I guess if the issued date was over 18 years ago that might infer you must be older than 18. That, or a 14 year old kid reading the numbers of their parent's 19 year old credit card. Besides, the only card I know of with an issue date is Amex, so you're out of luck with Visa/MC.
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I guess if the issued date was over 18 years ago that might infer you must be older than 18. That, or a 14 year old kid reading the numbers of their parent's 19 year old credit card. Besides, the only card I know of with an issue date is Amex, so you're out of luck with Visa/MC.
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It is printed right on my card "Member since 19XX", so I assume that information is not a secret and would be available to any legitimate company that would make the inquiry. And since 3 other online vendors managed to verify my age without me submitting any additional information, it must not be that difficult without the information they demanded. But I have no way of knowing if those 3 vendors actually verify age.
The whole system is a joke that this company is taking far too seriously. Since their attitude is give us whatever we want or go away, I did.
If I was making the purchase in person, I would show my ID for proof of age without qualms. So here, we are wanting to make online purchases, for better deals and selection than our local B&M has as well as for convenience sake.
We have a choice, go through whatever age verification process our chosen online vendors have, or ask for age verification through the post office at time of delivery, which is around 12 dollars a shipment.
For me, the deals are no longer deals if I pay a fortune for delivery and therefore, not worth the cost.
I have no problem choosing a couple select vendors that I feel are trustworthy enough to show them a copy of my id, properly blacked out of course. They cannot see me, and they have to follow the law to stay in business. Underage sales fines are no joke, and I want my preferred vendors to stay in business.
So I don't have a problem with it. People who do have a problem with it, can always visit their local b&m and miss out on the deals and selection that online shopping provides.
It's a choice, it's always a choice. My choices may not be yours, but your choices are yours to make. But if it's about whining and complaining, then complain to the government, they are the ones who decided it's illegal to sell to kids. And vendors cannot see your wrinkles.
Member since means nothing to be honest since a parent can get an additional card on the same account for a underage child like a prodigy who graduated HS at 14 so they can go to college. Think about the many reasons a teen could have a credit card.
I do the front with extra info blacked out, but I don't see why they need the back of said ID. I understand perfectly well why they asked for ID as I look and sound like a 14 year old, specially over the phone. Its a blessing and a curse. I went in for a common medical procedure on friday and the lady at the front desk almost had a heart attack saying where's your parent/guardian... Gave her my ID and said I'm 27. 
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I agree it's a choice.
My issue still is about sending hard copy of Id's. Yes, there are vendor's I've used for years whom I trust enough to register have my credit card on their site to ease purchases, none of them asked for my ID though.
My wrinkles alone show I am old enough when I but items in person.
I have purchased wine and liquor over the internet and tgge verification process did not require hard copy of my I'D.
I understand that age verification varies from state to state, and also realize that the requirement is a pain in the was for vendor's too.
We all need to realize th at the government did not get involved to protect kids poor anyone's health. It was big tobacco pushing congress alone with contributions. The basic law itself was written by tobacco company lobbyists.
Yes, I'm .....ing. But not whining. .....ing is a legit complaint, whining is a childish complaint made in an annoying manner.
My issue still is about sending hard copy of Id's. Yes, there are vendor's I've used for years whom I trust enough to register have my credit card on their site to ease purchases, none of them asked for my ID though.
My wrinkles alone show I am old enough when I but items in person.
I have purchased wine and liquor over the internet and tgge verification process did not require hard copy of my I'D.
I understand that age verification varies from state to state, and also realize that the requirement is a pain in the was for vendor's too.
We all need to realize th at the government did not get involved to protect kids poor anyone's health. It was big tobacco pushing congress alone with contributions. The basic law itself was written by tobacco company lobbyists.
Yes, I'm .....ing. But not whining. .....ing is a legit complaint, whining is a childish complaint made in an annoying manner.
No one has ever asked me for a hard copy of my ID, ever. If they did I would tell them no, as I'm not mailing my ID to anyone, ever.
But I have been asked twice for a picture of my ID, told both times I can blank out everything but the pertinent information they need, which is information I've already given them anyway. (DOB, name and address)
I don't have a problem with that, as I'm giving them that information anyway. They don't need my license number, height, weight etc, just information I'm giving them..
I think a lot of vendors did not know what to do or how to address the age verification process, especially in the beginning, and each settled on what they saw as the best they could do to follow the law..
I've never bought anything over the internet before vaping that required me to be above the age of 18, so I can't say if they did it right or wrong, but I do know that with the excessive amount of scrutiny from government, especially right now concerning new laws and regulations, these businesses are just doing their best not to have their doors shut by government officials.
There isn't the same type of scrutiny on any other business right now.. they aren't just now coming under regulatory oversight for the first time - these other businesses have been in business for a 100 years or more, have an ongoing and pleasant relationship with government who isn't trying to enforce a near prohibition on them..
All that is passed, for all but vaping. I can at least understand the pressure they are under right now.. and I support them how I am able and feel comfortable with.
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Ah, the countless times I've seen vapers and vaping organizations say something along these lines:
"We see the need for reasonable regulations and of course we fully support prohibiting sales to minors."
Quite a stretch in your effort to take a side or induce disagreement.
And every single submission of the required proof of age means absolutely nothing, nothing at all since there is no way to confirm said documentation identifies the person placing and receiving the order.
Not quite a stretch but rather just one possibility in a situation with multiple possibilities and my statement was not meant to be argumentative and was not stated in such a way to start an argument. But your statement was definitely posed to be argumentative. At least in my opinion.
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I'm surprised none have began using digi-sign and, asking us to digitally sign a legally binding certification that we are of legal age to purchase vaping products in our place of residence.
I have signed several contracts and non disclosure agreements via digi sign and, those are legally binding, same as if I had signed them in person. That would eliminate the need for sending copies of ID and, asuage vendors of the responsibility for further age verification - if it is found the customer lied - they or thier parent(s)/ guardian(s)are legally liable, not the vendor.
I have signed several contracts and non disclosure agreements via digi sign and, those are legally binding, same as if I had signed them in person. That would eliminate the need for sending copies of ID and, asuage vendors of the responsibility for further age verification - if it is found the customer lied - they or thier parent(s)/ guardian(s)are legally liable, not the vendor.
Nope. Doesn't work that way. A minor cannot enter into a legally binding contract and the onus would still revert back to the company who used the "contract" to verify age. Signing something does not absolve the company from their legal requirement to verify age as the user has done the verification, not the company.
As for sending a copy of an ID proving my age? Not going to happen. Ever. If the company is too cheap to subscribe to the myriad of age verification services that are available on the Internet, I'm not going to give them a pass on refusing to use those services. Any company who requests a copy of my license for verification goes to the "never go here again" list.
Just an FYI here - some software systems just automatically send that request out. Doesn't mean that they have to have it. Give them a call and give them a chance.
If a company takes that route, that tells me two things.
One, they're really not that concerned about a user's privacy.
Two, they're taking the cheap way out instead of paying for a service that does it automatically when a customer places an order.
If I talk to a company and I hear "Oh gee! We didn't know there were online age verification services!", I flee.
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