Perhap reading the NZ report on the ruyan ecig would help http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf
Second Hand e-Smoke
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"and probably contains almost no nicotine"
Everyone is only brave enough to say "probably". I would be much happier if exhaled vapor was thoroughly studied by a respected institution. It would be sooooo nice to be able to tell the antis EXACTLY what I'm putting into the air and be able to show irrefutable proof.
Everyone is only brave enough to say "probably". I would be much happier if exhaled vapor was thoroughly studied by a respected institution. It would be sooooo nice to be able to tell the antis EXACTLY what I'm putting into the air and be able to show irrefutable proof.
You're absolutely right. Probably the only real problem with those studies is connected with a bunch of small green pieces of paper with presidents' portraits. No more no less.
My brother moaned at me the other day and wafted/pushed my vape away from him, I cried with laughter - he was pushing my strawberry smelling water vapour away from him and inhaling rolled up tobacco cigarettes (which he was happy blowing around me btw)
I told him to go eat a potato and report back to me when that killed him....
I told him to go eat a potato and report back to me when that killed him....
I am not at all concerned.
Just breathing is dangerous. What if I have a virus and the viral particles are carried on tiny water vapor droplets from my lungs that can't even be seen because I'm not vaping? I suspect millions of people worldwide become ill every year simply from being in proximity to other human beings who have the audacity to breathe! And let's not forget the very real hazards of shaking hands, sneezes, coughs and more!
And right now I am chewing green apple flavored gum. The flavor compounds are so powerful that people have noted its smell in passing; demonstrating that at least SOME of those artificial flavoring compounds (and who knows what they are because they are proprietary) have been volatilized and are now being breathed in by those around me. How do we know these compounds aren't super-carcinogens? What if some nearby kid has an allergy, goes into shock and dies?
And let's not forget that some places are perfume-free-zones because, of course, that little dab of "Nude" by Bill Blass underneath my hair at the nape of my neck is going to strike some poor unsuspecting bystander dead on the spot!
I'm trying to say this somewhat politely, but my sentiment is not exactly polite.
A few generations ago Manifest Destiny was fulfilled by people braving all manner of risk and privation in a world without antibiotics, x-ray machines, cell phones and Coca Cola. These people's descendants survived the dustbowl, the Great Depression, the Civil War and amputations sterilized through cauterization.
And their grandchildren flop over dead at a waft of PERFUME?
What we have is a population of people who are so pampered, so protected, so much their parent's little protected darlings that they have nothing more important to worry about than my exhalation of the exact same substances that they just ate for lunch.
No, I am not at all worried about health risks to third parties from my exhaled vapor. The biggest risks from my exhaled vapor are that someone will trip on his shoelaces while 'running to mommy' to complain and break his neck. Or, if he isn't a pansy he might accidentally walk into a wall while craning his neck to look at how fetching I look exhaling and holding my purple XL battery and pink cartomizer.
Just breathing is dangerous. What if I have a virus and the viral particles are carried on tiny water vapor droplets from my lungs that can't even be seen because I'm not vaping? I suspect millions of people worldwide become ill every year simply from being in proximity to other human beings who have the audacity to breathe! And let's not forget the very real hazards of shaking hands, sneezes, coughs and more!
And right now I am chewing green apple flavored gum. The flavor compounds are so powerful that people have noted its smell in passing; demonstrating that at least SOME of those artificial flavoring compounds (and who knows what they are because they are proprietary) have been volatilized and are now being breathed in by those around me. How do we know these compounds aren't super-carcinogens? What if some nearby kid has an allergy, goes into shock and dies?
And let's not forget that some places are perfume-free-zones because, of course, that little dab of "Nude" by Bill Blass underneath my hair at the nape of my neck is going to strike some poor unsuspecting bystander dead on the spot!
I'm trying to say this somewhat politely, but my sentiment is not exactly polite.
A few generations ago Manifest Destiny was fulfilled by people braving all manner of risk and privation in a world without antibiotics, x-ray machines, cell phones and Coca Cola. These people's descendants survived the dustbowl, the Great Depression, the Civil War and amputations sterilized through cauterization.
And their grandchildren flop over dead at a waft of PERFUME?
What we have is a population of people who are so pampered, so protected, so much their parent's little protected darlings that they have nothing more important to worry about than my exhalation of the exact same substances that they just ate for lunch.
No, I am not at all worried about health risks to third parties from my exhaled vapor. The biggest risks from my exhaled vapor are that someone will trip on his shoelaces while 'running to mommy' to complain and break his neck. Or, if he isn't a pansy he might accidentally walk into a wall while craning his neck to look at how fetching I look exhaling and holding my purple XL battery and pink cartomizer.
Me? A bad day? Bill Blass was a quintessentially American fashion designer combining straight architectural elements with glamor in a very unique way. To me, Bill Blass really demonstrated that America can stand on its own in terms of fashion without need of Europe. His fashion house still persists and if you check out some of their work I think you'll agree that the elegance, sophistication and glamor are unparalleled. This same comes through in "Nude" -- a unique perfume that was designed by his fashion house.
Naw, I'm not having a bad day. I just like to put risks and concerns in perspective! If you look closely enough practically anything is dangerous to some degree; but we can't have a society full of boys in a bubble either. No risks = no rewards.
Naw, I'm not having a bad day. I just like to put risks and concerns in perspective! If you look closely enough practically anything is dangerous to some degree; but we can't have a society full of boys in a bubble either. No risks = no rewards.
You're absolutely right, brittanyNI! And you explained that in a very elegant way. I wish my writing would be so precise and elegant.
I can only add that even smelling those perfumes you mentioned could be very dangerous. One can fall. Fall in love, to be precise.
It is funny how the funding of a research project, or the threat of no more funding, can Significantly influence the results.
You're absolutely right, brittanyNI! And you explained that in a very elegant way. I wish my writing would be so precise and elegant.
I can only add that even smelling those perfumes you mentioned could be very dangerous. One can fall. Fall in love, to be precise.
Ah! I am nearly blushing Sir! But indeed, that is the entire point of the perfume. A man's war of indecision, balanced between caution and desire balances upon a razor's edge but more often than not swings to caution. The point of the perfume is to put my finger on the scale a little bit so that desire wins and caution is thrown to the winds.
You'd likely not notice unless you were within my personal space anyway. And once you are inside my personal space it seems to me that a dab of nice perfume is no different than clean teeth, the result of hair foils or a significant glance. It's not as if a single drop of perfume all by itself can sap your will. It just bends the scales a bit, no different than you getting a haircut.
Now that's interesting... Men really are so simple. I always thought that it's just a question of binding of some complex molecules present in the perfume to the olfactory receptor neurons leading to opening of ion channels causing the influx of Na and Ca cations... Hey brittanyNI - doesn't THAT sound romantic?
I always thought that it's just a question of binding of some complex molecules present in the perfume to the olfactory receptor neurons leading to opening of ion channels causing the influx of Na and Ca cations... Hey brittanyNI - doesn't THAT sound romantic?
Leave it to a chemist to spoil the fun!
... I always thought that it's just a question of binding of some complex molecules present in the perfume to the olfactory receptor neurons leading to opening of ion channels causing the influx of Na and Ca cations... Hey brittanyNI - doesn't THAT sound romantic?
Perhaps a bit more romantic than the notion of pheromones related to my fertility tickling a man's vomeronasal organ. I strongly suspect that the very best perfumes have molecules that fit just as though they were pheromones. Now, if I could mix up some e-liquid that had that effect when exhaled and was harmless to myself, I think I'd be on to something!
Spoil? Hey... chemistry IS fun. There's no other way of getting alcohol. Long live chemistry and the chemists!Leave it to a chemist to spoil the fun!
No, not touchy, just very proud of being a WAC, and don't want it confused with anything else. WAC was disbanded in 1978, so we're a dying breed (literally).
Oh!! No problem with bactracing.... I had to rip my bedroom apart, OMG, the smell from the analogs was HORRIBLE! I didn't realize the globes on my dimming lights were white, until I washed them! Carpet washed, with bleach, the walls, ceiling, furniture, all washed..... Now, have to have all my clothes rewashed.
I have to buy 2 more Leos, and 2 more 4081 passthrus' (for my dd and her b/f), then no one will be permitted to use an analog in this house again. I'm shocked at how fast my sense of smell returned.
I do remember WACs. Didn't realize the disbanding date. Have no Leos but recently obtained a Lea. Nice tank system IMO. Classy little device IMO. Maybe consider for the parrot once a bit older? Never can tell, there might be a demand for some sunflower flavored juice down the road. Probably best to stay away from grape flavored juice yourself as you might be accused of corrupting the youth. Best not to second hand any grape vapor in the parrots direction. If not careful you may end up with constant "Vape grape, mate. Vape grape, mate. Vape grape, mate." "W", "A", "C". "W", "A", "C". "Blow at me." "Blow at me." "Lea for me-a." I'm thinking - to minimize problems - it may be best that we not direct our second hand vape in casual directions.
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