serious discussion time! crazy coils; why?

[CRW78]

Those that build tiger and Clapton and other complex coils: do you feel those truly change the flavor more drastically than just changing your resistance, airflow, and/or atty? As many standard builds that I have gone through, this is a LOT, I see differences evident in them, but the largest change is the resistance. Atty will play a big role in flavor as well; design, not clone or authentic. Unless that clone came from a poorly designed authentic. Lol. Could flavor from all these insanely complex builds really be a "placebo" effect? The mod you use plays a larger role than the coils even. This delivers the power to those coils and if it's not on point, what little or tremendous effort you put into that coil is wasted.. Like a beer after working all day outside vs all day in the office tastes better, I think it's all psychological..

 

[CastleRat]

Some people just want something different like turning a car into a low rider with hydraulics to make it jump. It's not for me but fun to watch.

 

[CRW78]

Some people just want something different like turning a car into a low rider with hydraulics to make it jump. It's not for me but fun to watch.

Which is primarily my point. Those crazy builds are more aesthetic than functional. All show with little go. Lol

 

[granolaboy]

 

[bm2112]

Which is primarily my point. Those crazy builds are more aesthetic than functional. All show with little go. Lol

I completely agree. I still haven't experimented enough with twisted, tiger, clapton, etc builds to undoubtedly say they don't make much of an impact on flavor but I really haven't seen a difference.

Like you said, I think resistance and the atty have the biggest impact on flavor. If a build is hotter, it will more than likely change the flavor profile of a juice. If there's more vapor, the flavor is more intense. I think people are mistaking bigger clouds for better flavor but as I said earlier; I'm not quite experienced enough to make that judgement.

I'm extremely happy with my low sub-ohm micro coils with 22 or 24 gauge. I get great flavor and vapor and the coils only take a couple minutes to wrap. Once I get my new attys I'm going to do a side-by-side comparison with different build styles and see if I notice anything.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

two almost exact coil's, one touching wraps, the other opened wraps, two completly different vapes & the closed wrap coil has an extra .2ohm becouse of the touching wraps.

i did my first stove top the other day, with open wraps, awsome vape, big clouds and loadsa flavour.
i saw a vid that said have the wraps tight and touching so i tryed it with pretty much the same exact amount of wire and the flavour and clouds were pants compared to open coil.

 

[granolaboy]

I still haven't experimented enough with twisted, tiger, clapton, etc builds...

So your opinion on said builds would be unfounded and worthless then? Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Rickajho]

So your opinion on said builds would be unfounded and worthless then? Thanks for clearing that up.

I have an opinion on death. That doesn't mean I'm gonna kill myself just to find out if my opinion is correct.

 

[bm2112]

So your opinion on said builds would be unfounded and worthless then? Thanks for clearing that up.

No if you read my post I said I haven't done enough experimenting to say forsure. I've tried only a few twisted builds and one clapton coil. I want to test each coil at the same resistance so I can make a definitive judgement.

But thanks for being a .....

 

[pdib]

I played with a few coils. Not all of them. I will say that Mundy's Magic Twisted Ribbon has a tremendous impact on vape quality and flavor. This isn't coil shape, rather wire structure; but it does go to demonstrate that a substantial difference can be found in the coil itself. As to coil shape, in my frivols and galavants I've experienced enough of a difference to say that it's worth playing with.

 

[juggalofisher88]

The question isn't why, its why not?
Nobody should ever be satisfied with the status quo.

 

[CRW78]

So as to prove I am willing to give it a shot to test myself,




I guess there's a break in period? It's not really knocking my socks off, but it is producing some vapor.

 

[FatherTime]

Those that build tiger and Clapton and other complex coils: do you feel those truly change the flavor more drastically than just changing your resistance, airflow, and/or atty? As many standard builds that I have gone through, this is a LOT, I see differences evident in them, but the largest change is the resistance. Atty will play a big role in flavor as well; design, not clone or authentic. Unless that clone came from a poorly designed authentic. Lol. Could flavor from all these insanely complex builds really be a "placebo" effect? The mod you use plays a larger role than the coils even. This delivers the power to those coils and if it's not on point, what little or tremendous effort you put into that coil is wasted.. Like a beer after working all day outside vs all day in the office tastes better, I think it's all psychological..

why is this a serious discussion come at me bro im subohming dual katana coils on my desquare mod

 

[G-weezy]

Your asking why? I like to tinker and see what's the best coil wick combo I can do. But I always go back to dual macro coils.

But now you tried a Clapton? How is it? How's flavor and vapor? Is it a little better than before?

 

[granolaboy]

No if you read my post I said I haven't done enough experimenting to say forsure. I've tried only a few twisted builds and one clapton coil. I want to test each coil at the same resistance so I can make a definitive judgement.

But thanks for being a .....

Ahh...you're right. We're pushing deadlines at work and I get jacked up on caffeine and turn into a total ..... Sorry man, it wasn't personal

And each build vapes different...I just made my first clapton coil and it's the best vape I've ever had. It's like the vapour production of lower resistance with the cool flavour of a higher build...totally worth the effort. And I did a totally crap job of it too...

But hey, I still build 8-wraps on 1/16 in my protanks, and keep a reasonable 1.something Ω on a kayfun...I like to have a range of vapes around.

edit: ok here's my crapton. I only had 30 and 28 around, so i twisted 2 of the 28 together then attempted to wrap the 30 around the twisted 28. Problem is, the 30 just followed the twist of the twisted wire, so i didn't get nice packed-in coils.

CRW78 : Nice build BTW...0.11Ω is hella low tho...like scary low...but that looks wicked

Mine still glows red nice (should have taken a pic before i wicked it)...took forever to glow red...I thought it was a bust. But it vapes AMAZING. Like, it's wild...it's cool, it's tasty, it's smooth, and it produces obnoxious amounts of vapour...cool idea!

 

[CRW78]

why is this a serious discussion come at me bro im subohming dual katana coils on my desquare mod

Lol! Not sure what coil that is, I'll have to look it up later. But my original statement (paraphrased) is that the crazy builds are more aesthetic and for the enthusiast and doesn't really do much to change all that it's claimed to change. Resistance and atty are the factors that really matter. Or at least matter way more than how you build the coils. I normally sub ohm on parallel builds myself. Nothing fancy

 

[CRW78]

Ok so I think the reason it metered so low is because 1, it was Nichrome. . 2, it's 24 and 28g. It would bring the resistance up if I went 32 over 28 kanthal.. sigh. . I don't wanna make another one of these yet. Lol

 

[granolaboy]

Ok so I think the reason it metered so low is because 1, it was Nichrome. . 2, it's 24 and 28g. It would bring the resistance up if I went 32 over 28 kanthal.. sigh. . I don't wanna make another one of these yet. Lol

Hahaha! Fair enough...I think it's cool you did it anyway

My build seems to be great for citrous, fruit, sweet tobaccos, creamy flavours....but wow is it harsh for candy and some other savoury flavours....not sure what to make of it.

I'm not a fan of dragon coils, or any build where you just encase the coil in cotton and soak it. The TH and flavour is just gagging. To me that's not really wicking, more like drenching. But to each their own...

Same reason I won't bother with stove tops. If Rip Trippers coughs and gags on it, it's probably too harsh for me

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

yer but if you build a stove top the same as ripper he has the wraps touching tight, i tried it and it was to hot for me & i know he said you need to let the coil glaze over and wear in so its not so potent on heating the coil but i cant be dealing with that, i want it to work good as soon as i've dry burned and re-newed the wick, hence the reason i been doing stove top with a space between the coils & it isnt harsh one bit, its just big clouds and flavour, try it

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

The big changes come with big changes in your coil design.

Wrap up a twisted kanthal coil and a non-twisted (both reading the same ohms and having the same coil dimensions, the vape quality difference will be there just slight.

Wrap up two coils one open the other touching, otherwise no differences you'll see a big difference.

There is a lot more than just coil design that goes into how something vapes too, you have to be really good at wicking to get the best out of any coil.

Maurice