Saving the mod from ever being banned

[tumbafox]

I thought I had an original idea but then found the following thread on ECF so my idea is not original but its worth mentioning in this forum.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/72694-510-atomizer-turned-flashlight-mod.html

Before anyone thinks of moving this thread to the modders forum I think its legal implications should be recognized and considered as a strategy to at least spare our devices from any possible online sales ban.

I was playing around with some of my e-cigs and PV mods along with some CREE Flashlight Heads. Since Cree flashlights use the same batteries as e-cigs and since the e-cig is basically just a battery with a particular kind of threading, I was able to get some of my Cree Flashlight Heads to work off of my mods. It worked.

The above forum link illustrates one way to do it but essentially any PV can be used as a battery source to power a Flashlight Head, Cell Phone Emergency Charger and any other application that uses the 3.7 volt Lithium type battery. Any machinist could easily fabricate an adapter that would turn a mod into a flashlight with the ability to change regular or CREE flashlight heads for a variety of applications. The number of applications for Mods is only limited by our imaginations.

Since the Mod would then become a multipurpose device, it could never be banned as long as there is a legal use for it.

Marketing the devices this way would also enable them to be bought and sold on E-bay and with Paypal. We just don't use the word e-cig. Mod could be sold on e-bay as flashlight and USB power supplies and for other applications as well.

Now this does not protect the ban of atomizers and such but it gets us much closer to a safe haven than we have now.

With nicotine extraction methods, we will always have access to what we need. The FDA is not going to ban PG or VG because they have so many other uses in other industries.

I urge any inventors or machinists or Modders out there to devise a quality adapter that would enable any 510,801,901 threaded battery connector to utilize interchangeable flashlight heads and a 510 to USB adapter.

For those torch enthusiasts among us I think you understand what I am saying.

I carry a 5000 Mah NewTrent external battery pack for my I-phone at all times and I can easily imagine how that device could be modded for e-cig use.

A 510 to USB female receptacle would enable mods to be used for many purposes as the USB connector is such a popular component in the electronics world. Is you have an I-phone you could easily use your mod as emergency power.

You could buy a ton of attys from inexpensive sources so you will be set for life. Add some Pumpcarts to your stash and you will be able to drip till you drop.

Even if DIY flavors were banned, the are many flavored pipe tobacco oils that can probably be used for vaping as well.

The more I think about it, the Government will never be able to stop us from vaping.

 

[Malduk]

Since the Mod would then become a multipurpose device, it could never be banned as long as there is a legal use for it.

Isn't it the other way around? As in: as long as something has illegal use, its banned regardless if you want to use it for something completely different?

But anyway, some people do sell flashlights that work on 510 threading (I think creator of sabertouch made one for his mods).
Again, battery is last thing to worry about. Attys and juices are tricky.

 

[tumbafox]

Isn't it the other way around? As in: as long as something has illegal use, its banned regardless if you want to use it for something completely different?

But anyway, some people do sell flashlights that work on 510 threading (I think creator of sabertouch made one for his mods).
Again, battery is last thing to worry about. Attys and juices are tricky.

As a paralegal I would beg to differ. Almost any product thats sold could have an illegal use. Dish cleaning solution mixed with gasoline could be used to make napalm. A car can be a weapon. A pocket knife can be used for lots of illegal uses. I could list hundreds of example. Fertilizer, chemicals as poisons, a match to start a fire. Just about any product sold can serve some illegal use. Condoms for smuggling. I could write 20 pages of examples of legal products that criminals can find illegal uses for. A credit card to pick a lock. You name it and I will think of an illegal use for it.

 

[tumbafox]

Sabertouch Torchlight from vapormoon is exactly on the money. I love it. Does anyone know of a 510 to USB adapter?

 

[Malduk]

You can also kill a man with a wire from a computer mouse, but I was thinking more in the line of what primary, dominant use of the product is. Guns are illegal in my country, and I can argue I need them to crack nuts. (edited) is illegal here too; we all know it has far more uses than getting high.

510 to USB does exist, as a recharging adapter (see eGo charging adapters for example).

 

[tumbafox]

I think the issue here is U.S. law. And I was not talking about a 510 recharger but rather a male threaded 510 connector with a female USB connector for recharging or powering items like ipods or iphones using a Mod as an external power supply. I would buy one even if I did not vape. Should mods be deemed illegal for vaping, a torch modder need only add a disclaimer simply stating that the product is not intended for vaping. Just as Herbal vaporizers have disclaimers to protect them from liability due to people using herbal vaporizers for what we really know they are using them for. But forum rules prohibit me from being more explicit about what Herbal Vaporizers are really for.

 

[Bill Godshall]

According to Title 1, Section 101 (a) of the FSPTCA,

'tobacco product' means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption

Therefore, the only e-cigarette products that FDA is authorized to regulate (as a tobacco product) are those that contain nicotine (e.g. e-liquid, nicotine containing cartridges, etc.)

I suspect that various folks have different definitions of what they consider to be "Mods", but its important to note that only the components of various e-cigarette products that contain nicotine can be lawfully regulated by the FDA as a tobacco product.

But I strongly suggest reading the thread at
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-products-eliminate-many-most-companies.html
for more details about the many negative ramifications for the e-cigarette industry if the FDA's follows through with its stated intent to promulgate a "deeming" regulation for e-cigarettes (which would apply Chapter IX provisions of the FSPTCA to e-cigarettes).

 

[tumbafox]

I agree totally but their there is a lot of fear it seems among members that the hardware is going to be banned.

 

[JD4x4]

So Bill, the additional wording such as is used in the MRTP guidance document (referring to components, parts, etc) is not in the FSPTCA? If so, that's good. But if PVs ever wind up as MRTP's then I fear the vague wording of the guidance document, and the OP's topic is important, imo.

Directly to the topic .. how about a vaporizer/container attachment to your CREE flashlight? I bet if you formed a bit of tin foil to go on top of one of the hot-running lights, you might get some vapor from a drop of juice.


.. I mean, think about it mechanically. A bulb is a heating device that is used for its' light value rather than its' heat value. Such a waste, imo.

 

[tumbafox]

I searched the full text of the 2009 Tobacco Control Act and not once anywhere is the phrase electronic cigarette or e-cig used.

 

[Vocalek]

I searched the full text of the 2009 Tobacco Control Act and not once anywhere is the phrase electronic cigarette or e-cig used.

That's correct. The only products specified in the Act were cigarettes, roll your own, and smokeless tobacco products.

The FDA has announced that they plan to bring all tobacco products under their spell. There are two passages that might allow this. First, there is the definition of tobacco product:

TITLE I--AUTHORITY OF THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION


[*101] Sec. 101. AMENDMENT OF FEDERAL FOOD, DRUG, AND COSMETIC ACT.

(a) Definition of Tobacco Products.--Section 201 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act ( 21 U.S.C. 321) is amended by adding at the end the following:

"(rr) (1) The term 'tobacco product' means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, including any component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product (except for raw materials other than tobacco used in manufacturing a component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product).

"(2) The term 'tobacco product' does not mean an article that is a drug under subsection (g)(1), a device under subsection (h), or a combination product described in section 503(g).

"(3) The products described in paragraph (2) shall be subject to chapter V of this Act.

"(4) A tobacco product shall not be marketed in combination with any other article or product regulated under this Act (including a drug, biologic, food, cosmetic, medical device, or a dietary supplement).".

And

"Sec. 901. FDA AUTHORITY OVER TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

"(a) In General.--Tobacco products, including modified risk tobacco products for which an order has been issued in accordance with section 911, shall be regulated by the Secretary under this chapter and shall not be subject to the provisions of chapter V.

"(b) Applicability.--This chapter shall apply to all cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco and to any other tobacco products that the Secretary by regulation deems to be subject to this chapter.