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lol this might do the trick then. I swear it took every last bit of moisture out of my mouth. within a few hours i couldnt even vape anymore. it also took away the smoothness and creamyness for me. not thick and full just like salty flavored water. I get way more moisture for using a little tiny percent of tfa marshmallow then i did this. I went into this with an open mind. never even thought Id taste salt just because everyone seems to use it so it didnt come to mind untill my first toot and felt like I ate a cup of salt. maybe like .5% for me might work
Well, now I want to try it in my nut flavors, maybe in popcorn! I've still not tried because the only saline I run across is for contacts, with all kinds of preservatives. Obviously I haven't looked too hard.

I've been looking for a way to get "salty snack" flavours. Could adding saline possibly work? Would sit well with my popcorn flavour :)

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I've been using we2rcool's base and it definitely helps with hydration. I almost cant vape the vendor bought juices that I have anymore they dry me out so bad. I started vaping around the first of the year and soon after started noticing blood when blowing my nose, since I started using their base it has totally cleared up.

I thought I may have tasted a little salt once so I put a new wick in and vaped some plain base mix but could not detect any salt.
 

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If your not salt sensitive your probably not going to taste it with out thinning your E-Juice to water consistency....I have used Saline .9 on all of my mixes at 10% and I still haven't tasted the salt.

:-( I really want to find a way to do salty flavours

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'Just want to take a quick moment and say a big THANK YOU (!) to everyone that's sharing everything they're experiencing with saline! There's no way we (or anybody else) can give solid/helpful recommendations (or know how to offer possible tweaks & adjustments, or tweak our own), if we're not seeing the ways it's working (or not working) for everyone. Knowledge is a GOOD thing!

We'll be posting a LOT more as soon as we can free up some time. We had a verrrrrrry interesting experience today (we actually tasted the saline for the first time), and have lots we want to share.
 

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I went into my local Rite Aid this morning - and indeed, to sell me a big bottle of their saline they required a prescription LOL Both the pharmacist and laughted at getting an rx for salt water and agreed I would be better off making my own. So that's what I'm going to :p Most of the saline I saw for sale was either 0.65% or had some other additive in it.

Google tells me you can only keep this homemade stuff for 1-3 days....not sure I'm going to make this up everytime I want to use it!
 
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im done going in places to see if places have what i need until Im about 80 lol. I always get looked at like I am some kind of drug addict. I know its how i look but i figure its 2014 people had gotten over things like that. young guy lots of tattoos big goatee. must do drugs. no sorry mid 30's husband and father of 3 trying to save some cash and get off cigs. I dont even know what the heck you could do with saline . hahaha. trying to buy syringes was real fun .
 
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For those wanting to DIY saline solution, here's pure, USP sodium chloride tablets (fwiw, USP/pure is the only thing we'd consider using) Amazon.com: Sodium Chloride 1 Gm 100 Tablets: Health & Personal Care

It took us forEVER to locate USP sodium chloride/NaCl in a "buyable" pre-measured quantity (and from the reviews, we're not the only ones). We just ordered a bottle...how cool, "1 gram" tablets :) These (and the powder) can also be found on eBay. Most of the powders are ACS/Reagent grade - which is MORE pure than USP (but some have added iodine).

Btw, one 1 gram tablet + 110 mls distilled water = .9% solution

Time is short - the list is long. Hopefully some time'll free-up to post/share more soon!
 

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This is what I used NeilMed Pharmaceuticals - NasaDrops
I purchased it at a local drug store. I don't see this mentioned on the website, but the box does state that it is an isotonic solution.

FWIW, after 4 months of testing using the saline in ranges from 1% to 8% I won't be using it anymore. It wasn't playing nice with my cartos and it wasn't really improving my mixtures.
 

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thanks Ill have to check this out :) Im still not going to give up . going to keep trying till I beat it or it beats me lol
For those wanting to DIY saline solution, here's pure, USP sodium chloride tablets (fwiw, USP/pure is the only thing we'd consider using) Amazon.com: Sodium Chloride 1 Gm 100 Tablets: Health & Personal Care

It took us forEVER to locate USP sodium chloride/NaCl in a "buyable" pre-measured quantity (and from the reviews, we're not the only ones). We just ordered a bottle...how cool, "1 gram" tablets :) These (and the powder) can also be found on eBay. Most of the powders are ACS/Reagent grade - which is MORE pure than USP (but some have added iodine).

Btw, one 1 gram tablet + 110 mls distilled water = .9% solution

Time is short - the list is long. Hopefully some time'll free-up to post/share more soon!

This is what I used NeilMed Pharmaceuticals - NasaDrops
I purchased it at a local drug store. I don't see this mentioned on the website, but the box does state that it is an isotonic solution.

FWIW, after 4 months of testing using the saline in ranges from 1% to 8% I won't be using it anymore. It wasn't playing nice with my cartos and it wasn't really improving my mixtures.
it killed a new coil in half day. I must be doing something wrong it seems , going to wait for we2rcool to give a sweet report lol
 

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This is what I use: Amazon.com: Ubimed Cleanoz Preservative Free Saline Solution, (Pack of 20): Health & Personal Care

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It comes in individual 5mL plastic vials. $5.99 from Amazon.

I just went to purchase this, and it is an "add on" item, whatever that is.. Basically I couldn't buy it unless I were to spend 25 bucks total on my order.. And I have Amazon Prime! Pfft on that. I liked the idea of just using 5ml of it at a time. I have no idea how long this stuff lasts..
 

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We're back with a long overdue update/response --

We've used a VG base for all our mixes of 80% VG; 9% distilled water; 9% sterile saline solution (.9%) and 2% distilled water...for almost a year in all of our mixes.

We vaped with generic cartos; Boge cartos, Smoktech cartos; stock eVods; stock Protanks; stock Mini Davide Glassomizers, and a couple of similar knock-offs from Fasttech.

We started rebuilding our own coils for tanks about 6-7 months ago. We used various gauges of Kanthal wire & ribbon with common silica.

In all that time with two people vaping, we've never had a problem with saline affecting the coils (stock or our own build).

Everything was perfect until we switched to Nextel (aka ReadyxWick). It's available here Online Store, and it's been kiln treated for 12 hours. We do NOT recommend buying it untreated (or treated less) - and we highly recommend boiling it several times before using it.

Nextel has several benefits:

-it wicks incredible amounts of juice incredibly fast (you'll likely have to adjust your coils to compensate)
-it has NO flavor (most all other wicking material has some level of flavor, so you need more flavoring)
-it won't scorch - no way, no how. You can take filthy brown/black used wicking, torch it, and it will be totally clean & white.
-not a benefit...no matter what you've read, it does degrade (substantially sometimes), and the tiny shards are definitely a 'risk factor'

When we switched to the Nextel, for the first time ever we were able to taste 'salt' in a few of our juices, and in many more we were able to discern that the salt content was doing what that much salt does to any flavor...changed or lessened them. We did about 40 side-by-sides (with Nextel; with normal silica wicking) - and some yielded no difference at all in flavor/intensity.

We have done extensive testing and decided on a new, standard VG Base to use with our mixes. We halved the amount of saline solution and replaced it with distilled water. So now it is: 80% VG; 13.5% distilled water; 4.5% saline solution (.9%) and 2% pure grain alcohol.

Mixes with 80% VG; 18% dw; 2% pga were 'flat' and wanted more flavor - but more flavor wasn't the answer - they were flat & without zip, zing, and 'flavor pop'

Mixes with 80% VG; 16% dw; 2% saline; 2% pga were almost as 'dead' as the above

Mixes with our new Base had all the zip, zing & *pop* as before, but we could discern no negative/distorting impact from the saline.

Something else we noticed when we switched to Nextel? The Kanthal started showing signs of oxidation after several uses. But that NEVER happened with any of our cartos, stock heads, or rebuilds before switching to Nextel. We are sure of this. This slight oxidation did not diminish the coil life.

Btw, we clean, dry burn and 'adjust' our coils after every 2-4mls of juice. They soak in 190 proof pga (then we put a lid on and shake them like crazy), lay them out to dry and dry burn them.

SO, knowing that Kanthal contains iron (and something in the Nextel was triggering/enhancing oxidation), we switched to Nichrome 80 (80% nickel; 20% chomium). We love it! It's much 'stiffer' (much easier to work with); has absolutely no taste; does not oxidize, and seems to 'hold up better' than the Kanthal. We'd never noticed the Kanthal having a slight metallic taste before, but we sure do now!

We're not trying to say that anyone elses 'coil experiences' are invalid. But we do want to remind everyone that 1-2 "experiences" doesn't prove a durn thing. There are WAY too many variables in play with coils to be able to determine "this caused this" after only 1 or 2 'occurences'. That many 'occurences' is just the trigger that indicates more/extensive testing is needed to find out what is happening.

Our suggestions, if you're going to use saline solution:

--Use only .9% saline solution without any additives - no preservatives; no antimicrobial agents, nothing.
--If you're going to make your own, use only USP sodium chloride. All other "salt" has additives or natural impurities...and those impurities may have adverse affects on your tanks/coils, and they will have some level of action of some type or another on the final juices (something we can't control from 'batch to batch'). Here's a link to USP, 1 gram sodium chloride tablets: Amazon.com: Sodium Chloride 1 Gm 100 Tablets: Health & Personal Care
--Wicking material matters! And there IS a difference in even the most common of 'standard silicas' - from each manufacturers they will be different densities, different materials, be treated/untreated; and have different residual 'residue' from manufacturing...and any vendor could change brands on any spool. So you could change from 'one pack' of coil heads to another pack from the same exact source, and be vaping entirely different 'standard silicas'. This applies to much more than just "saline".
--Work with it...the postive affect of saline on flavors & hydration is well worth the effort!
 
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Ok, now you have me thinking... Ever heard of fleur de sel? It's a grommet type finishing salt that you sprinkle on foods after they are cooked. You do taste salt but the pop it gives foods is amazing. This is no joke, you can even put it on your chocolate cake, or even ice cream for a bit of magic on your palette. It's not pure NaCl of course, here is the breakdown according to Wikipedia:

Mineral Quantity
Sodium chloride 94.3 - 97.6%
Calcium 0.19 - 0.20%
Magnesium 0.42 - 0.79%
Potassium 0.22 - 0.67%
Iron 8.0 - 11.1 mg/kg
Iodine 0.5 - <3 mg/kg

Nothing there seems like it would be harmful to vape, and the percentages in a final mix would be very, very tiny indeed. My question is, does anyone see a reason not to mix up a batch of We2's base and try it out? Based on the taste of this salt, it could be absolutely amazing.
 

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Ok, now you have me thinking... Ever heard of fleur de sel? It's a grommet type finishing salt that you sprinkle on foods after they are cooked. You do taste salt but the pop it gives foods is amazing. This is no joke, you can even put it on your chocolate cake, or even ice cream for a bit of magic on your palette. It's not pure NaCl of course, here is the breakdown according to Wikipedia:

Mineral Quantity
Sodium chloride 94.3 - 97.6%
Calcium 0.19 - 0.20%
Magnesium 0.42 - 0.79%
Potassium 0.22 - 0.67%
Iron 8.0 - 11.1 mg/kg
Iodine 0.5 - <3 mg/kg

Nothing there seems like it would be harmful to vape, and the percentages in a final mix would be very, very tiny indeed. My question is, does anyone see a reason not to mix up a batch of We2's base and try it out? Based on the taste of this salt, it could be absolutely amazing.

Yes, we have heard of fleur de sel - in fact, this is what we have/use: Le Tresor Fleur de Sel Sea Salt However, our 'table salt' is the Himalayan, as we prefer the purity & mineral content (84 minerals) Himalayan Pink Salt (Fine Grain)

We do not recommend using natural salts in e-juice due to the mineral content & impurities - but their is no 'rule book' for DIYing (and if there was a rule book, we2 would be the first ones to break it :::grin::: ) And that's not because of health, it's because of the physical action on the coils.

The effect of the saline solution on juices is just as you describe! Once you've found your sweet spot, they're simply flat & lackluster without it. We consider it to be essential.
 
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