The only argument they might get to work is a "goback to the old ways." It would only work on the young or the ignorant, and its only practical basis would be the "inherent danger" of using such modern technology as a means of direct consumption. However, I do not expect the accompanying mass social movement required to sustain such as a reasonable argument to occur for another 10-15 years.
Seems like there is a big push lately
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I'm not afraid, if they ban everything I have enough mods and atties and base VG nicotine to last for my lifetime. My Nic is suspended in all VG which lasts longer for storing than PG and I have enough 100mg nicotine to last me for 65 years!! I'll be long dead and gone before the nicotine is, so I'm happy.
Only thing I'm worried about is my nicotine not lasting for 60+ years... I have stored it in freezer since I've bought and MFS uses the stuff (argon maybe?) That takes oxygen out of the bottle. I am just not sure how long nic will store for. I've heard a guy say he stored some for 10 years so far with unnoticeable degradation but what about 60 years?
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Only thing I'm worried about is my nicotine not lasting for 60+ years... I have stored it in freezer since I've bought and MFS uses the stuff (argon maybe?) That takes oxygen out of the bottle. I am just not sure how long nic will store for. I've heard a guy say he stored some for 10 years so far with unnoticeable degradation but what about 60 years?
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The degradation is, I believe, a half-life thing (ie, it doesn't degrade linearly - it gets half as potent in a set amount of time, so 100mg goes to the effectiveness of 50mg in X days/months and then to 25mg in that same X time, 12.5mg in another X, etc.).
What this means is that it doesn't go 'bad', you'd just need to ramp up the amount you use in DIY to get the same effect, so your 65 years would end up being less - how much so, depends on the half life (rate of degradation). Not sure what that might be when frozen, but it's hella less than if you put it in a window sill... in Arizona.
You can get nic testing kits for ~$15 that would let you test the effective nic level at any time so you'd know how much to use in mixing.
What this means is that it doesn't go 'bad', you'd just need to ramp up the amount you use in DIY to get the same effect, so your 65 years would end up being less - how much so, depends on the half life (rate of degradation). Not sure what that might be when frozen, but it's hella less than if you put it in a window sill... in Arizona.
You can get nic testing kits for ~$15 that would let you test the effective nic level at any time so you'd know how much to use in mixing.
how come you can't put it in a freezer? Just to add some more to your shopping list......if it's a matter of a freezer being shared with others, there are quite a few good locking ones for $150-ish that a lot of folks have bought just for their nic. Walmart has some on roll back now. I can ask on the porch for the link of one a friend bought.
Cuz they were too frozen to fight back! lol Wait til they thaw, then you'll hear from em (for a month) lol
Need to get nic stocked up. But that's gonna take me a while. First need to find out which nic I like enough to stock up on. Many love MFS, some say it's peppery. Got a gallon each of pg and vg that will be here Tuesday.
Mark (I think it was) I have no idea of course.....but our resident ECF chemist kurt kistler says that nic stores better in pg than in vg and also mixes better in pg. With your stored nic, that's a moot point now, but thought I'd toss it out there for others so they can look into it. I vape mostly pg and because of that will get mine in pg unless I hear otherwise before I buy it.
Texas has totally let me down....... the Tx senate passed a stupid bill that says anything e cig related that you buy online has now got to come with an extra 6.00 charge because you have to sign for it, and they'll check your ID. Really? Kids will just have it sent to a friend who's 18. Meanwhile folks who work have to pay more for more inconvenience. That is if the house passes it also......not sure when they're gonna vote on it. It's idiotic. We used to not put up with crap like that in Texas!
i'm 63. i'm hoping my 7 liters of freezer-stored 100mg may last a couple years...
i dumped cable a few months ago so haven't seen any anti-vaping ads on tv.
but based on what unsure and catmommy said about the ads in cali, i'd be royally ...... if i saw them
i dumped cable a few months ago so haven't seen any anti-vaping ads on tv.
but based on what unsure and catmommy said about the ads in cali, i'd be royally ...... if i saw them
I do have a chest freezer, but it's in storage. Mom still isn't thrilled about my Vaping and still asks how long I "need to use that thing." Dad doesn't say anything, so I don't know if he knows or not. I don't want to risk one of them throwing out my Nic. If also rather not push the envelope so to speak. I've thought about a mini fridge or even a 6-pack fridge just to store it until I have a FT job and my own place, but will it store ok in a regular fridge as compared to a true freezer? I also have a good saver, so vacuum sealing the Nic bottle in a bag isn't a problem.
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I'm not really sure hun. Everything I've heard says to freeze it, since there is so much more condensation in the fridge. But maybe it would really depend on how long. That stinks that they aren't behind you more on this, but very kewl that you still have your parents and they're able to help you out for now.
I wish they were more supportive. It kinda stinks - I was almost better off smoking in their eyes than I am vaping. I have to be careful using my Reo inside as there is greater vapor production, I have to stash my gear in boxes so they don't see how much I have...sheesh...I feel like a kid trying not to get caught with a Playgirl or something. lol
You have nice parents, that are willing to support their adult child financially when they are not doing so for themselves. Not everyone is able to say that.
I have started stockpiling mods(mechs that will likely outlast me) kanthal, cc rayon, etc. Am also starting to get into DIY. I don't trust the g'ment to use wise judgement on anything.
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Wouldn't worry about it, bud. Even if somehow nic is banned for recreational use, we'll still be able to source it from science houses. Just start building your diy chops. It's really not hard at all. Just play with recipes for a few weeks or months until you find something that approaches an ADV, then start minor iterations on it. Mine's custard. Hoo boy do I love the custards. So, I found a mix of custard and vanilla flavors that can ADV for me, and then I started adding lemon, or strawberry, or blueberry, or hazelnut, or cookie, or cheesecake, or, or, or, or... and I have dozens if not hundreds of vapable options to keep my palate from getting bored. Diy is easy, CHEAP!!!, and virtually unbannable, so long as you're the slightest bit creative.
Or you could go the route that many of our compatriots have and embrace the unflavored life. I've stated my reason for not digging that option so much (hint: to me it tastes like something that rhymes with mex tube...which isn't an unpleasant taste by a long stretch, but not what I'm looking to vape), but lots and lots of folk here dig it. And honestly, that seems to be the least risky vaping option, if you can find yourself...ahem...satisfied with the flavor.
I've been doing diy for almost a year and half, my adv use to be straight watermelon, and once in a while unflavored to get my tastes back. Now it's froop loop flavor. I have multiple kinds. Love it. I am stocked up on DIY for 60+ years on nicotine and probably 30 years on flavoring. Vg will always be available so not worried on that!
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7 liters of 100 mg/ml would last me around 42 years!
The rate of chemical reaction slows with lower temps, so a fridge will be much better than room temp and a freezer still better.
Perhaps you could rent a cold storage shelf.
Ahhh my fault. For some reason I thought I read that you said that you were interested in getting into diy. I must have just been crazy for a moment. Or dumb, but let's just stick with crazy. It makes me feel a little better about myself.
You make such an excellent point and you are totally correct, however...
notice the music used in these ads?, they aren't geared to millennials, X'ers or even late boomers...these are geared toward grandma and grandpa to scare the $h#t out of them that these new e-ciggy things are killing their grand babies...and Grandma and Grandpa are a HUGE voting block.
Yep - good point. I have no illusions that the makers are all that ignorant of the full facts about vaping - the technique is to "appeal" to the well-intentioned uninformed by coming off 'in the know' but not educating and instead positing a "reasonable" negative proposition/conclusion. Caring grandparents would be just the ticket.
Posting online, then, would be a gaff as it submits the statement to public opinion - one that is dominated by a younger, more cynical (and vitriolic) demographic.
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