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alljokingaside

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So I'm really f@#$!@ frustrated with the service here. Annoyed. Why? Let me explain:
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Basics:

I made a refund ticket for 2 products I don't want 2 weeks ago. It was covered at the time the ticket was made per Satisfaction Guarantee (45 days from date of arrival, estimated to be 21 days from at date of purchase. I received it in roughly 23 days.). The products are still unused/unopened. I’ve stated this. Repeatedly. Throughout 12 correspondences.

The refund’s been rejected at the time of this posting.
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Details:

I made a refund ticket 2 weeks ago. Within the Money Back/Satisfaction Guarantee coverage date of the item in question: Aspire nautilus Mini + glass replacement tanks (actually, within 30 days since date of receipt [or, a little over 3 weeks from date of purchase]).
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Reason:
I felt that the ceramic wicking material could potentially be hazardous after having read and seen other people’s posting on different forums (splintered ceramic wicks after use) and, after having received it, decided to return it immediately. Now, the ticket was posted what I thought was relative late (around 26 calendar days from time of arrival; I thought the warranty coverage date was 30 days from time of arrival) because I was waiting for replacement coil heads I ordered. I wanted to ship them en masse to save on return shipping costs. (Frugal? Yeah, but I’m one for efficiency.) But the coils hadn’t arrived and it was nearing what I thought was the end of the warranty period (30 days [vs the actual 45 days]) so I made the ticket. I stated as much to the rep.
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As of this posting and 12 back-and-forths, the matter is still unresolved. Rather, the rep's telling me that that, apparently, it is resolved. No refund.

Even though the items are UNUSED, UNOPENED, WERE UNDER WARRANTY AT DATE OF TICKET, ETC. After having said so in MULTIPLE MESSAGES, in the 11th correspondence (today), she's telling me that- no, the item isn't qualified for a refund because it has been used.

To quote: "But your items had been used and defective after you used, we are unable to resell."

And I'll even be generous- one reply (the 4th) was detailed (exact reasons for refund given) and I might understand how she might have missed it. Except other, much simpler replies, both before and after, as well as IN SAID DETAILED REPLY stated, near-verbatim: "ALL ITEMS UNUSED/UNOPENED." And multiple times within the detailed message. (That message was even organized and categorized, somewhat like this post) They've been sitting in a box here, ready to be shipped, just waiting for an address.
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Notes:

That said, I have had ONE positive experience recently with another rep (Andrea), who did assist me and offered a refund with little hassle for a product (Aspire Nautilus Mini coil replacements) that was ordered/shipped around New Years and still has not yet arrived as of this message (now 45 business days since shipment; ETA was around 30 business days). Actually, until I mentioned the refund ticket to Andrea, the ticket had been sitting for days after CNY. After I mentioned it, the refund ticket was attended to. So, yeah- Andrea is awesome.

In that conversation, not once did I feel belittled, beleaguered, dismissed, or like I was talking to a brick wall. It was pleasant. However, the service I'm getting now is awful. Enough to write this long diatribe. If not for Andrea, I would have thought that FT, per policy, tries to wriggle their way out of honoring their Guarantees.
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Conclusion:

I'm just sharing my experiences to warn other against potential pitfalls on FT w/r/t refund tickets. Dissatisfaction isn’t guaranteed, but is definitely up for grabs.

I have some credit left in my account and a shopping cart of items that I’ve been obsessing for the past few weeks that I'll probably get, but I'll definitely start shopping around elsewhere for my mods, attys, and whatnot.

Nice job, FT.
 

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You're not the only one. FT is very difficult when it comes to that department. Even if they grant you the refund, many members have never seen that refund or got a code that never worked (me) and they wouldn't send a new one. I might suggest sticking with companies like 101Vape, VapeRoyalty, SweetVapes, etc. You may pay a few dollars more, but the accelerated shipping times and quality customer service is worth it.

Edit: Just noticed you were in Korea.
 

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Frequently Asked Questions: FastTech

Very good to read BEFORE you buy...don't buy without knowledge of what U are buying , and then expect an immediate refund , nor even bother reading their terms and their FAQ's.

4. What is the Money Back Guarantee?

Not happy with a product? Return it to us.


You may return undamaged items to us postmarked within 45 calendar days of delivery. If the return is not a result of our error, customers will be required to cover shipping cost both ways. Please make sure the item is returned in the original condition, with the original packaging and accessories.

Please note that shipping and handling charges apply if returns are not results of FastTech's error.

Click here to return a product.

Eligibility:
•Products must not be altered or modified.
•Raw components and PCB boards cannot be accepted for return after they are installed or soldered.
•Consumables cannot returned once they are opened.
•When returning replacement products, the original (defective or non-functional) unit must also be returned, or a fee may be assessed.
•Volume/wholesale (signified by volume discounts), and customized orders are not covered by this offer.


I suggest you post this again at the FT forums (Attention Jenny) Latest Threads: FastTech Forums

or email FT at support @fasttech.com


FT is VERY good with returns and refunds..now AFTER CNY, they are training 40-60% of their worforce who are new, since yearly the previous ones do NOT return from their homes in foreign countries other than China..U may have a new Customer Service rep 'in training:"who is not aware yet of their return/refund policy....BTW...I suggest you request an INSTANT gift certificate refund once your order is returned and received by FT , which will take a while... request an RMA (Return Merchandise Authorization number) from the CS reps or in the forums or an email to FT..
 
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szot

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FT is NOT a shipper and cannot lose a shipment..they contract a shipper that YOU choose, select and specifically requested......so your post is ridiculous...its like you blaming yourself if U ship something via USPS and they lose it, do you blame yourself?.......all U or the sender (FT in this case) can do is request an investigation to the shipper that U selected into the lost or delayed package..and that's internationally in any country , and with any sender....including yourself..
 
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So I'm really f@#$!@ frustrated with the service here. Annoyed. Why? Let me explain:
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Basics:

I made a refund ticket for 2 products I don't want 2 weeks ago. It was covered at the time the ticket was made per Satisfaction Guarantee (45 days from date of arrival, estimated to be 21 days from at date of purchase. I received it in roughly 23 days.). The products are still unused/unopened. I’ve stated this. Repeatedly. Throughout 12 correspondences.

The refund’s been rejected at the time of this posting.
==
Details:

I made a refund ticket 2 weeks ago. Within the Money Back/Satisfaction Guarantee coverage date of the item in question: Aspire Nautilus Mini + glass replacement tanks (actually, within 30 days since date of receipt [or, a little over 3 weeks from date of purchase]).
--
Reason:
I felt that the ceramic wicking material could potentially be hazardous after having read and seen other people’s posting on different forums (splintered ceramic wicks after use) and, after having received it, decided to return it immediately. Now, the ticket was posted what I thought was relative late (around 26 calendar days from time of arrival; I thought the warranty coverage date was 30 days from time of arrival) because I was waiting for replacement coil heads I ordered. I wanted to ship them en masse to save on return shipping costs. (Frugal? Yeah, but I’m one for efficiency.) But the coils hadn’t arrived and it was nearing what I thought was the end of the warranty period (30 days [vs the actual 45 days]) so I made the ticket. I stated as much to the rep.

So you ordered something, then changed your mind after it had been shipped.
You are the one being unreasonable.
You can't just order something then just change your mind after they send it.
You can send it back and ask for the refund, but you can't expect them to send a refund before you return it.
 

alljokingaside

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So you ordered something, then changed your mind after it had been shipped.
You are the one being unreasonable.
You can't just order something then just change your mind after they send it.
You can send it back and ask for the refund, but you can't expect them to send a refund before you return it.

(If either the rep or the FAQ stated that items were only eligible for refund iff they were broken or defective upon arrival, then I'd've tossed the matter out. Bit it. But...)

Mmm, yes I can. It's a "Satisfaction Guarantee." Their policy states I have to pay for shipping, which is cool, but that if unused and timely (45 days), I am eligible for a refund. That's what their website and ther rep said. (Plus, I didn't ask for the refund before shipment. Not sure how you drew that conclusion.)

If they refuse to honor that policy, stated by the rep and the website, then it's on me to let others know. If you can't trust a site's written description of themselves, then how can you trust their service, products, or descriptions of said products? W/ the prices as is, if their policy was a caveat emptor thing and they said so, then I'd get it and wouldn't have grounds to be dissatisfied. As it stands, that isn't the case. They have a policy.

More the point, the service I got from that rep was horrible. A touch of rude, a smattering of dismissive, and a whole bunch o' disingenuous/ignorant (I can't tell) replies. That's the issue at hand.

Anyway, UPDATE- Jenny from FT just got back to me and it seems to have been pushed through.

But- the original rep's decided to charge me 2x the shipping costs (~$7.46) since one item (the replacement glass) was part of a larger order, so I've canceled that one. ~$3.23 shipping fee for a $2 product. Guess I'll have glass to smash when I'm bored or something. Ugh. Placated, but not entirely satisfied. Will proceed with caution w/r/t future FT orders. Bestgear's looking better and better by the day.
 
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alljokingaside

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Btw, the return was for products I bought for my first vaping kit. Never vaped or had vaping products beforehand. Hard to know what to look for w/o history or a solid frame of reference. Or like, you know, to search for potentially hazardous ceramic wicking material. I've smartened up since then.

Thanks for all hte helpful replies!
 

alljokingaside

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You're not the only one. FT is very difficult when it comes to that department. Even if they grant you the refund, many members have never seen that refund or got a code that never worked (me) and they wouldn't send a new one. I might suggest sticking with companies like 101Vape, VapeRoyalty, SweetVapes, etc. You may pay a few dollars more, but the accelerated shipping times and quality customer service is worth it.

Edit: Just noticed you were in Korea.

Would totally go with the ones you mentioned if I were back in the States. As is, it'll be roughly a year before I go back. B&M + online vendors in Korea are ridiculous. Usually 1.5-2x the price for everythign vape-related, from what I've seen and I've been shopping around. Heck- 30 mL of average juice goes for roughly $40. Ugh. $0.60 tax per mL for anything w/ nicotine in it if imported (and detected). Ugh ugh. The force is strong with the tobacco lobby here, it appears.
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@edyle Waiting for the shipping address. Been waiting for the shipping address. I'm sure the rep'll send it to me w/ RMA number (which will be attached to the product) when she feels like it.
 
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Would totally go with the ones you mentioned if I were back in the States. As is, it'll be roughly a year before I go back. B&M + online vendors in Korea are ridiculous. Usually 1.5-2x the price for everythign vape-related, from what I've seen and I've been shopping around. Heck- 30 mL of average juice goes for roughly $40. Ugh. $0.60 tax per mL for anything w/ nicotine in it if imported (and detected). Ugh ugh. The force is strong with the tobacco lobby here, it appears.
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@edyle Waiting for the shipping address. Been waiting for the shipping address. I'm sure the rep'll send it to me w/ RMA number (which will be attached to the product) when she feels like it.

ah! NOW I understand;

And I'll even be generous- one reply (the 4th) was detailed (exact reasons for refund given) and I might understand how she might have missed it. Except other, much simpler replies, both before and after, as well as IN SAID DETAILED REPLY stated, near-verbatim: "ALL ITEMS UNUSED/UNOPENED." And multiple times within the detailed message. (That message was even organized and categorized, somewhat like this post) They've been sitting in a box here, ready to be shipped, just waiting for an address.
I missed that the first time
 

alljokingaside

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FT is NOT a shipper and cannot lose a shipment..they contract a shipper that YOU choose, select and specifically requested......so your post is ridiculous...its like you blaming yourself if U ship something via USPS and they lose it, do you blame yourself?.......all U or the sender (FT in this case) can do is request an investigation to the shipper that U selected into the lost or delayed package..and that's internationally in any country , and with any sender....including yourself..

Please read again or thoroughly before commenting.

Mm, the issue isn't w/ the missing item. The rep I contacted w/r/t that item (Andrea) was really cool. (And, atm, the only reason I'm still considering doing business w/ them) Eventually, she offered a refund. I wasn't expecting that (at least that ...hassle-free- I began to relegate it as lost money), so she was awesome. The reason I mentioned the missing coil heads was to explain why I didn't place a refund ticket immediately after receipt of the Nauti.

The rep I'm dealing now w/r/t the Nauti isn't being very...helpful. Nor is she new (I know she was working there since at least early January). Wide gap in service from amazing to awful within the span of a few days.
 
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alljokingaside

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Ok. So they just blocked me from posting on the forum.

Because I wanted to know about a discrepancy between supposed shipping charge and actual charge, per post from a customer w/ refund experience, it's supposed to be 20% of original unit price. They've charged me 28% and 49% for Nauti Mini and replacement glass, respectively.

Because I expressed dissatisfaction with a customer rep with whom I dealt with in Jan (so I know she's not new) but had issues understanding "unused" and whom I distrust, since if she can't get that right, why should I suppose she got the refund right.

Because I expressed frustration w/ the rep, who was dismissive, slightly robotically condescending, and either ignorant or disingenuous.

And my gripe w/ the Nauti mini: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...spire-nautilus-has-chromed-brass-chimney.html
post #5 expresses my concerns.

I tried posting on FT forums, but they've blocked me. Boop. Since I have gift cert points there, I'll use them, but my next order'll likely be my last w/ FT. Nice job alienating a customer, FT

http://giphy.com/gifs/batman-joker-clap-11OOAQSnUaZT2M

I've worked in customer service before and this is piss poor service. A pity since I've just started my vaping journey and Andrea from FT is awesome. I'd rather not play roulette w/ good rep/bad rep if future issues do arrive. I think I'll buy from other vendors, like gearbest, healthcabibn, US vendors, etc from now on.
 
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I find everything U say to be so opposite of mine and 99.9% of people's experience at FT...

I have never in 2 years seen or heard of FT blocking anybody when they spoke negatively about FT or their CS reps...also I find it very odd the items U are requesting for a newbie wanting a "starter kit"....and I find it extremely odd that U would order something without doing a bit of research first and then U decide to change your mind because some yahoos told you something else, without even trying it first etc...U make no sense and I plain don't believe 1 word U say and think your whole story is untrue and you are here ONLY to bash FT...maybe U are a competitor, with NO business, and are bored, so U fabricate stories since FT is killing your business.....U write well, but your story and actions are total BS...

1 + 1 does NOT = 2 with you..

BTW, the BS story about bad coils etc is very ridiculous...anybody who ever used them , knows better..
 
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