Second hand vapor?

[Dustbuster]

So whats the word on second hand vapor? Is it a concern? With all of the draconian clean air laws in my city (Ottawa, Ontario Canada) I was surprised to see people puffing away on flavour samples at the e-steam kiosk at the mall. It's great, don't get me wrong, and I got right in there and tried about 15 different kinds, but you practically have to smoke in your house with the blinds closed in this city or face the wrath of the smokenazis.
Has there been any comprehensive studies on second hand vapor? Does it even exist? Is there any nicotine in that big cloud I exhale, or is it all absorbed by the lungs?
These questions are of particular importance to me as I have a 5 year old son. I've always gonne outside to smoke cigarettes, and I'm wondering if I need to do the same with my e-dart or if I can just lay on the couch and puff merrily away while I watch Breaking Bad. Winter is coming, and it would be pretty awesome to not have to put on the parka and step out for a puff. Also, I'm usually pretty baked by about 9, once my boy is asleep and I know he won't get up, and I suffer from a severe case of kush couchlock so it would be nice to be able to lay on the couch with my ice cream, gummy bears and my e-cig. My son's health is paramount though, and comes before convenience. I've always smoked outside so its not like vaping outdoors would be an adjustment. If anything, stepping out to vape will help me to control my consumption. I work outdoors, and I used to go through a pack in a 12 hour shift, and then go home and smoke maybe 3 cigarettes between 6 and midnight, because having to put on shoes and get up and go outside instead of just lighting up keeps me from smoking until I really get the itch.
Any thoughts, comments, smart remarks?

 

[AlexLim]

According to various studies done, there has not been anything bad detected in the 2nd hand vapor expelled from our lungs but out of habit, I tend to step outside to vape too. Been vaping for one plus month now and have really felt much better since giving up on the analogs.

 

[vladzilb]

Not certain of what second hand vapor will do to others. I would just go to another room/bathroom and vape for a few minutes.

 

[Stars N Stripes]

Electronic cigarettes are fairly new and don't have any credible tests for long-term effects. I'd imagine if you had a bathroom with a fan in your bedroom you could just go there, turn on the fan, puff, then leave with the fan on and everything would be fine and you wouldn't need to freeze your ... off.

 

[awsum140]

Check with CASA. There was just a study done by Drexel University that concluded two things, 1- That vaping is safe, and, 2 - That second hand vapor is harmless. Maybe not in those exact words, but the overall conclusions strongly point to those conclusions. Numerous studies have been conducted on vapor, both first and second hand. Some of those studies have shown "harmful" substances in vapor, but have not been duplicated and the way those tests were conducted is very suspect. Remember that PG, propylene glycol, is used to disinfect air circulation systems in hospitals and as a vehicle for inhalation therapy. The other primary chemicals involved are also harmless at the concentrations involved in first or second hand vapor. The remaining flavors are present in such small quantities as to be at the trace level, especially in second hand vapor.

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[Sugar_and_Spice]

Here is a link to the study done in Aug 2013

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

on front page....

 

[wv2win]

Good recommendations to go to CASAA. The Drexel study has conclusively shown that second-hand vapor is harmless.

If vaping is important to you, then please join and support CASAA. Otherwise your option to vape, as we do today, will be taken away.

 

[Jazzi Mike]

Meh, I usually vape where smokers smoke. If I can get away with stealth vaping, I might. Otherwise I don't try to make waves. So many people are always coming up to me asking me about my APV

 

[Vaslovik]

I'm glad someone asked this question:

A new study has confirmed the harmfulness of second hand vapor and provides concrete evidence that it incites elevated blood pressure in social control-freaks as well as episodes of uncontrollable self-righteousness, together with fake coughing and sneezing fits, combative attitudes, and deep resentment of others enjoying themselves, all of which results in elevated levels of corticosteroid hormones which over time may cause the social control-freak to suffer a stroke or heart attack, putting them out of our misery.

 

[Recon Number 54]

Unless a city/municipality starts warning people to stay indoors on foggy mornings out of concern for public health? I'm not buying into it.

Equating secondhand vapor to secondhand smoke is like comparing London Fog to Los Angeles Smog.

 

[tj99959]

Second hand vapor falls in the same category as a barking dog. A nuisance to some, a baying hound is music to my ears.

 

[dice57]

Unless a city/municipality starts warning people to stay indoors on foggy mornings out of concern for public health? I'm not buying into it.

Equating secondhand vapor to secondhand smoke is like comparing London Fog to Los Angeles Smog.

Yes it's dangerous to inhale the atmosphere in many cities especially when there's an inversion zone of atmospheric pressure passing through, and warning's are given and a public announcement occurs telling people to stay indoors.


Think it depends on the flavor of the juice. Know with most flavors I vape, my cats will lift their head and sniff, then lay back down and cuddle up purring, but with one or 2 flavors, will jump up and take off.

Really, 2nd hand vape? Really?? Isn't that like being concerned about inhaling second hand vape while boiling vegetables or 2nd hand vape while steaming my milk for my morning espresso. Would be more concerned about second hand smoke from the neighbors bbq'd steak of burger and especially hot dogs. What the frack is in this mystery meat anyways?

Really? Really? this is a concern of any validity? Really? Really? you want to double down on that blackjack sir? Really? you want to split your 10's.? Really?

 

[Recon Number 54]

Yes it's dangerous to inhale the atmosphere in many cities especially when there's an inversion zone of atmospheric pressure passing through, and warning's are given and a public announcement occurs telling people to stay indoors.

I agree, I could (and should) have phrased that better. I will try again.

Equating secondhand vapor to secondhand smoke is like comparing Mountain Fog to Los Angeles Smog.

Yeah, I like that one better. Much better.

 

[brfrompa]

People seem to think your Walter White...

 

[RosaJ]

Here is a link to the study done in Aug 2013

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

on front page....

I second this post. Seach for the Burstyn/Drexel study. Join CASAA, it's free. Spend some time reading other studies while you're there.

 

[Wolffy]

I think a lot of the problem is 'Born Again Non Smokers'. You know someone that used to go outside to have a smoke with you, quit and two weeks later when they see you light up outdoors start shrieking "How dare you light that vile thing in my presence! I don't have a hole in my body dirty enough to stick a cigarette into!" You know the ones. If successful they tend to become anti smoking crusaders and wish to banish anything that even resembles a cigarette.

It's way more fun to catch them 'sneaking a smoke' two months later.

Unfortunately our society allows too many special interest groups, too much power via politicians who wish to placate potential votes. A strong sentiment of 'If I don't do it no one else should either.' seems to creep into many special interest groups. Until those special interest groups become educated on those things they protest even while it has no impact on their lives, anyone who does anything they deem 'unneeded' will be under attack.

I would suggest educating your local politicians first and then working you way up the ladder to spread the word that the only possible victim is yourself.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I think a lot of the problem is 'Born Again Non Smokers'. You know someone that used to go outside to have a smoke with you, quit and two weeks later when they see you light up outdoors start shrieking "How dare you light that vile thing in my presence! I don't have a hole in my body dirty enough to stick a cigarette into!" You know the ones. If successful they tend to become anti smoking crusaders and wish to banish anything that even resembles a cigarette.

It's way more fun to catch them 'sneaking a smoke' two months later.


Unfortunately our society allows too many special interest groups, too much power via politicians who wish to placate potential votes. A strong sentiment of 'If I don't do it no one else should either.' seems to creep into many special interest groups. Until those special interest groups become educated on those things they protest even while it has no impact on their lives, anyone who does anything they deem 'unneeded' will be under attack.

I would suggest educating your local politicians first and then working you way up the ladder to spread the word that the only possible victim is yourself.

I do suppose that misery loves company has something to do with this. They seem to want to make us suffer as they did going 'cold turkey'. Funny thing is, we pay taxes also.

 

[godek]

Second hand vapor contaminates the air about as much as boiling potatoes.

There is the flavour, some taste good to a bystander, some don't, but there is no real world risk from it.

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[awsum140]

I think one of the key things to remember is that it is "second hand vapor" and not "second hand smoke". There is virtually no particulate matter in it and none of the byproducts of combustion of chemically treated tobacco. It is, essentially, nothing more than water vapor with some trace chemicals of the flavorings used and a few other chemicals, the key being "trace amounts".

The political correctness crowd, also known as control freaks, seem to get the headlines, though, especially with unfounded, unsupportable claims, the wilder the better. The lamestream media love them, great headlines.

 

[PeteC2]

While not "inert", clearly vapor from an ecig dissipates far differently than smoke. I can vape all day in my home office, yet it has no residual odor/scent whatsoever, nor is their any build up residue on walls/furniture/drapes, etc.

Not at all pretending any scientific proof, but short of blowing a plume of vapor directly in another person's face (and who would do that?), I have no concerns that I may be compromising anybody's health.

Although I am certainly concious of trying not to offend folks, I believe that one should expand theri vaping beyond normal smoking locations. Vaping deserves, and needs to be separated from smoking, and if no vapers become accustomed to seeing vapers in non smoking environments, and realize that they are not smelling or getting any undesireable smell or effects form it, that is all to the good.