SAVE OUR RIGHT TO VAPE "common kiwis"

[mad maori]

[h=3]Vapeing Petition- SAVE OUR RIGHT TO VAPE[/h]I reckon this is a good idea, im willing to get a petition going to present to various MP's and parliament to "save our right to vape" i tried patches, didn't work for me, the gum made me gag and choke when i chewed it!! theres something weird in that gum!! .. and i wouldn't touch champix with a ten foot pole due to potential health issues and side effects.. for me i was able to use vapeing as a way to stop smoking ciggies. some people have used it to cut down on the number of ciggies they do smoke.. i think vapeing should be a smoking alternative available for kiwi's to use!! many on this forum have quit or cut back on ciggies because of the vape... so lets try and protect our right to vape.. Now i need you help.. how about some suggestions and ideas/statements you would like to see in a petition!!! common guy's fire them at me.. and ill do my best to get something up that we can sign and have friends sign and present this to our politicians.. cheers... am also thinking maybe on-line petition as well.. " IF YOU DONT DO ANYTHING THAN YOU CANT COMPLAIN IF THE RIGHT TO VAPE IS TAKEN AWAY"
so fire away folks!!!!!......................

 

[mad maori]

you bunch of appethetic sheep!!!! pathetic!!! no comments!!! then dont go crying when the minestry of health deals to ecigs, believe you me it will happen!!!

 

[gully]

Sorry MM,dont really come to this bit much.

There has been a tiny bit of talk on the NZ forum but to be honest people seem to be taking a wait and see approach and thinking that it will all be ok.

I could not disagree more,this is the watershed and unless we speak very soon we will get rolled.

I am ready to help but lack the organisational skills to get things going,I do have time though.

Are you BB on kiwi vapers?you dont have to answer that if you dont wish to of course.

 

[kiwivap]

Have I missed some change? Or proposed change?
Really the issue is not whether we can vape, but about the sale of nicotine. I'm not sure a petition will be the way to change that - it would have to be worded very carefully. We can buy ecigs, and even juice, but the nicotine is where the problem is. I am down to 0mg nic now but spent over a year ordering my nic juice from overseas.
I'd have to think about the best way to try and change the nic situation here. I think more education about nicotine would be helpful.

 

[mad maori]

wait and see does seems to be the approach. the problem is the wait. you wait too long then nek minnut.... no more. yea your right k-vap- its not whether we can vape or not. the problem is what the law makers over here do. im concerned that we will end up not being able to import nic and or juice containing nic and the only thing we can get is carto style ezy puff or elusion ect.. while the cig-a-likes are a ok intro to vapeing they are expensive, about $25 for 5 cartos. the price and lack of performance puts a lot of people off, where as a bottle of juice and even a ego battery and a decent clearo gives a heavy ciggie smoker a better alternative. K.V.you may be right that if the issue of nic is pushed the in the limelight the plug may get pulled. maybe education is the key. kiwis are a pretty laid back bunch and apathy may lead to vapeing being steamrolled into oblivion!!

 

[kiwivap]

wait and see does seems to be the approach. the problem is the wait. you wait too long then nek minnut.... no more. yea your right k-vap- its not whether we can vape or not. the problem is what the law makers over here do. im concerned that we will end up not being able to import nic and or juice containing nic and the only thing we can get is carto style ezy puff or elusion ect.. while the cig-a-likes are a ok intro to vapeing they are expensive, about $25 for 5 cartos. the price and lack of performance puts a lot of people off, where as a bottle of juice and even a ego battery and a decent clearo gives a heavy ciggie smoker a better alternative. K.V.you may be right that if the issue of nic is pushed the in the limelight the plug may get pulled. maybe education is the key. kiwis are a pretty laid back bunch and apathy may lead to vapeing being steamrolled into oblivion!!

Yeah - and lol- nek minnut. The price of the local stuff is too high - I started with a Hydro and its $35 for 5 cartos and they are tiny! I haven't tried Elusion - I'd like to know if they have 510 or 808 threads or are another proprietary outfit that lock people into buying their stuff because they aren't compatible. I'd be happy to see some of those ego packets in the shops the ones with an Ego and usb charger.
At the moment I'm not hearing any noise about importing nic. Tariana has been the biggest obstacle as far as I can see - but her party is going through some changes so maybe it will work out better for us.

Naked Vapor are a good outfit. I buy a few things from him, and I do a lot of ordering from different places overseas. But I hear you - it would be nice if vapers were be able to order nic juice here and have it arrive within 2 days.

 

[mattrix]

I dont know how things are over there, but I'd be real careful about promoting it as a smoking cessation product.
Over here that would result in it being lumped with NRT. Then there will have to be clinical trials, and sellers will need a pharmacy license. Read big $$$

And then because it has been made available locally, it would probably be made illegal to import it.

IMHO it needs to be lumped with cigarettes and alcohol as an adult recreational activity. But then both of them are heavily taxed and regulated.

The wait and see attitude, realises that things are probably better now than they will be when its officially recognized.
Its a fine line - just don't wait too long!!

 

[kiwivap]

I dont know how things are over there, but I'd be real careful about promoting it as a smoking cessation product.
Over here that would result in it being lumped with NRT. Then there will have to be clinical trials, and sellers will need a pharmacy license. Read big $$$

And then because it has been made available locally, it would probably be made illegal to import it.

IMHO it needs to be lumped with cigarettes and alcohol as an adult recreational activity. But then both of them are heavily taxed and regulated.

The wait and see attitude, realises that things are probably better now than they will be when its officially recognized.
Its a fine line - just don't wait too long!!

Its illegal to buy and sell nicotine locally - so anything made or sold here is nic free and doesn't need to be classed as medical. Its recreational. I haven't seen the locally distributed products advertised as smoking cessation - there are radio ads that promote vaping as better than smoking.
We can import nic juice for personal use so that's what some people do. Others seem to make do with zero nic. I have been trying to understand the Aus situation - it seems different states have different regulations. It would be nice if NZ and Aus vapers could buy nic juice locally wouldn't it.

 

[mad maori]

you're right k.v. it would be way better if we could get it locally, heck they grow tobacco here so why not make nic for us, then they can tax it- get thier slice of the $$$ and we can vape in peace!!

 

[kiwivap]

you're right k.v. it would be way better if we could get it locally, heck they grow tobacco here so why not make nic for us, then they can tax it- get thier slice of the $$$ and we can vape in peace!!

It would be quicker and cost less on shipping for vapers here for sure.

 

[mattrix]

... use vapeing as a way to stop smoking ciggies. some people have used it to cut down on the number of ciggies they do smoke.. i think vapeing should be a smoking alternative

I don't know what the situation is here , I think its not so much that it is legal to import nic juice, just that its not illegal yet. Although it seem to contravene several bits of legislation.

I'm in the nanny state, hell shops have to hide cigarettes under the counter here.

 

[kiwivap]

I don't know what the situation is here , I think its not so much that it is legal to import nic juice, just that its not illegal yet. Although it seem to contravene several bits of legislation.

I'm in the nanny state, hell shops have to hide cigarettes under the counter here.

They have to hide cigs in cupboards here too now. And I think plain packaging is on the way.

 

[mattrix]

Its illegal to buy and sell nicotine locally -

It appears you are allowed to sell it to us on this side of the Tasman.
www.ecigs.net.nz

 

[mad maori]

yea im sure he's flirting with the law, leagally though - he seems to have nic in both countries and ships to the other. so if you in oz he ships from n.z- if you in n.z and you order he ships from oz.. ive never ordered from them and probaly wont, but gotta admit- ballsy business idea!!! good on him i say!!!

 

[kiwivap]

It appears you are allowed to sell it to us on this side of the Tasman.
Electronic Cigarettes Australia & NZ Pty Ltd - Aussie Blue® Nicotine E-Liquids for Ecigs - The Best E cig E-Liquid

Yep. lol. Its crazy isn't it.

 

[gully]

They should listen to this guy,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/8904251/Vaping-a-healthier-way-for-NZ

 

[nutz4bikez]

Lol you gotta love New Zealand, until recently you could buy legal highs over the counter but not nic