I think good points are being made. I do agree there are more reputable sellers on ebay versus not, but since it's achievable (and often equally as inexpensive) I really prefer using Mooch's "safe suppliers" list, and I'm happy it's around. I buy consistently from IMRbatteries.com, their prices are great, and they get to me as soon as, if not sooner than items from Ebay. There are things I would and wouldn't purchase on Ebay depending on the seller's ratings and reputation but batteries wouldn't be one of them, even if I genuinely TRUSTED that the vendor in question was a good one.
Here is my question though, how is ebay selling "trusted reputable brands from big name sellers" at a highly discounted price? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they would be "cheaper" if authentic, because if the seller is "reselling" "authentic" batteries from "reputable sellers" to make any money at all, the prices would need to be higher not lower.
That would make me worried about several things:
a) are they old, overstock, or seconds or even batteries purchased and left to sit for a long time, then "sold off."
b) Are they "seconds" that the seller was able to get their hands on cheaply... because they failed QR?
c) Does the seller himself know if they are used/counterfeit/seconds, it's possible not.
I just don't see "they're cheaper than the "recommended" sellers" being all that great of a sign. I would expect them to be MORE expensive unless the seller has some special battery connection I don't know about... Possible, but how likely?
IDK, batteries is an area where I do not pinch my pennies. Other places, maybe, but not batteries.
Anna
It's generally a case of all of the above. Usually with large sellers, it's having a company and buying wholesale. They then don't have a physical front (or maybe they do) so can sell with little overhead. Then again (as with most vape stuff) it's coming out of China from the likes of FT, DHG and the like.
There are occasions where it is overstock or clearance stuff being bought up or maybe even auction buys from defunct companies. They do sell B stock as well, there used to be a store near me that sold only Wally World return items, so I'd imagine something of the like happens on Ebay as well.
Lastly there's the darker side of it, stuff that "fell" off the truck. Now there's no way to prove it of course nor how often it may be happening. I for one have no doubt that there are many items on there that are "hotter than a two dollar pistol" as the saying goes, lol.
The biggest issue is product validity and repercussion, which is very little in auction sites. A buyer is buying as is. Now sellers aren't allowed to outright lie but there is a lot of room for wiggle. Since the actual site (Ebay) doesn't lay hands or eyes on the product(s), if a problem arises, it becomes a he said she said game.
It then becomes more beneficial to a seller with many high marks, than to a buyer with less transactions. Think in lines of trying to argue a ticket in court, who's the judge most likely to believe? In effect it, no longer is the truth looked at but who "may" be more likely to tell the truth.
I rarely buy from Ebay due to the fact it is self policing, so Ebay has more to gain from keeping high volume sellers, as to siding with low volume buyers. In short it is a rigged system, you have a fairer chance of results by just flipping a coin, at least then it's a unbiased blind decision.