"Second-Hand Smoke" is BS

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angelique510

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I was talking to GIECO yesterday. I already have car insurance with them, and I now need renters insurance. I also got a quote for life insurance and we got into an interesting discussion.

I have to pay a higher premium because I smoke - almost three times the quote they gave for my husband who does not smoke. Even if I had totally quit, the rates remain high for a couple of years. The insurance company gives a blood and urine test to make sure applicants aren't lying about it. I asked about my husband and kids - wouldn't they test as having nicotine in their system because I smoke in the house and they get a lot of "second-hand smoke"? GEICO said no. Nicotine is absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth and through the skin in the case of a patch and is filtered out in urine. Breathing second hand smoke doesn't affect a non-smoker.

To put it crudely - life insurance companies are betting that they will collect more in premiums than they will pay out in claims. The longer you live, the longer you will be paying to them before they have to pay out. They assess risk factors, like heart disease and smoking, and charge a higher rate because they figure people with these risk factors won't live as long and be paying into the pool. You're going to die sooner, they need to get the money from you quicker.

Insurance companies have a vested interest in the health of their clients. One would think, if there was any risk from second hand smoke, they would be all over that and charging higher premiums. So this just shows that those who whine and complain about second hand smoke (and third-hand smoke - what the heck is that anyways?) are full of it and "just blowing smoke up ....."

Unfortunately, insurance companies test for nicotine - not cigarettes. So even if you don't smoke, but vape or use the patch or other NRT - you still have to pay smokers rates.

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Happy Domino38

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Well, we all know that it's not the NICOTINE that causes the harm. It's not the nicotine in second hand smoke that hurts others, it's the carciogens like the tar and all those chemicals.

Of COURSE Insurance companies are expecting to get more in premiums than they are paying for claims..that's the nature of the business! If you're going to LOSE money, you're not going to open a business, are you? That's the whole POINT. For an example, my engagement ring is insured for DOUBLE the price of it. So, doesn't that mean they're stupid? Nope! Why not? Because we pay the premium on THEIR cost of the ring. If I lose it, yes, they'll have to replace it at double the cost, and that's where they take their gambles from.

Insurance companies WILL pay more for smokers. What about the fire risk smokers represent? Long term heath concerns, etc.

I think it's BS that they're testing nicotine to increase your rates though..vapers SHOULD be in a category of their own, but it probaby won't happen in OUR lifetime..
 

Richie G

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Why don't they just test for one of the other 4k chemicals to see if you're "smoking" analogs or not... Seems logical to me. Then you'd really be able to determine whether the client is using the most harmful form of nicotine delivery (analogs) or a safer form (vaping or other smokeless products) f'in idiots.

Nothing f'in idiotic about it all. In fact, it's a great scam for the insurance companies. Vapers (and NRT users) pay the same higher rates as smokers do, so the companies get their (extra) money up front as Angelique explained and the vapers will likely pay it for a longer term. Why in the world would insurance companies want to give that up by testing for REAL carcinogens?

With regard to insurance and applying for a job where one is asked if he/she is a smoker I recommend lying. <g> I don't smoke. Haven't for a long time. Test my blood and find an abundance of nicotine? I eat a LOT of tomatoes and eggplant which contain nicotine. Just one man's opinion, natch...
 

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Most insurance companies consider people as smokers for between 3 and 5 years after they quit. They have two reasons for this. The risks remain higher for ex-smokers for 3 to 5 years and also people who quit will start again many times. If you have quit for a few years, it is much less likely that you would re-start. They have to look at all of this because if they give you a lower rate, then they are stuck with it even if you begin smoking again.
 
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