For sure the hit is my pleasure, but now I know that I should carry at less one battery for each hour outside an outletToo bad it's not all about batt life. Throat hit matters a lot to me.
Short life in batteries 510 and 901
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trog, thanks for reminding us for the probably 1000th time about the difference in batteries.
I think all battery related questions should be banned from the forum until SJ does what he should have done months ago and created a "sticky" that addresses the difference in battery life and auto vs manual switches. About 80% of the questions/problem posts center on batteries and the switch.
Just in case anyone missed this recent development in 510 batts:
TITAN-Mega Power 5 Manual Battery Multi Packs. / Totally Wicked eLiquid / Electronic Cigarette eLiquid Store
Word is they don't fit the PCC but chances are that's next
This statement on the site bothers me:
"We normally offer a 28 day warranty on the Battery unit, on our Multi-Packs each Battery works out at less than $14. Therefore we offer no warranty on this item. The Batteries however are exactly the same as the single units we sell." It comes out cheap, so we won't warranty it?
Hi I felt like I had to post this, and sorry for the cut and paste. I copied from the site I get my batteries and juice from. hope it helps.
What is an e-cigarette
Units are comprised of a rechargeable battery, an atomizer and a cartridge. The cartridge contains, water, flavor, propylene glycol (PG), and can contain nicotine.
How does it work
When the user inhales at the mouthpiece, a small switch located in the battery is activated and power is delivered to the atomizer. The action is regulated by a microchip which is also located in the battery. When power from the battery is applied, the atomizer is energized and creates a vapor derived from the moisture and propylene glycol in the cartridge. As the vapor passes through the cartridge, it picks up the flavoring and delivers it to the user. The user absorbs the nicotine either through the mucus membranes in the mouth or through the lungs and then exhales an mostly odorless vapor that disperses in seconds.
This means, no tobacco, no fire, no second-hand smoke, no first-hand smoke, no tar, no ammonia. Just vapor.
It's like eating your cake and having it too!!!
Propylene Glycol
Propylene glycol is a food additive found in many foods we eat today. It is used in food coloring, flavoring and also used to keep food, medicines and cosmetics moist. It is considered to be generally safe and it is the element that helps to create the vapor that simulates smoke. For more information on propylene glycol, check out wikipedia
Batteries
Battery life depends on your habits. If you use your 901 as a pacifier and suck on it all day long, youll probably be charging batteries every 1 to 3 hours. If you take the occasional 4 to 5 puffs every hour or so, your battery will give you 6 to 8 hours or more.
Batteries can be recharged 150 to 200 times. So, an average battery will last the heavy user 3 4 weeks, and the light user 6 - 10 weeks.
If the battery gets hot and stays hot, throw it out. You have a fried battery.
If you get only ¼ of battery life compared with when it was new, its at the end of its life cycle.
Do not overcharge your battery. The average battery will charge in 3 to 4 hours, do not leave battery on the charger for more than 4 hours to avoid overheating of the battery.
Atomizer (aka Vaporizer)
n atomizer is considered to be a consumable. It needs to be replaced when vapor volume is noticeably reduced even after a fresh cartridge and fully charged battery have been installed.
Keeping your atomizer in good condition can be a bit tricky. Your atomizer should always be humid but not wet. If it is too humid (gurgling sound, no vapor), blow the liquid out of it. If it is too dry (burned taste, no vapor), deposit one (1) drop of liquid onto the metal mesh in the atomizer.
Cartridges
ike batteries, cartridge life depends on your habits. There are dealers out there that will tell you that 1 cartridge is equivalent to 30 analogs. If you buy from them, get a money back guarantee, youll be vaping free forever. In truth, a cartridge can be compared to approx 7 to 14 analogs, but count on no more than 10. A cartridge can be refilled with juice 4 to 6 times (keep an eye on what the filler looks like because it does deteriorate).
Juice
Juice is the bottled version of the liquid cartridges are filled with. It comes in various flavor (apple, banana, cherry, chocolate, mint, marlboro, .......). It is made up of food flavorings suspended in propylene glycol, it can contain nicotine. Store in a cool, dark place, refrigerate for long term storage for best results, because it is light and temperature sensitive.
A cartridge takes 5 to 6 drops of juice to refresh it. Do no overfill your cartridge, an overfilled cartridge will cause you to suck up liquid into your mouth it really doesnt taste that good, and it can fry your battery if liquid drips down the vaporizer into the battery compartment.
The average user will vaporize around 1.5 ml of juice per day.
WARNING
Keep in mind that while the e-liquid comes in several delicious flavors, it can contain nicotine. It is toxic if consumed in any other manner than vaporizing through your favorite personal vaporizer.
Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin, so please use care when refilling your device and wash hands and bottle immediately after use. Wipe any excess liquid from the cartridge.
Nicotine level (cartridges and juice)
High 18 MG
Medium 14 MG
Low 11 MG
None 0 MG
Main ingredients of juice and cartridge contents (various flavors)
Cleaning cycle
Personal vaporizers have an automatic feature called cleaning cycle. This cleaning cycle is an extended period of atomizer heating intended to revive it. A cleaning cycle is triggered after XX number of puffs. XX varies depending on model. You will notice the light flashing when there is no warning condition happening, (such as it needs a charge or you have taken excessive # of puffs in a short time), and perhaps a hiss from the atomizer. The battery is what triggers the cleaning cycle.
Unfortunately, the cycle will cause your atomizer to produce a noxious taste that has been described as somewhere between burnt chicken soup and hair on fire. This nasty taste does disappear after a while.
Vaping Tips
Keep the tip down, if you vape with the tip up, liquid might run into your mouth.
Most personal vaporizers require a priming drag a short drag to heat up the atomizer in order to produce sufficient vapor for a satisfactory feel.
Give your device time to rest between drags, the harder and faster you draw, the faster your atomizer and cartridge dry out.
Fresh cartridges combined with fresh batteries will give you the most satisfactory vapor.
If it is too cold outside for you, it's too cold for your device, same goes for heat. They do not work in extreme temperatures
Keep in mind that a personal vaporizer is not a tobacco cigarette. They do not behave the same and do not give you the same results. You will need to learn how to use your device.
Troubleshooting
If the LED blinks rapidly for about 20 to 30 times when trying to vape, your battery is dead. Recharge battery for 3-4 hours.
If the LED blinks rapidly while your device is not in use, it has started a cleaning cycle (see Cleaning Cycle)
If after vaping for some time theres no more vapor, your cartridge needs changing or refreshing.
If you put on a new cartridge and experience hardly any vapor, your battery might be less than optimal. Charge the battery.
If a fairly new cartridge and new battery give you less than satisfactory vapor, put your finger over the air hole on the atomizer and blow steadily into the cartridge. This will send the liquid down in the direction of the atomizer. Do this a few times. If it still isnt right, top off the cartridge with a couple of drops of juice.
If the vapor has a slight burned taste, your atomizer might be too dry. Take off the cartridge and put 1 drop of juice on the metal screen of the atomizer. Put the cartridge back on and try again. (Do not deposit too much liquid, it could short-circuit your battery)
If there is hardly any vapor and you hear a gurgling sound while drawing on your ecig, your atomizer is too wet. Take off cartridge and battery, blow through the atomizer from the battery end (hold it over a paper towel or something else that will absorb the excess liquid), reinstall battery and cartridge and resume vaping.
Do not get dust, dirt, sand, lint etc in the airhole of the atomizer, always keep your device in a case or bag when not in use. If the airhole gets blocked, youll need a new atomizer.
If a freshly charged battery does not light up the LED, the switch might be stuck. Lightly blow through the battery for a couple of seconds, this sometimes frees up the switch. You could also try tapping it against a hard surface. Reassemble and try again, if it still doesn't work, dispose of the battery and get a new one.
Nicotine
A few people have reported symptoms of nicotine overdose (including myself). Some of these reports were from seasoned heavy smokers who were used to nicotine levels from cigarettes.
It is possible that while vaping we absorb more nicotine than we were used to with cigarettes. Learn to recognize the signs of nicotine overdose and abstain from vaping untill symptoms disappear. (See nicotine safety sheet)
WARNING
* Nicotine is a highly toxic and addictive substance * Electronic Cigarettes are intended for ADULTS only. Electronic cigarettes are not to be used by anyone under the legal smoking age of the state they reside in.
* Those who suffer from heart disease or high blood pressure, are pregnant, nursing, or those thinking of becoming pregnant should not use nicotine based products.
* Those allergic to nicotine or propylene glycol based products should not use the electronic cigarette.
What is an e-cigarette
Units are comprised of a rechargeable battery, an atomizer and a cartridge. The cartridge contains, water, flavor, propylene glycol (PG), and can contain nicotine.
How does it work
When the user inhales at the mouthpiece, a small switch located in the battery is activated and power is delivered to the atomizer. The action is regulated by a microchip which is also located in the battery. When power from the battery is applied, the atomizer is energized and creates a vapor derived from the moisture and propylene glycol in the cartridge. As the vapor passes through the cartridge, it picks up the flavoring and delivers it to the user. The user absorbs the nicotine either through the mucus membranes in the mouth or through the lungs and then exhales an mostly odorless vapor that disperses in seconds.
This means, no tobacco, no fire, no second-hand smoke, no first-hand smoke, no tar, no ammonia. Just vapor.
It's like eating your cake and having it too!!!
Propylene Glycol
Propylene glycol is a food additive found in many foods we eat today. It is used in food coloring, flavoring and also used to keep food, medicines and cosmetics moist. It is considered to be generally safe and it is the element that helps to create the vapor that simulates smoke. For more information on propylene glycol, check out wikipedia
Batteries
Battery life depends on your habits. If you use your 901 as a pacifier and suck on it all day long, youll probably be charging batteries every 1 to 3 hours. If you take the occasional 4 to 5 puffs every hour or so, your battery will give you 6 to 8 hours or more.
Batteries can be recharged 150 to 200 times. So, an average battery will last the heavy user 3 4 weeks, and the light user 6 - 10 weeks.
If the battery gets hot and stays hot, throw it out. You have a fried battery.
If you get only ¼ of battery life compared with when it was new, its at the end of its life cycle.
Do not overcharge your battery. The average battery will charge in 3 to 4 hours, do not leave battery on the charger for more than 4 hours to avoid overheating of the battery.
Atomizer (aka Vaporizer)
n atomizer is considered to be a consumable. It needs to be replaced when vapor volume is noticeably reduced even after a fresh cartridge and fully charged battery have been installed.
Keeping your atomizer in good condition can be a bit tricky. Your atomizer should always be humid but not wet. If it is too humid (gurgling sound, no vapor), blow the liquid out of it. If it is too dry (burned taste, no vapor), deposit one (1) drop of liquid onto the metal mesh in the atomizer.
Cartridges
ike batteries, cartridge life depends on your habits. There are dealers out there that will tell you that 1 cartridge is equivalent to 30 analogs. If you buy from them, get a money back guarantee, youll be vaping free forever. In truth, a cartridge can be compared to approx 7 to 14 analogs, but count on no more than 10. A cartridge can be refilled with juice 4 to 6 times (keep an eye on what the filler looks like because it does deteriorate).
Juice
Juice is the bottled version of the liquid cartridges are filled with. It comes in various flavor (apple, banana, cherry, chocolate, mint, marlboro, .......). It is made up of food flavorings suspended in propylene glycol, it can contain nicotine. Store in a cool, dark place, refrigerate for long term storage for best results, because it is light and temperature sensitive.
A cartridge takes 5 to 6 drops of juice to refresh it. Do no overfill your cartridge, an overfilled cartridge will cause you to suck up liquid into your mouth it really doesnt taste that good, and it can fry your battery if liquid drips down the vaporizer into the battery compartment.
The average user will vaporize around 1.5 ml of juice per day.
WARNING
Keep in mind that while the e-liquid comes in several delicious flavors, it can contain nicotine. It is toxic if consumed in any other manner than vaporizing through your favorite personal vaporizer.
Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin, so please use care when refilling your device and wash hands and bottle immediately after use. Wipe any excess liquid from the cartridge.
Nicotine level (cartridges and juice)
High 18 MG
Medium 14 MG
Low 11 MG
None 0 MG
Main ingredients of juice and cartridge contents (various flavors)
Cleaning cycle
Personal vaporizers have an automatic feature called cleaning cycle. This cleaning cycle is an extended period of atomizer heating intended to revive it. A cleaning cycle is triggered after XX number of puffs. XX varies depending on model. You will notice the light flashing when there is no warning condition happening, (such as it needs a charge or you have taken excessive # of puffs in a short time), and perhaps a hiss from the atomizer. The battery is what triggers the cleaning cycle.
Unfortunately, the cycle will cause your atomizer to produce a noxious taste that has been described as somewhere between burnt chicken soup and hair on fire. This nasty taste does disappear after a while.
Vaping Tips
Keep the tip down, if you vape with the tip up, liquid might run into your mouth.
Most personal vaporizers require a priming drag a short drag to heat up the atomizer in order to produce sufficient vapor for a satisfactory feel.
Give your device time to rest between drags, the harder and faster you draw, the faster your atomizer and cartridge dry out.
Fresh cartridges combined with fresh batteries will give you the most satisfactory vapor.
If it is too cold outside for you, it's too cold for your device, same goes for heat. They do not work in extreme temperatures
Keep in mind that a personal vaporizer is not a tobacco cigarette. They do not behave the same and do not give you the same results. You will need to learn how to use your device.
Troubleshooting
If the LED blinks rapidly for about 20 to 30 times when trying to vape, your battery is dead. Recharge battery for 3-4 hours.
If the LED blinks rapidly while your device is not in use, it has started a cleaning cycle (see Cleaning Cycle)
If after vaping for some time theres no more vapor, your cartridge needs changing or refreshing.
If you put on a new cartridge and experience hardly any vapor, your battery might be less than optimal. Charge the battery.
If a fairly new cartridge and new battery give you less than satisfactory vapor, put your finger over the air hole on the atomizer and blow steadily into the cartridge. This will send the liquid down in the direction of the atomizer. Do this a few times. If it still isnt right, top off the cartridge with a couple of drops of juice.
If the vapor has a slight burned taste, your atomizer might be too dry. Take off the cartridge and put 1 drop of juice on the metal screen of the atomizer. Put the cartridge back on and try again. (Do not deposit too much liquid, it could short-circuit your battery)
If there is hardly any vapor and you hear a gurgling sound while drawing on your ecig, your atomizer is too wet. Take off cartridge and battery, blow through the atomizer from the battery end (hold it over a paper towel or something else that will absorb the excess liquid), reinstall battery and cartridge and resume vaping.
Do not get dust, dirt, sand, lint etc in the airhole of the atomizer, always keep your device in a case or bag when not in use. If the airhole gets blocked, youll need a new atomizer.
If a freshly charged battery does not light up the LED, the switch might be stuck. Lightly blow through the battery for a couple of seconds, this sometimes frees up the switch. You could also try tapping it against a hard surface. Reassemble and try again, if it still doesn't work, dispose of the battery and get a new one.
Nicotine
A few people have reported symptoms of nicotine overdose (including myself). Some of these reports were from seasoned heavy smokers who were used to nicotine levels from cigarettes.
It is possible that while vaping we absorb more nicotine than we were used to with cigarettes. Learn to recognize the signs of nicotine overdose and abstain from vaping untill symptoms disappear. (See nicotine safety sheet)
WARNING
* Nicotine is a highly toxic and addictive substance * Electronic Cigarettes are intended for ADULTS only. Electronic cigarettes are not to be used by anyone under the legal smoking age of the state they reside in.
* Those who suffer from heart disease or high blood pressure, are pregnant, nursing, or those thinking of becoming pregnant should not use nicotine based products.
* Those allergic to nicotine or propylene glycol based products should not use the electronic cigarette.
Yeah... saw that. Concerned me for a few seconds. I'll let you know how many blow up... Janty sells atomizers for $17 and the same model type for $9 - the first one is warrantied. I have them both. No difference in operation. Longevity may be a factor but both types working well after 2 months.
that one is just made up... 80% of new run time is the normal figure for worn out batteries.. not 25% who is trying to kid who..
the pacifier bit is rubbish as well.. the article is simply describing a medium to heavy normal user and ex pack a day person..
why not just be honest and say these things are fit for light occasional use and not medium to heavy users..
two hours when new.. one hour after one week and f-cked after two.. anyone other than a light user or someone who owns a dozen and swaps between them on a regular basis needs to treat them as semi disposable items and budget for buying plenty of them..
its quite clear to me some posters in this place are deliberately setting out to mislead..
trog
"Do not overcharge your battery. The average battery will charge in 3 to 4 hours, do not leave battery on the charger for more than 4 hours to avoid overheating of the battery."
More BS. There's a cutoff that doesn't allow overcharging.
More BS. There's a cutoff that doesn't allow overcharging.
to follow up...
lets forget the "average user" stuff.. lets do some figures..
lets take Mr 5 puffs an hour.. his new batteries will last him 8 hours.. when they are half worn out he will still get 4 hours.. at 25% he will still get 2 hours.. lets call him Mr happy with his batteries bunny...
now lets take Mr 20 puffs an hour.. his new batteries will last him 2 hours.. when half worn out he will only get 1 hour.. at 25% he will get errr half an hour.. lets call him Mr totally ...... off with his batteries bunny..
i wont mention Mr "i own twenty different e cigs bunny and am also a five puff per hour user" his will never wear out..
trog
lets forget the "average user" stuff.. lets do some figures..
lets take Mr 5 puffs an hour.. his new batteries will last him 8 hours.. when they are half worn out he will still get 4 hours.. at 25% he will still get 2 hours.. lets call him Mr happy with his batteries bunny...
now lets take Mr 20 puffs an hour.. his new batteries will last him 2 hours.. when half worn out he will only get 1 hour.. at 25% he will get errr half an hour.. lets call him Mr totally ...... off with his batteries bunny..
i wont mention Mr "i own twenty different e cigs bunny and am also a five puff per hour user" his will never wear out..
trog
one more way of looking at it... 510 e cig battery.. 150 mah... atomizer draws.. near 1000 ma when powered..
this gives a true run time of around 8 minutes per charge.. or 480 seconds..
or one puff equals 5 seconds.. or 96 puffs per charge.. work out long long those 96 puffs would take.. thats the real run time.. this is when brand new.. from then on the mileage get less with each recharge..
trog
this gives a true run time of around 8 minutes per charge.. or 480 seconds..
or one puff equals 5 seconds.. or 96 puffs per charge.. work out long long those 96 puffs would take.. thats the real run time.. this is when brand new.. from then on the mileage get less with each recharge..
trog
I know this is a bit off-subject...but since people are deep into a battery discussion, is there any effective life-time for a USB passthrough?
If you are talking about the "cheap" 510 passthrough with an inline battery... in my case the effective lifetime was about 15 min. A piece of crap. I know other people have better look.
I have read about people using them for a very long time but my experience has been that they are a real gamble quality control wise. My best was actually the 510 which with light use lasted about 1 month and half almost 2 months and the worst was about 2 days (generic 401 knock off). If I was going to go back to a PT, I personally would look into the puresmoker version since it looks more heavy duty, but who knows.
I should mention that I may have done the 510 in by leaving it plugged in too long which is easy to do since it is useless unless the battery is charged up.
Oh and most of these don't have a battery in them. The 510 does and you can take it off line for a little while but I never had much luck using the battery alone for much longer than a standard 510 battery (no idea why).
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I did a few puff counts on the 510 (and others) and that was a little more than I got on average (M~80), but certainly within range (I did try to limit myself to about 5 sec drags which was a little unnatural IMO). 401s and 801s must draw a little less because I got about 200 and 240 drags out of 200mah and 240mah. I guess thts not new information just confirmation.
Not that subjective. I got 45 vapes (5 seconds each) from my 510. Get a PCC or a few spare batteries and attys. I never leave the house without my PCC or at least 4 spare 510's in my pockets.
"Do not overcharge your battery. The average battery will charge in 3 to 4 hours, do not leave battery on the charger for more than 4 hours to avoid overheating of the battery."
Yes and no. Lithium-Ion batteries won't overheat, but they WILL last longer if you don't allow them to charge once they reach a full charge. Likewise, don't fall for the line that you need to charge your batteries for at least 8-12 hours before using them for the first time. When the light turns green, they are charged. The old 8-12 hour rule is in reference to the older nickel-cadmium batteries.
Yes and no. Lithium-Ion batteries won't overheat, but they WILL last longer if you don't allow them to charge once they reach a full charge. Likewise, don't fall for the line that you need to charge your batteries for at least 8-12 hours before using them for the first time. When the light turns green, they are charged. The old 8-12 hour rule is in reference to the older nickel-cadmium batteries.
I should have mentioned that the average of 80 I got was all with brand new batteries. I am sure after a few charges it would be much less. I have one battery now that is about 2 months old and I doubt I can get much more than 30 if that. AS trog mentioned there is kind of a cycle in play here since as you charge the batteries they last shorter and shorter which makes you charge more and more and for me anyway as they drop down I naturally will try to compensate by taking bigger drags which burns the battery faster...
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