Share your story with me?

[Joe51]

As you can see by my post count, I'm very new to this forum. Think this is my first started thread. Anyway, I look around here almost every day. Typically, I am looking for the same thing. I want to see other peoples take on cessation. Addiction to tobacco takes on many forms with many people, but it's safe to say we all know where the similarities are. It really helps me to see other peoples very different experiences and compare it to my own. Also, it gives me something to do while I vape constantly pretending I don't crave the real thing. lol

That said, I'm going into a long post detailing my experience to date in hopes that others will do the same when time permits. Thanks for any responses.

My first vape was in 2008. My buddy at work bought an njoy cigalike. I was immediately interested and started doing my homework on the subject. I recall that being a real challenge back then. Maybe I just didn't have the same skill set I do today, but I was left with more questions than answers. Either way, I made the most typical new vapor mistake... bought a cigalike at the mall kiosk. I stuck with it for a few months, but never got under a half pack of analogs per day... Eventually the novelty wore off and I just stuffed it in a drawer.

A couple months ago I run across it cleaning out old junk and wondered if I really gave it a fair chance. Tough to say, but I decided to go again. And certainly I was going to be smarter this time. So in my infinite wisdom I went to a tobacco shop instead of the mall. They sold me practically the same thing I had before, and I got the same results. What a shock. LOL.

Thankfully, this time there are many resources to help me do better. This site being the top of the short list. And I have something that was actually built for someone who smoked like I did. 1.5 pad menthol full.

My effort to quit has not been easy, though. My wife smokes same as I always did, and she has no desire to quit. In fact, everyone I know, except the people I work with, smokes. Entire family, extended family, friends, acquaintances, EVERYONE!! After getting my ego set, I surprised them all by cutting back to 5 cigs a day instantly. Within a week, I was down to 2, and this is where I'm stuck. We all have the same question: how can 2 cigs per day maintain an addiction. Well, I don't know the answer to that, but I know it can.

In the last couple of months, I've experienced a few severe mood swings, mass exodus of goo from my chest, and crippling insomnia (how I have time to type all this and check on you guys daily ). The mood swings are light as long as I smoke in the middle of the day at work and about the middle of time at home. The goo is already practically gone. The insomnia persists as heavily today as ever.

Cravings are not bad. If not for the inexplicable quickness to anger that plagues any effort to quit completely, I'd probably be done already. I have had several occassions where I just had to fight through. Get busy doing something and chain vape. If you were ever really a smoker, then you know what I mean.

Ohh... to add insult to injury, the guy I work for used to smoke 3 cigs a day at work and never at home or on the weekend. New Years he quit, so now he's trying to give me advice on what I should do. Like anything about our habits were close to compatible.... oops, there it is again. Pause for the cause..

Today I read an interesting article that helped me understand that I'm not crazy, and that those 2 per day I need actually do serve a purpose. Here's the link, but fair warning, it's a difficult read that requires research. LOL. Took me like 3 hours to get through post one. LMAO. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ne-maois-towards-more-effective-e-liquid.html

Finally to the good news. I went to help a friend build a deck today, and I stayed upright the whole time. Made it up and down the hill toting lumber with no problem. Never had any chest pains. My muscles hurt worse than my chest. The smokers there were clearly two or three steps behind me all day. This was the first test of my new found health, and I think it went really well. I'm sure I could not have done what I did today even just a couple of months back.

Alright if your still reading, you're crazier than this guy>

Share your story with me. I'll be checking at night while I should be sleeping..

 

[Uncle Sam]

Some of the issues people encounter while quitting using a PV are scary. Quit zits, mood swings and especially the isomnia you refer to. I often wonder if I should bother with the vapos and just quit cold, but I like to smoke. A lot.

I have quit many times before and I like to believe I can remain steadfast as the benefits outweigh the negatives. Like not smelling like an s-bag when you walk into the office, a fatter wallet and feeling 18 again in the sac. Those things keep me sane. At Least for the sleep issues, there are other drugs that can help in the short term. Lack of sleep will do you faster than anything else.

Stay strong and VAPE ON!!

 

[JusticeKnuckles]

well nicotine is very similar to caffeine in many ways, if you're vaping a high dose of nic that may be causing your sleep problems. Try switching to a low dose during the evenings - night time and see if that helps at all

 

[Abe_Katz]

Hi Joe,

Tobacco smoke contains several MAOI compounds. MAOIs are commonly used to treat depression and/or anxiety. That would explain your mood swings. I've been told that adding some Whole Tobacco Alkaloids (WTA) to your juice can help with this, but I have not tried this. That said there are a host of problems that come with tobacco cessation.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

The coughing up goo is a normal part of your lungs healing. You are literally coughing up years worth of tar out of your lungs and this process may last weeks or even months. The longer you smoked the longer it will last.

As to your insomnia, nicotine is a stimulant. My suggestion would be to lower your nicotine level in your juice in the evening. That may help with the insomnia.

As to your co-worker, he sounds like he was never a smoker. As such I think his advice on quitting isn't worth much. Quitting smoking is hard. But trust me, if you are seeing health benefits even smoking two cigs per day, being tobacco free is worth it.

Lastly, I am not a doctor, I am not qualified to give medical opinions in this, or any other field. All of my statements are my own opinions based on my personal experience and research.

Vape on.

 

[Tanti]

Grats on almost making the switch!
2 cigs a day is what your brain is holding you at. That MAOI makes the nicotine work better, hence you are addicted to nicotine ( the minor part) and you are addicted to "the cigarette" from the MAOI. Your brain will keep telling you, you need those 2 cigarettes.

I knew if I didnt jsut go cold turkey when I started vaping id never quit. Id just get used to smoking and vaping. That my brain wouldnt let me give it up totally. I tried every single other way known to man. and failed. I even quit with lozenges for 6 months and first time I got stressed I bought a pack of cigs. and that was a few years ago.

So my first vape was my last cig. The first few days were tought I wont lie. I learned how to vape and get enougth nicotine to take care of the craving. But my brain wouldnt go quietly. Fuzzy brain, foggy brain, #1 bi--- of the year emerged. But I stuck to my guns and vaped threw it. Then came sore gums, coughing like crazy. But I stuck to it. I started drinking lots of water. Sore throat so more water and after the first week it all started really going away except the cough. That ended day 17.

I had smoked for 40 years except for when I was prego twice and even then I snuck drags so I wouldnt kill anyone. and the 6 months that I used the lozenges. I smoke full flavor 100's, a little over a pad.
Without nicotine I go threw full body withdraws, every thing that could possibly happen, happens.

Now im at 1 month 12 days, and feel really much better and I can breath, I dont run out of air going up stairs or out to the mail box.
I do have a bit of the quiters zits but very minor.

I started with 18mg and went up to 24mg, I vape moderate, about 1-2 ml a day. I did the other day vape more that normal and rose the nicotine bar in my body so the next day I had a hard time with cravings going back to normal vaping. ( was testing a bunch of new juices at one time) besides that I get minor cravings every so often like somethin triggers it, and I just vape threw it. I treat my PV like I would a cig. I view it as my new reality.
To sleep I take a 5 mg of melatonin at night. It does really help.

Id say you have to make that choice, nobody can make it for you. But dont let your brain drag this out.

 

[Faylool]

A lot of people vape the WTA e juice. The place to try that is at Aroma Juice. There is a small amount of Whole Tobacco Alkaloids in the ejuice Vaping it at night might help with the insomnia. I'm sure a lot of people are on ecf instead of smoking or at least vaping with like minded people. Too bad your wife is stuck in the mud but maybe she'll see you feeling and doing better and better. My story is I started quitting in my 20s and I couldn't stay quit. I got nicorettengum to quit and chewed it day and night for 10 years. Now I vape WTA. I added snus and snuff to fill in because I got to needing to save money in a big way and also worried WTA might get banned temporarily. Its really nice too and smoking is not a temptation for me. I have a real aversion to it
Oh yeah and Dramamine will help you sleep. I take a half dose occasionally when I really just want to be sleeping.

 

[Joe51]

Thanks for the responses!

Uncle Sam, I'd say if you can and will quit without vaping, that's obviously the best possible scenario. The problem I have with that is I never would. Too much ritual. Not to mention the withdraw, in my experience, is ten fold with an abstinance approach. From my research, you should not be scared off by my story or anyone else's. Everyone handle's the change very differently. The common themes pertain mostly to tobacco cessation rather than vaping.

Thanks for all the advice on sleeping better again. I'm not really comfortable using any sleep aides. I know.. ironic that smoker is scared to take dramamine or mellatonin. LOL. I don't think it would be good for me to force myself up with nic and down with some other drug. That ideology is partly responsible for the position I'm in now. I will try going with a lower dose, but I fear that with so many triggers at home that it will do more harm than good. You know the wife smells of smoke, and dinner and bed time were always triggers, so I expect a lower dose will just create more consumption. We shall see.

@ Tanti, Faye, and Abe - I have done a substantial amount of research on MAOI's and WTA in the last few weeks. When it became obvious that I was certainly absorbing sufficient nic but still desperate for cig, I got curious. For all the labeling we force people to do in this country, it amazes me how tobacco is allowed to totally alter the way we percieve relaxation and blame it on nicotine, but that doesn't matter toward the point.

More toward the point, if I understand half of what I read, and that's probably a really generous assumption, then the quickness to anger is basically due to my brain not operating under the same pretense it has for the last 15 years. I have grown accustom to a chemically induced normal. Then I removed most of the chemicals. The solutions are to supplement the chemicals (my two cigs per day, WTA, herbal supplements, or snus), or to wait until I readjust to the new normal. I am still trying to make this decision. Obviously the 2 per day have to go and soon. It's not healthy for my overall effort for smoking cessation, and we have endured enough now that I cannot percieve the thought of moving backwards. WTA is a little scary to me in that it would allow me to continue the chemically induced normal without terrible side effects, but it would most certainly keep me dependant and as far as I can tell, there is not yet a mechanism to manage the use of that chemical other than heavy or light vaping. Also scary is the idea that it might actually work for me, then be taken away within a couple of months. Herbal supplements scare me even more. Likely for the same reason I steer clear of sleep aides. No good reason there except I'm uneducated and uninterested. Snus isn't for me.

I guess in typing this, I narrowed it down to WTA or just sucking it up and dealing with it. My wife would vote WTA I can assure you. LOL. I'm leaning the other way.

For the time being, I'm going to keep my 2 cigs and see if in another month or so I can cut the one out at work. Less triggers at work to deal with. Then I'll focus up on that last one. Maybe send the wife to her parents for a week or so to keep the family from having to deal with my foul mood until I've normalized somewhat.

Thoughts or suggestions?

More stories?

Thanks again, folks.

 

[Joe51]

I'm currently about 2.5ml per day at the 24 strength. I use the same juice day and night, so you guys make some really good points about not being able to sleep. I tend to forget that these devices cannot be treated the same as cigs.

 

[volume control]

Grats, i have a what got you started thread, feel free to contibute

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/374467-what-made-you-decide-use-ecigs.html

 

[ShayBabe15]

Congratulations

I started smoking when I was twelve. The town I lived in pressured and pushed a lot of things. Luckily, I only got into smoking, anything else and I probably wouldn't be alive right now. I finally gave it all up when I found out that I was pregnant at seventeen..After five years, I went cold turkey during pregnancy and everything seemed fine. A few months after I delivered, I had a huge nicotine withdrawal..Ever heard of a postpone nicotine withdrawal? They're horrible..Anyways, I had heard about e-cigs and such..decided to give it a go..and what do you know! I love them. I started out at 36mg/ml of nicotine and slowly made my way down to 6-12mg/ml(what I'm at now). Hopefully, within a few months I will be fully off of nicotine.
That's a little bit of my story. Couldn't be more happy!

 

[Faylool]

If you find you have angry outbursts after a long time of vaping low nicotine without WTAs you can change your thinking then. It's certainly worth a try. It could actually take 2 years to give it a proper try. I did that once with antidepressants I had to take for years and and years and it took them years and years to get me on the right one. I went 1 year and 8 months and things were spiraling dangerously. I did as much of the right stuff I could. Swam moderately 6-7 days a week, of course chewed Nicorette because I'd been doing that for years already, ate healthy style, managed weight, joined life a little and went to councilling and groups Aa for to drinking and so on and so forth. I had to get back on them and I wasn't happy about that. I'm still not happy about it but I do much better much much better on it...in fact it probably is saving my life even though at my lowest I still don't think I'm the type to kill myself but would have needed up in a place that would have put me back on them anyway. ya know?

Thanks for the responses!

Uncle Sam, I'd say if you can and will quit without vaping, that's obviously the best possible scenario. The problem I have with that is I never would. Too much ritual. Not to mention the withdraw, in my experience, is ten fold with an abstinance approach. From my research, you should not be scared off by my story or anyone else's. Everyone handle's the change very differently. The common themes pertain mostly to tobacco cessation rather than vaping.

Thanks for all the advice on sleeping better again. I'm not really comfortable using any sleep aides. I know.. ironic that smoker is scared to take dramamine or mellatonin. LOL. I don't think it would be good for me to force myself up with nic and down with some other drug. That ideology is partly responsible for the position I'm in now. I will try going with a lower dose, but I fear that with so many triggers at home that it will do more harm than good. You know the wife smells of smoke, and dinner and bed time were always triggers, so I expect a lower dose will just create more consumption. We shall see.

@ Tanti, Faye, and Abe - I have done a substantial amount of research on MAOI's and WTA in the last few weeks. When it became obvious that I was certainly absorbing sufficient nic but still desperate for cig, I got curious. For all the labeling we force people to do in this country, it amazes me how tobacco is allowed to totally alter the way we percieve relaxation and blame it on nicotine, but that doesn't matter toward the point.

More toward the point, if I understand half of what I read, and that's probably a really generous assumption, then the quickness to anger is basically due to my brain not operating under the same pretense it has for the last 15 years. I have grown accustom to a chemically induced normal. Then I removed most of the chemicals. The solutions are to supplement the chemicals (my two cigs per day, WTA, herbal supplements, or snus), or to wait until I readjust to the new normal. I am still trying to make this decision. Obviously the 2 per day have to go and soon. It's not healthy for my overall effort for smoking cessation, and we have endured enough now that I cannot percieve the thought of moving backwards. WTA is a little scary to me in that it would allow me to continue the chemically induced normal without terrible side effects, but it would most certainly keep me dependant and as far as I can tell, there is not yet a mechanism to manage the use of that chemical other than heavy or light vaping. Also scary is the idea that it might actually work for me, then be taken away within a couple of months. Herbal supplements scare me even more. Likely for the same reason I steer clear of sleep aides. No good reason there except I'm uneducated and uninterested. Snus isn't for me.

I guess in typing this, I narrowed it down to WTA or just sucking it up and dealing with it. My wife would vote WTA I can assure you. LOL. I'm leaning the other way.

For the time being, I'm going to keep my 2 cigs and see if in another month or so I can cut the one out at work. Less triggers at work to deal with. Then I'll focus up on that last one. Maybe send the wife to her parents for a week or so to keep the family from having to deal with my foul mood until I've normalized somewhat.

Thoughts or suggestions?

More stories?

Thanks again, folks.

 

[Joe51]

I agree Faylool. I'll keep it in the back of my head. Especially if I get to a place where I'm disrupting family or work. I'm pretty good at controlling myself. If I'm still making a conscious effort to control myself even just a few months down the road, I'll revisit the idea. I'm glad you made it through your spiral. Quite encouraging to hear as mine is beginning.

 

[Joe51]

Grats, i have a what got you started thread, feel free to contibute

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/374467-what-made-you-decide-use-ecigs.html

Cool!! Thanks for the link.

 

[Joe51]

Congratulations

I started smoking when I was twelve. The town I lived in pressured and pushed a lot of things. Luckily, I only got into smoking, anything else and I probably wouldn't be alive right now. I finally gave it all up when I found out that I was pregnant at seventeen..After five years, I went cold turkey during pregnancy and everything seemed fine. A few months after I delivered, I had a huge nicotine withdrawal..Ever heard of a postpone nicotine withdrawal? They're horrible..Anyways, I had heard about e-cigs and such..decided to give it a go..and what do you know! I love them. I started out at 36mg/ml of nicotine and slowly made my way down to 6-12mg/ml(what I'm at now). Hopefully, within a few months I will be fully off of nicotine.
That's a little bit of my story. Couldn't be more happy!

It sounds like we could all learn a thing or two about life from you. I had not heard of postponed withdraw. That is incredibly interesting, though I'm sure it wasn't for you.

What PV did you start with and how did you progress to your current device? I did Njoy back on 08 - Blue back in Dec, and currently have a full ego C set, a twist clone, and a CE4. Got a Vivi on the way with black tank to match my twist battery. I'm looking forward to it.

Happy VD all! That's Valentines day btw

 

[Bosco]

I smoked a pack a day for about 15 years and then quit using commit lozenges. I was on the lozenges for just over a year and then stopped them cold-turkey. I stayed quit for almost 5 years. This last summer, though, I started again. My wife and I had finally started to have some adult time again after having a baby. We started getting babysitters, going out with friends to great dinners . .which lead to cocktails . .which lead to cigarettes. Just a few at first . .but . .we all know how that goes. Don't we all have a lucky few friends who can just have a smoke or 2 while drinking and then not again for many days or weeks. Jerks!

By Thanksgiving , I was a full-on pack a day smoker again. My brother had quit using Blu e-cigs and told me how great they were. I tried a Blu disposable and agreed - it was pretty good! I went to a local B&M shop - looking for my own Blu kit . . but they steered me towards an ego twist. I left there with 2 ego twists, 2 kanger T2's and a big bottle of Boba's Bounty. I was set up to succeed and succeed, I did. I have very little trouble transitioning to e cigs and within a few days I was vaping full time. I still smoked a few cigarettes here and there- mainly when I was with others and could bum them. My last cigarette was the day after Christmas.

Vaping has had a tremendously positive influence on my life. I no longer smell like smoke, I breathe easier and vaping is very satisfying - I almost never crave real cigarettes. Plus I love making DIY juice and reading about all the cool devices and stuff that people have.

 

[Joe51]

I smoked a pack a day for about 15 years and then quit using commit lozenges. I was on the lozenges for just over a year and then stopped them cold-turkey. I stayed quit for almost 5 years. This last summer, though, I started again. My wife and I had finally started to have some adult time again after having a baby. We started getting babysitters, going out with friends to great dinners . .which lead to cocktails . .which lead to cigarettes. Just a few at first . .but . .we all know how that goes. Don't we all have a lucky few friends who can just have a smoke or 2 while drinking and then not again for many days or weeks. Jerks!

By Thanksgiving , I was a full-on pack a day smoker again. My brother had quit using Blu e-cigs and told me how great they were. I tried a Blu disposable and agreed - it was pretty good! I went to a local B&M shop - looking for my own Blu kit . . but they steered me towards an ego twist. I left there with 2 ego twists, 2 kanger T2's and a big bottle of Boba's Bounty. I was set up to succeed and succeed, I did. I have very little trouble transitioning to e cigs and within a few days I was vaping full time. I still smoked a few cigarettes here and there- mainly when I was with others and could bum them. My last cigarette was the day after Christmas.

Vaping has had a tremendously positive influence on my life. I no longer smell like smoke, I breathe easier and vaping is very satisfying - I almost never crave real cigarettes. Plus I love making DIY juice and reading about all the cool devices and stuff that people have.

Right on!! I work with a couple guys who can just smoke 1 or 2 at work...... I'm more of an all in type smoker. LOL.

Blu didn't cut if for me... still left me with a heavy analog habit. The twists and tanks have helped, though. I have been using a twist clone. Don't even know the brand... thought it was a joyetech, but it was not. With a vivi. Also suspect of being clone as I don't see vision anywhere on the packaging. Maybe I'm not supposed to? Anyway, I broke the vivi tank last week by leaving it in my pocket. Today, I broke the twist cone by leaving it in my pocket.... Now I'm an active guy, but should I be able to carry things in my pocket?? I'm immediately ordering new twists and tanks. I love love love the vape. Now just to find the ones that have what it takes to survive in my life.

Vaping has been a fairly positive experience for me too. There are those who don't seem to accept the big battery where they used to be cool with cigs, but acceptance of these products must come as they are clearly better for everyone.

Others see that my habit has become more personal and less imposing on others, and that is a huge deal. It's just one of those things.... some see it and some don't.

Thanks for sharing!!

 

[blaufisch]

LOL your post reminds me of my own transition experience. A year ago I bought a convenience store piece of awful. I vaped all the cartridges it came with and went to buy more. The idiot at the convenience store said "no more" and didn't know when or if he would get any. "F this" i thought, and went online to buy a proper e-cig. So I got a 510 starter kit and suffered through weak, quickly-discharging batteries, cloggy attys and leaky cartridges and found myself giving up again because they are just so inconvenient.

Finally, about 1.5 months ago I caught the e-cig bug again. I dug up my 510 kit and tried it. I actually forgot that I liked the juices I had bought and was encouraged. Again the batteries annoyed me.

I happened to be at my workbench one day, going though a box of random parts and found my original convenience store ecig and assorted parts. I noticed that the atty thread was the same as a 510 battery thread. *light bulb*. I collected together some parts I had laying about (an AC adaptor, a switch, the aforementioned connector) and cobbled together a crude passthrough. THERE! No more batteries at home at least.

I vaped on it for a while, and popped two atties the first night (HA). I realized my design needed minor modification. Insert a 10W resistor and BANG! Perfect vape. (I'm on MKII now with a selectable voltage)

A couple of weeks later I ordered a spinner battery and a couple of V3 RBAs and I have never looked back... If only I had started this way to begin with.

As for the analogs, they are almost out of my life. I'm down to one cig per day now, and probably wouldn't care if I just upped and decided not to buy the next pack.

The way I see it - if still feel you need a couple of analogs per day during your transition, smoke 'em! Ditching analogs is NOT easy so take it in comfortable stages and don't beat yourself up about it. If you smoke two analogs per day, that's 28 analogs you aren't smoking! (forgive me if someone already mentioned this). That alone is a massive improvement and your body will thank you.

When I get the mood swings or feel the urge to light up, i just vape like a madman for a few minutes until the feeling passes.

If people are smoking around you (and man, that's hard to deal with I know), just keep on vaping. The urge to kill will pass

 

[Joe51]

Thanks for the encouragement blaufisch!

Sure wish I hadn't got duped into the cig-a-like's... not once but twice...lol

I'm really doing a lot better now. I'm keeping my 2 per day for the time being, but I'm not struggling to do so or feeling really any symptoms now. Cigs still smell as good as momma's brownies to me, though. I wish I could hate the smell, but I'm afraid I never will. Every time it hits my nose, I'm like a cartoon character floating to it.

I just ordered an ego-v v2 just because it has the pass through. I'm expecting it to be the only battery I use once it arrives. Hoping to retire my twist clone, which I re-assembled today, as a back up. If I get the same issue of pulling apart with the V, I'll be done with ego styles.

Had to google the MKII. All the looking around I've done the last couple of months, and that one I have not seen. Nice looking rig, though.

Any advice on equipment that can survive a day of work or play in the pocket and not come out in pieces? I've had no luck so far other than the ego C kit, but I would like to carry around something with a little more punch than a regulated 3.3v.

 

[Tish Talons]

Congratulations and good luck in your transition to PVs. I wish you success and good health.

On the subject of equipment, I would highly recommend that you not buy knock off products at all ever. Make sure that you are buying the real deal. That doesn't mean you have to buy a Joyetech. There are lots of other great brands of ego style batteries out there. As a matter of fact, I only have one Joye that gets regular use. Its a Twist. But I prefer the Vision Spinner to the Twist for several reasons. I also use Kgo batteries (which are basically the same as joye ego). they are slightly larger (1100mah instead of 1000mah) and they have worked really well for me and I believe they deliver a slightly higher voltage. They read at 4.2 volts on a meter without a load, versus the 3.6 volts on most egos. Plus they are cheaper than Joye or Go-Gos or Volcanos etc. etc. I don't know if I can recommend a vendor without breaking the rules, so I won't do it here. Also, I am begging you not to buy imitation Vivi Nova tanks. There are tons of look-alikes out there. Don't get suckered. Buy the real deal. Or switch to cartomizer tanks. They give you all the convenience of a tank without the hassle of wicking systems. That's just my opinion, of course.

I hope you find something that works for you. Get a Spinner and see what you think. Plus theres a whole world of APVs out there. I haven't ventured into it, but I'm sure theres got to be something out there to give you your perfect vape. In the meantime, take it easy on yourself. Quitting is hard. Harder for some than others. Don't give up.

One last thing: you might benefit from unscrewing your device from your battery before putting it in your pocket if its going to be in there for a while. Put them in separate pockets. That way, if your device breaks, it won't ruin your battery.

 

[Joe51]

Thnx for the advice, Tish. I got suckered on both my clones. LOL. I should have known when everyone was out of stock on the vivi's I should stop looking and wait. LOL. Impatient. The Twist clone I just should have known better. My wife said she'd give the e-cigs a go if I got her setup, so I rushed to buy something before she changed her mind, and went for a deal I knew was too good to be true. Now I've got this clone, but I'm spoiled to the VV and don't wish to go back. The wife backed out of her offer.

It seems one of two things will happen if I put it in my pocket. Either the bottom threads will pull off the knarled metal adapter that holds the tank to the threads on my vivi, or the button assembly will come apart on the twist clone. Neither of these devices can hold up to what I need. I have taken it apart a time or two, but pocket lint is hard on both separated and normal life is hard on both together. It's just not going to work. My search continues.

Surely it's okay to PM me your suggestions? IDK either.

Anyway, what I want is a VV device not longer than a twist. I'd settle for shorter and fatter. I need it to work with 510 and 808. I need it to last about 15 hours. And most importantly, I need it to be tough enough to survive a little pressure. I just want to have my cake and eat it too dangit!! If you guys know what I'm looking for, please enlighten me.

Thanks