http://gizmodo.com/5955339/how-to-rapidly-flavor-any-booze-using-whip+its
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Saw this article, wondered if anyone has tried this with pg instead of booze?
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Um, OK. Can anybody tell me if this is a bad idea? Seems simple enough, but I would like some feedback from the pros.
I'm no pro.. but I did look into making my own flavorings quite thoroughly. This would be a nifty way of extracting flavors however the alcohol is doing a lot of the extracting. I don't think pg would yield good results as it's not going to pull the extracts out in a short amount of time like alcohol would under pressure.
I would be concerned about extracting things you wouldn't want to inhale, the big reason I decided against making my own flavorings for vaping. A fellow vaping chemist I work with came to same conclusion, it's a little more risk then we were willing to take.
I would be concerned about extracting things you wouldn't want to inhale, the big reason I decided against making my own flavorings for vaping. A fellow vaping chemist I work with came to same conclusion, it's a little more risk then we were willing to take.
I haven't tried this process but do however use spiced rum in some of my mixes with really good results.
What kind of bad things? I see people doing their own coffee extractions ect. using PG as it is apparently a good solvent for some things and is an alcohol, so I put 2&2 together when I saw the Gizmodo article. I appreciate the input.
PG is not an alcohol! Almost every liquid including water can be considered a solvent, some more harsh than others. Alcohol is a pretty strong solvent and will/may remove and/or dissolve unwanted ingredients into the alcohol.
Um, PG is a diol or double alcohol and very good at dissolving things that water wont(menthol for one). And yes, water is a great polar solvent which is why we need it for life. But what bad thing are we not trying to get? I have seen threads about flavors that are insoluble in water being used just fine in PG and working out well. As far as I read, most of the concentrated flavors I have now are dissolved in PG but I have no idea what's in them besides PG and "artificial flavors" or "natural flavors" I have read the safe to vape lists and get my flavors from reputable sources, but most of us agree that the flavors are the true wild card for safety as they were made to eat, not to inhale. But are they worse or better than extracting a real fruit, coffee or even tobacco. Who knows, this may even be some of our favorite vendors secret to their flavors
You are right, PG is a "type" of alcohol. It is my understanding that when fermenting plants in PGA you actually destroy the cell membranes and allow the contents of the cell to spill out into your alcohol bath. I don't see PG as being as strong a solvent as straight alcohol but then again I'm no chemist.
Yeah, I was thinking about using PG and not PGA. And what I really want to know is if anyone had tried this before. I've been to a B&M store who swears their flavors are all natural extractions and are pretty awesome. I don't think they're doing this, but I don't know. I've got a gallon of PG (and a fifth of everclear), some fruit, and a whipped cream maker. If anybody does know what "bad stuff" could be extracted or how to mitigate the risks, please inform me. Seems like an experiment is about to happen here As big and experienced as this community is, I wouldn't ever dream I would be the first and I still don't think this true.
As big and experienced as this community is, I wouldn't ever dream I would be the first and I still don't think this true.Edited for typos.
I think I better clarify what I was saying a bit..
Nearly any liquid will leech(read as extract) the substance of solid into itself with enough time. I believe the reason this method works in such a short amount of time is that alcohol is used. If you followed the same process with water your resulting flavor would be much weaker. This method is using two forces at work, pressure and a solvent, to achieve an acceptable level of flavor for a drink. Depending on what you would be using, I don't believe you would get a result concentrated enough for our purposes. This may work better if you added some time to process, days or weeks and used some ethanol(read: drinking alcohol) as a medium. You may want to give the ethanol time to evaporate off, either lightly heating the solution and stirring for sometime or storing in a vented container and mixing it couple times a day. Applying heat to ethanol, is dangerous so the latter maybe a better idea for anyone uncomfortable with the idea.
Keep in mind for the example I am about to use, plenty of people will be reading this and sooner or later someone will decide to try it. Say a thousand people read this and eventual try it, is everyone of them going to put the care and forethought into the what they are doing? That is viewpoint I am speaking from.
As far as extracting things you may not want to inhale, I will use the example of apples. If I ran out and grabbed a bag of apples at the store, chopped them up, made extractions out of them. It turns out great and continue using my apple extraction to flavor my juices without thinking twice that I didn't know the apples were treated with pesticides and then waxed. I don't know if washing them removed the pesticides from under the wax and I don't know what kind of wax was used nor what may be in the wax. Now my resulting extraction process has taken not only the flavor from the apple and concentrated it but everything else in and on the apple as well.
I understand that everything used on the apple, in the concentrations used and the intended method of consumption, were approved by the FDA for use in food. However, the FDA did not approve everything on the apple to be concentrated and inhaled. Example: nicotine, perfectly fine at 24mg/ml to be vaporized and inhaled, certainly doesn't mean 100mg/ml is also safe. Frankly speaking however, you shouldn't take anything the FDA concludes as accurate.
Eating and inhaling are two very different processes that in my short time here I have noticed many people don't acknowledge the difference. Your stomach and intestines provide quite a bit of filtering and protection from chemicals, bacteria and virii. Your lungs do not. The manufacturing of medicines to be taken orally is a very different process than those to be inhaled which resembles the manufacturing of parenteral drugs.
There is far too much to consider let alone the time and the effort involved, this is why my co-worker and I decided it wasn't work the risk to us. I also wonder how the resulting sugar concentrations would perform on an atty, depending on your setup and vape style you could just be clogging up atomizers all day while you inhale burning sugar. I hate to poo poo on the idea as I'm sure there are many great, cheap ways of making great flavors in a home kitchen, I just don't see most people putting the time and effort in to researching a safe way of doing so.
I think I better clarify what I was saying a bit..
Nearly any liquid will leech(read as extract) the substance of solid into itself with enough time. I believe the reason this method works in such a short amount of time is that alcohol is used. If you followed the same process with water your resulting flavor would be much weaker. This method is using two forces at work, pressure and a solvent, to achieve an acceptable level of flavor for a drink. Depending on what you would be using, I don't believe you would get a result concentrated enough for our purposes. This may work better if you added some time to process, days or weeks and used some ethanol(read: drinking alcohol) as a medium. You may want to give the ethanol time to evaporate off, either lightly heating the solution and stirring for sometime or storing in a vented container and mixing it couple times a day. Applying heat to ethanol, is dangerous so the latter maybe a better idea for anyone uncomfortable with the idea.
Keep in mind for the example I am about to use, plenty of people will be reading this and sooner or later someone will decide to try it. Say a thousand people read this and eventual try it, is everyone of them going to put the care and forethought into the what they are doing? That is viewpoint I am speaking from.
As far as extracting things you may not want to inhale, I will use the example of apples. If I ran out and grabbed a bag of apples at the store, chopped them up, made extractions out of them. It turns out great and continue using my apple extraction to flavor my juices without thinking twice that I didn't know the apples were treated with pesticides and then waxed. I don't know if washing them removed the pesticides from under the wax and I don't know what kind of wax was used nor what may be in the wax. Now my resulting extraction process has taken not only the flavor from the apple and concentrated it but everything else in and on the apple as well.
I understand that everything used on the apple, in the concentrations used and the intended method of consumption, were approved by the FDA for use in food. However, the FDA did not approve everything on the apple to be concentrated and inhaled. Example: nicotine, perfectly fine at 24mg/ml to be vaporized and inhaled, certainly doesn't mean 100mg/ml is also safe. Frankly speaking however, you shouldn't take anything the FDA concludes as accurate.
Eating and inhaling are two very different processes that in my short time here I have noticed many people don't acknowledge the difference. Your stomach and intestines provide quite a bit of filtering and protection from chemicals, bacteria and virii. Your lungs do not. The manufacturing of medicines to be taken orally is a very different process than those to be inhaled which resembles the manufacturing of parenteral drugs.
There is far too much to consider let alone the time and the effort involved, this is why my co-worker and I decided it wasn't work the risk to us. I also wonder how the resulting sugar concentrations would perform on an atty, depending on your setup and vape style you could just be clogging up atomizers all day while you inhale burning sugar. I hate to poo poo on the idea as I'm sure there are many great, cheap ways of making great flavors in a home kitchen, I just don't see most people putting the time and effort in to researching a safe way of doing so.
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Thank you. I actually have thought of the pesticide/chemical angle so I understand your concern, share it and also appreciate the general warnings. I would definitely hope people go organic and all natural to try to mitigate such things even though I know even that's no guarantee. I was gonna try coffee first as there are many here doing this easily with heat. Again, I was envisioning using PG as I agree that water would probably be to weak. But in the article linked to, it mentions even with ETOH, some of the extracts take weeks without the pressure and this is a viable way to speed things up quite a bit. Some of the VG extracts I've found here with coffee mention weeks to months before it's done as well. Thanks again for the input.
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