break and type some after that. 8 big hits in like 2 minutes got me a little amped up. lol.

Here is what came to mind about the OP situation while I was doing this.

1. Maybe your box of cartos have more primer fluid than others. This may explain why you are not getting a lot of juice in there and why the flavor is weak. After you drip some juice in there, and some gets on the wick, the flavor dissipates leaving just the primer which has not burned out yet. The primer fluid can also slow down the wicking since the wick is technically not dry.

2. After noticing the condensation, I checked the threaded end and there was also condensation on the batt. Maybe some of the leakage issues mentioned in the OP was due to condensation. With regular vaping, I have not seen that issue. But, if your normal vaping style is to take a lot of long drags in a row, you may see more condensation than I normally do.

OK, 2 more big hits and I just started to taste the first hint of the atty which means the carto is getting dry.

Waiting 5 minutes....

And finally, 1 short hit to confirm that the carto is dry. Got a little bit of vapor and flavor but mostly tasted the atty. So, time to refill.

I hope this info helps.


Edit to add: I refilled with 18 drops and the carto is firing like a champ again.

 

[BeatSherlock]

Wow! Thanks for running that experiment. Very useful. I'm not sure if you mentioned this but, what voltage is your PV and what Ohm rating are your R4s?

 

[Stutzy]

The bit about the initial dry burn is spot on. this can be one nasty taste if they have primer on the coil. These are my favorite vape personally. lower ohm version on 3.7 roughstack. I don't remove the inner ring just shoot with a syringe into the small holes. I fill a 5 mill syringe at the beginning of the day and have it sitting around for fill-ups and it works great for me. If they all perform as well as my first box i'm done with atomizers. It's just so nice to not have to drip all the dang time. There does seem to be a factor with juice viscosity tho. The thicker vg juices really don't seem to do as well.

 

[TypeOholic]

Wow! Thanks for running that experiment. Very useful. I'm not sure if you mentioned this but, what voltage is your PV and what Ohm rating are your R4s?

I was using a regular resistance kr808 E2 on a standard kr808 battery which I believe is 3.7 volts. I don't measure the resistance but they are not the low resistance version. I believe the resistance has been measured by others around 3 amps.

 

[floridamale]

I find these to leak also not looking to use again till they fix this issue. In the above post if I counted right you get about 10 - 12 draws out of .5ml carto fill. I'll stick to dripping which in my opinion has the best return of flavor, thoart hit, vaper heat, and juice usage going. Thanks for your report