Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

[Lessifer]

And what Truth am I supposed to be Spreading?

Perhaps you can provide some Links to Studies showing that Nicotine use in Adolescent is Without Harm?

Then maybe we would have something to Spread.

You are the one asking for a legal restriction of activity, how about you provide some evidence that nicotine use in adolescence causes harm. NRT is approved for children as young as 12, so I'm sure some tests have been done, but that's not really the point now is it?

You FEEL it is bad, and therefore it should be restricted. Until you provide something other than a gut feeling, I don't really have anything more to say to you. I did actually provide a link to an article that cites a number of studies providing potential benefits of nicotine, and refuting the addictiveness of nicotine, I'll leave it to you to follow the citations. Or you can just stick with your gut.

Perhaps you(or I) should start a new poll:
Given the scientific evidence to date that nicotine is not addictive and is probably somewhat beneficial, that vaping is not harmful, and that vaping does not lead to tobacco use, do you think it is right to enforce an arbitrary age limit on the purchase of e-liquid that contains nicotine? *Please read through the thread and links provided within prior to voting.

Yes, I believe the government should parent where I cannot.
No, if I don't want my children vaping I will do my job as a parent and talk to them about it.
I'm still undecided.

 

[zoiDman]

You are the one asking for a legal restriction of activity, how about you provide some evidence that nicotine use in adolescence causes harm. NRT is approved for children as young as 12, so I'm sure some tests have been done, but that's not really the point now is it?

You FEEL it is bad, and therefore it should be restricted. Until you provide something other than a gut feeling, I don't really have anything more to say to you. I did actually provide a link to an article that cites a number of studies providing potential benefits of nicotine, and refuting the addictiveness of nicotine, I'll leave it to you to follow the citations. Or you can just stick with your gut.

Perhaps you(or I) should start a new poll:
Given the scientific evidence to date that nicotine is not addictive and is probably somewhat beneficial, that vaping is not harmful, and that vaping does not lead to tobacco use, do you think it is right to enforce an arbitrary age limit on the purchase of e-liquid that contains nicotine? *Please read through the thread and links provided within prior to voting.

Yes, I believe the government should parent where I cannot.
No, if I don't want my children vaping I will do my job as a parent and talk to them about it.
I'm still undecided.

Fair Enough.

Why Don't we leave there then.

 

[Jman8]

Just telling you what would happen if you Take This to the Average person on the Street and tell Him/Her you want to sell Nicotine to their Kids.

IMO, a fair question to the average person would be: would you rather kids buy products containing nicotine from the open market or the black market?

How do you think the average person would respond to that?

 

[erikajeanT87]

IMO, a fair question to the average person would be: would you rather kids buy products containing nicotine from the open market or the black market?

How do you think the average person would respond to that?

And with that and other points provided I have a new idea to propose: perhaps parental consent?

Opinions?

 

[zoiDman]

IMO, a fair question to the average person would be: would you rather kids buy products containing nicotine from the open market or the black market?

How do you think the average person would respond to that?

So are we going to make the Justification that because there is a Black Market, that Kids should be able to Buy Nicotine?

Because once you Open Up that line of thought, we can Apply it to Cigarettes. And then to Alcohol. And then to Drugs.

In Fact, using your Logic Jman8, Kids should be able to Buy Anything.

 

[zoiDman]

And with that and other points provided I have a new idea to propose: perhaps parental consent?

Opinions?

Isn't that what I proposed in the 3rd Post of this Thread?

 

[Jman8]

So are we going to make the Justification that because there is a Black Market, that Kids should be able to Buy Nicotine?

Because once you Open Up that line of thought, we can Apply it to Cigarettes. And then to Alcohol. And then to Drugs.

In Fact, using your Logic Jman8, Kids should be able to Buy Anything.

The "should be allowed" position makes it easy to match what occurs in reality.

The "should forbid" position denies that kids WILL buy nicotine products on the black market where age limits are laughed at. The should forbid position literally creates the black market. So, whatever talk there is about "danger," "kids" and "nicotine" just went up a few notches by those who advocate for "should forbid."

Congratulations on your short sightedness and lack of critical thinking.

 

[zoiDman]

The "should be allowed" position makes it easy to match what occurs in reality.

The "should forbid" position denies that kids WILL buy nicotine products on the black market where age limits are laughed at. The should forbid position literally creates the black market. So, whatever talk there is about "danger," "kids" and "nicotine" just went up a few notches by those who advocate for "should forbid."

Congratulations on your short sightedness and lack of critical thinking.

No One is Disputing that Some Kids will buy Nicotine from the Black Market Jman8.

But where Your "short sightedness and lack of critical thinking" is that the Same Amount of Kids will buy it from the Black Market as they would if it was Legal to Sell Nicotine to Kids.

But you know that. You just Didn't Mention it because it Doesn't Fit In well with your Argument.

 

[Lessifer]

And with that and other points provided I have a new idea to propose: perhaps parental consent?

Opinions?

I still have to ask, why have any restriction at all? Let's face it, if your 5yo is at the store alone with money and can buy their own e-liquid, nicotine is the least of your problems. In reality we're talking maybe 11-17 year olds, possibly up to 20 year olds in some states. Again, I have to ask why make any arbitrary restrictions at all?

Isn't that what I proposed in the 3rd Post of this Thread?

No, actually, you suggested a parent/friend circumvent a law to illegally provide nicotine to a child. Most of the time, "illegal to purchase" is followed by "or otherwise obtain, or possess."

 

[erikajeanT87]

Isn't that what I proposed in the 3rd Post of this Thread?

Sorry
Elaboration: kid going into vape shop with parent to choose what they want instead of parent illegally buying/giving it to a kid

 

[Jman8]

But where Your "short sightedness and lack of critical thinking" is that the Same Amount of Kids will buy it from the Black Market as they would if it was Legal to Sell Nicotine to Kids.

Speculation. I would argue more will buy from black market than from legal market due to typical teenage rebellion and fact they kids are currently being lied to about nicotine usage.

You don't really see 'teenage rebellion' occurring with say sugar that kids ingest daily. So, the lying and rebellion seem to go hand in hand.

Your sound bite point actually helped make my argument stronger. Thank you.

 

[zoiDman]

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No, actually, you suggested a parent/friend circumvent a law to illegally provide nicotine to a child. Most of the time, "illegal to purchase" is followed by "or otherwise obtain, or possess."

Can you please Post the City, State or Federal Law that says a Parent can Not give their Child an e-Liquid that Contains Nicotine?

 

[zoiDman]

Speculation. I would argue more will buy from black market than from legal market due to typical teenage rebellion and fact they kids are currently being lied to about nicotine usage.

You don't really see 'teenage rebellion' occurring with say sugar that kids ingest daily. So, the lying and rebellion seem to go hand in hand.

Your sound bite point actually helped make my argument stronger. Thank you.

So what makes what you Say not Speculation?

I'm not sure you can Sell the Concept to Most People that More People will Buy things from a Black Market than they Would if it was Legal.

But I'm sure you can Come Up with Something. Even if it is Just Speculation.

And BTW: Glad I could Help you with your Argument.

 

[Lessifer]

Can you please Post the City, State or Federal Law that says a Parent can Not give their Child an e-Liquid that Contains Nicotine?

CA Codes (hsc:119405)

From the CA Health and Safety Code:
To the extent not preempted by federal law, including,
but not limited to, the regulation of electronic cigarettes by the
United States Food and Drug Administration, it shall be unlawful for
a person to sell or otherwise furnish an electronic cigarette, as
defined in subdivision (b), to a person under 18 years of age.

 

[zoiDman]

Sorry
Elaboration: kid going into vape shop with parent to choose what they want instead of parent illegally buying/giving it to a kid

Is it Illegal for a Parent to give Nicotine to Their Children in your State?

 

[zoiDman]

CA Codes (hsc:119405)

From the CA Health and Safety Code:
To the extent not preempted by federal law, including,
but not limited to, the regulation of electronic cigarettes by the
United States Food and Drug Administration, it shall be unlawful for
a person to sell or otherwise furnish an electronic cigarette, as
defined in subdivision (b), to a person under 18 years of age.

Looks like you are Screwed in California.

So then This Poll is Not Applicable to those who Live in California. Because an 18 Year Old Age Limit is Already in Effect.

 

[Lessifer]

Looks like you are Screwed in California.

So then This Poll is Not Applicable to those who Live in California. Because an 18 Year Old Age Limit is Already in Effect.

Are you trying to get rid of me now? Just because my idiot politicians already made a knee jerk reaction, and the vaping community as a whole didn't bat an eye, doesn't make my position any less valid, and doesn't magically lend credence to yours.

I think there are less than 20 states that have not enacted some age restriction on the purchase of e-cigarettes.

 

[erikajeanT87]

Is it Illegal for a Parent to give Nicotine to Their Children in your State?

Yes

Loose e-cigarette laws may be hard to tighten

 

[zoiDman]

Yes

Loose e-cigarette laws may be hard to tighten

I knew that there was an Age Limit of 18 Years old to Sell, but what I was looking for was something like Lessifer provided. Which Deals with "Providing".

Because if there is, I Don't think what you Mentioned in Post #210 will work.

BTW - Is Possession by a Minor of an e-Liquid that contains Nicotine or an e-Cigarette Illegal in MO?

 

[zoiDman]

Are you trying to get rid of me now? Just because my idiot politicians already made a knee jerk reaction, and the vaping community as a whole didn't bat an eye, doesn't make my position any less valid, and doesn't magically lend credence to yours.

I think there are less than 20 states that have not enacted some age restriction on the purchase of e-cigarettes.

Not Trying to get rid of you at All.

But if what is Asked in this Poll is Already Illegal in California, then the Question is More of a do you Agree with it or do you Disagree with the Law.

And not what Much of this Thread has dealt with. Should there be a Law where there is Not One Already.