Secondhand vapor....

[skoony]

Seriously?
Do you really not understand vaping is new and hasn't be around long enough to DO any long term research.
I'd love for it to be found safe.

But anyone saying there are absolutely no dangerous long term effects are just lying because they cannot know.

yes really.
don't you understand the current studies already out there?
does any one of theses studies even hint there may be long
term problems of any significance?
when the science is on my side i most certainly can say
any long term effects will be non-existent or minimal at worst.
why you would consider that lying is beyond me. does that mean
others can hide behind the we don't know and use it as a justification
to make others bow to there demands? is there some high moral ground
i'm missing?
it is what it is.
regards
mike

 

[roxynoodle]

I had an allergic reaction a year ago to an e liquid flavoring. I don't see why that might not happen to a sensitive individual second hand, especially in a room or car where the fog may be accumulating.

As far as whether it could cause cancer or a respiratory disease, current studies do seem to indicate that's unlikely, but obviously we have no long term data. And since most of us smoked, anything that shows up in a family member/someone we live with, if it does, it could be attributed to that.

 

[Wraith504]

Dated non=smoking hubby for a yr. Married 38 yrs. He had sinus problems (I didn't) and his snoring rattled the windows. Last two yrs. I've vaped and HIS sinuses cleared up and snoring has gone way down.....mine too! Of course, we do not spend a whole lot of time downtown or in traffic either......around cows, pigs and chickens ....or anything that emits gases of some sort. BUT, I do have a problem going down the laundry aisle in a supermarket or through the cosmetic section of a department store!

Ought to add, I have no problem with hair spray, deodorant and room freshener.....grilled, fried and cooked foods in general. Dad, siblings and myself loved shellfish of any sort. Mother highly alergic. Couldn't even be in same room or vacinity of any of it cooking or would break out in hives from the vapor from boiling.

All the added moisture/humidity in the air is helping the snoring/breathing.

 

[Vaslovik]

A while back I watched a Penn and Teller BS show on second hand smoke, showing pretty conclusively that all the hoopla about it was pure BS. It's even more so with second hand vapor. Anything people can make an issue of they will anymore, regardless of how ridiculous and petty they have to be to do it. I once had someone come marching 100 yards across an open field to give me grief about my vaping from way over there. There's just too much of that going on anymore. And now we have the ridiculous invention of "micro-aggressions" in which people read hostility into the tiniest look or gesture from another. I really wish people would just stop it.

 

[Bad Ninja]

"Unlikely to cause harm" are words I can live with. That's not stating a proven fact.
Lol
Don't hate on me because I won't give up my integrity and jump on a bandwagon without peer reviewed long term facts.

 

[skoony]

"Unlikely to cause harm" are words I can live with. That's not stating a proven fact.
Lol
Don't hate on me because I won't give up my integrity and jump on a bandwagon without peer reviewed long term facts.

i see your point but its also the problem.
hiding behind peer reviewed long term studies is what is turning this
country into a nanny state.
i personally choose to fall on the positive side when there is
no indication of a negative.

regards
mike

 

[Bad Ninja]

i see your point but its also the problem.
hiding behind peer reviewed long term studies is what is turning this
country into a nanny state.
i personally choose to fall on the positive side when there is
no indication of a negative.

regards
mike

Who's hiding?
I'm an extremely avid vaper who supports vaping.
I have over 110 mods, 20lbs of attys and I DIY juice.
I've worked for several B&Ms.
I love this industry and I believe vaping is relatively safe.

However, going the extra step and saying for certain just isn't being honest.
Sometimes the truth stings a little, but it's a hell of a lot better than a lie.

I'm willing to risk vaping.
I've risked scuba diving, drag racing, dirk bikes, boats, air travel, etc.
None of these are 100% "safe".
We take risks everyday

Until we have time to see what happens, there could be a risk.

That doesn't mean we should ban vaping, we just need to be aware there could be a risk, and not lie to ourselves.
We are all adults and we can make educated choices for ourselves.

 

[skoony]

Who's hiding?
I'm an extremely avid vaper who supports vaping.
I have over 110 mods, 20lbs of attys and I DIY juice.
I've worked for several B&Ms.
I love this industry and I believe vaping is relatively safe.

However, going the extra step and saying for certain just isn't being honest.
Sometimes the truth stings a little, but it's a hell of a lot better than a lie.

I'm willing to risk vaping.
I've risked scuba diving, drag racing, dirk bikes, boats, air travel, etc.
None of these are 100% "safe".
We take risks everyday

Until we have time to see what happens, there could be a risk.

That doesn't mean we should ban vaping, we just need to be aware there could be a risk, and not lie to ourselves.
We are all adults and we can make educated choices for ourselves.

where do you come up with the lying part?
i can say there will be no major long term health effects
with just as much moral and ethical certainty as any one
else can claim otherwise.

regards
mike

 

[DC2]

Open invitation to anyone who thinks there could possibly be serious second-hand vapor risks to bystanders.

Come out and see me in Brooklyn sometime...
I've got a bridge that might interest you.

I still haven't seen any peer reviewed long term studies...

If you feel this way, what are your feelings on the Czech Republic and their lack of vaping bans?

 

[stevegmu]

Open invitation to anyone who thinks there could possibly be serious second-hand vapor risks to bystanders.

Come out and see me in Brooklyn sometime...
I've got a bridge that might interest you.


If you feel this way, what are your feelings on the Czech Republic and their lack of vaping bans?

People there are tougher. It is the tourists whose eyes water at pubs due to the cigarette smoke, or fake cough around smokers or vapers, not the locals...

I don't go nutz in public, even though vaping is accepted virtually everywhere. At the airport? Sure. In a taxi, if the driver is vaping? Why not? At a bar or restaurant which does not allow smoking? Depends on the situation. In enclosed spaces with people I don't know? No. Around Petu'lka even though she chain smokes? With caution. I blow my mighty clouds away from her. She used to like guess my vape, but not since her asthma has gotten worse. Around Sandra? Cautiously. She's as pure as the driven snow and doesn't need the nicotine...

 

[Bad Ninja]

where do you come up with the lying part?
i can say there will be no major long term health effects
with just as much moral and ethical certainty as any one
else can claim otherwise.

regards
mike

Please link me to the peer reviewed study that shows LONG TERM exposure isn't harmful, or just admit the truth, that one doesn't exist.
You can say based on current studies vaping is UNLIKELY To have harmful long term effects, but you can't be sure until you actually had someone be exposed for a LONG TERM.

Vaping is still too new. I

That's a fact.
If you can't understand the facts I can't help ya.

Some thing's just can't be fixed ( that's a Ron White reference)

 

[DC2]

This thread IS about second-hand vapor, right?
I'm not sure but it seems some people might be mixing different topics.

 

[Mark Todd]

Are you saying Todd lied about someone else being affected and himself being affected by nicotine in a room full of vapers?

Is this myself you are referring to?

 

[stevegmu]

Is this myself you are referring to?

If you are the one with the video concerning second hand vape, then yes..,

 

[Mark Todd]

Not something I ever remember discussing in great detail.

If I did then it would have been my personal viewpoint and based on my experience but I am in no position to give scientific evidence.

Quite simply because I'm no scientist

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[stevegmu]

Not something I ever remember discussing in great detail.

If I did then it would have been my personal viewpoint and based on my experience but I am in no position to give scientific evidence.

Quite simply because I'm no scientist

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Must be a differentTodd. He was going on about someone having a bad reaction to second hand vapor and how he could feel the nicotine being around a group of vapers..

I found it. It was a different Todd; Rip Trippers...

 

[Jman8]

I wish The Onion would do an article on secondhand vapor.

It would humor me as much as some of the posts on this thread.

Oh nos! Somebody exhaled 2 micrograms of diacetyl 8 feet away from me. I'm gonna die! And not just a normal death, but the irreversible kind.

 

[AndriaD]

I wish The Onion would do an article on secondhand vapor.

It would humor me as much as some of the posts on this thread.

Oh nos! Somebody exhaled 2 micrograms of diacetyl 8 feet away from me. I'm gonna die! And not just a normal death, but the irreversible kind.

YOU should write it. That'd be hilarious.

Andria

 

[skoony]

Please link me to the peer reviewed study that shows LONG TERM exposure isn't harmful, or just admit the truth, that one doesn't exist.
You can say based on current studies vaping is UNLIKELY To have harmful long term effects, but you can't be sure until you actually had someone be exposed for a LONG TERM.

Vaping is still too new. I

That's a fact.
If you can't understand the facts I can't help ya.

Some thing's just can't be fixed ( that's a Ron White reference)

vaping in the form we use it is almost 10 years old.
forms similar have been around a lot longer.
what about aroma therapy? they found out pretty
quick some of those oils can be harmful because,
they caused harm. harm to the people doing aroma
therapy. they didn't need any peer reviewed 20-30
year study.
i am am waiting for the long term peered reviewed study
that shows shows vaping is as safe as the science already
says it is.
speaking off facts,what facts? an unknown is an unknown.
it is formless,a specter,vapor in the wind,bereft of substance
or value.there are no facts until they exist.
so therefore i choose to go with what we know not with
doesn't exist.

regards
mike

 

[Bad Ninja]

speaking off facts,what facts? an unknown is an unknown.
it is formless,a specter,vapor in the wind,bereft of substance
or value.there are no facts until they exist.
so therefore i choose to go with what we know not with
doesn't exist.

regards
mike

I give up.