Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

[Lessifer]

Gotcha.

Kids can Use Nicotine. As long as it Isn't Yours.

Aw zoidman, I didn't take you as one who would stoop to selective quoting to misconstrue my point.

Here's what I actually said:

No, what it all boils down to is, I don't care if any particular child/teen(except my own) uses nicotine, but if they do, I don't want to restrict their access legally. When my child is old enough to make a case for using nicotine, I will listen and decide then if I think she should, but only for her. The rest of you can parent your own children. I just don't want the government tying your or their hands.

Do you see how one case lets parents actually be involved and help their children make decisions, and the other makes a blanket infringement based on an arbitrary number?

ETA: let me put it another way, I want to Protect the Children from potential Black Market scenarios, by Not Limiting their Legal Access to Nicotine.

To clarify even further, I am not against my child using nicotine, but I plan to discuss it with her once she's old enough to express an interest. I have no personal stake in anyone else's child. My stand on this issue does not impart my beliefs on you, yours would impose your beliefs on me and my child.


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[zoiDman]

Aw zoidman, I didn't take you as one who would stoop to selective quoting to misconstrue my point.

Here's what I actually said:


To clarify even further, I am not against my child using nicotine, but I plan to discuss it with her once she's old enough to express an interest. I have no personal stake in anyone else's child. My stand on this issue does not impart my beliefs on you, yours would impose your beliefs on me and my child.


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Why Don't you have the Last Word here Lessifer. Because I'm Not Sure how more here needs to be said.

I Don't believe that Minors (younger that 18) should be able to Legally Purchase e-liquids that Contain Nicotine. And Having No Age Limit not Viable because it Allows a Child of Any Age to Purchase Nicotine.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - I'm Just Curious.

What do you Think would Happen if this Poll was Taken out of the ECF and run on the National Level for the Entire Adult Population?

Do you think you could get even 1% of people to Say that there should be No Age Limit for buying e-liquids that contain Nicotine?

 

[caramel]

What do you Think would Happen if this Poll was Taken out of the ECF and run on the National Level for the Entire Adult Population?

What do you Think would Happen if a "Should vaping be illegal" Poll was Taken out of the ECF and run on the National Level for the Entire Adult Population?

 

[Lessifer]

Why Don't you have the Last Word here Lessifer. Because I'm Not Sure how more here needs to be said.

I Don't believe that Minors (younger that 18) should be able to Legally Purchase e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine. And Having No Age Limit not Viable because it Allows a Child of Any Age to Purchase Nicotine.

As you haven't provided any actual evidence as to why this would be a negative outcome, I'm not sure what else there is to be said either. If I understand you correctly, you are against kids Purchasing nicotine because you FEEL that it is wrong, and this feeling has no basis in any kind of scientific or rational arena.

BTW - I'm Just Curious.

What do you Think would Happen if this Poll was Taken out of the ECF and run on the National Level for the Entire Adult Population?

Do you think you could get even 1% of people to Say that there should be No Age Limit for buying e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

I have no doubts that it would be higher than 1%, a majority... probably not, not because it's wrong, but for the same reason you can't admit that you have no REAL reason to believe it is wrong. You still equate nicotine to smoking, and you've been so far ingrained to believe that smoking is evil, you just can't get past it. Perhaps if people were provided with the evidence that has been provided in this thread BEFORE being asked to respond, the outcome would be different.

 

[zoiDman]

What do you Think would Happen if a "Should vaping be illegal" Poll was Taken out of the ECF and run on the National Level for the Entire Adult Population?

I would say you would get 35% that would be fore making it Illegal. 50% for Legal to Adults. And the Rest would be Undecided.

 

[zoiDman]

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I have no doubts that it would be higher than 1%, a majority... probably not, not because it's wrong, but for the same reason you can't admit that you have no REAL reason to believe it is wrong. You still equate nicotine to smoking, and you've been so far ingrained to believe that smoking is evil, you just can't get past it. Perhaps if people were provided with the evidence that has been provided in this thread BEFORE being asked to respond, the outcome would be different.

A Majority?

This is Hanging at 12% inside of a Community that are All Pro-Vaping.

You tell the Average person on the Street that you want to Sell Nicotine to their Kids, and You'll get a Majority - An Overwhelming Majority, for Post #184.

 

[Lessifer]

A Majority?

This is Hanging at 12% inside of a Community that are All Pro-Vaping.

You tell the Average person on the Street that you want to Sell Nicotine to their Kids, and You'll get a Majority - An Overwhelming Majority, for Post #184.

at least you included the entire quote this time, though you still ignored the part that didn't suit your needs. Public opinion is not always right. Perhaps if people were provided the evidence that nicotine is not addictive, and can possibly be beneficial, and that vaping AS FAR AS IS KNOWN IS NOT HARMFUL* the outcome may be different. However, I don't doubt that there are many, probably even a majority, that would still have a knee jerk reaction based on fear and misinformation.

*relative to other activities

 

[zoiDman]

at least you included the entire quote this time, though you still ignored the part that didn't suit your needs. ...

I'm Not Ignoring anything.

Just telling you what would happen if you Take This to the Average person on the Street and tell Him/Her you want to sell Nicotine to their Kids.

Jeeze... Most people have Hissy Fit over using Cartoon Characters on "Tobacco Products". ie: Joe Camel. Saying that you are Targeting Young People.

And that is On Products that HAVE a age limit on them.

You start talking about No Age Limits and you can Kiss e-Liquids Goodbye.

 

[caramel]

I would say you would get 35% that would be fore making it Illegal. 50% for Legal to Adults. And the Rest would be Undecided.

And if I illustrate the question with a tattooed guy with a mohawk and a pipe-looking-mod, blowing clouds in a dirty alley near the dumpster?

 

[caramel]

Just telling you what would happen if you Take This to the Average person on the Street and tell Him/Her you want to sell Sorbitol to their Kids.

Fixed for ya

 

[zoiDman]

And if I illustrate the question with a tattooed guy with a mohawk and a pipe-looking-mod, blowing clouds in a dirty alley near the dumpster?

And this Relevant How?

 

[caramel]

And this Relevant How?

It shows that, with the average public, it's all about how you frame the question.

Ask "Whom should decide what children buy, the parents or the government?" instead and the results would be so different.....

 

[zoiDman]

It shows that, with the average public, it's all about how you frame the question.

Ask "Whom should decide what children buy, the parents or the government?" instead and the results would be so different.....

Gotcha

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[erikajeanT87]

This is confusing, but is also the norm. I heard you saying:
- morally I think the individual should be able to decide
- but with the way that society stands today and all the age restrictions ... there should be an age restriction for buying e liquid

I don't find this readily defensible, but also think it is very normal. Just kinda comes across as immoral. I don't think you are advocating for immorality per se, but the "should be an age restriction" is in that domain. Could just as well remain neutral on the issue and not contribute to the "should forbid" crowd.



- there are many threads on ECF where this will come up
- google search will reveal studies that convey medical benefits of nicotine
- from what I recall of the the above 2, the benefits include:
1 - appetite suppressant (addressing hunger / obesity issues)
2 - increased focus (addressing ADHD issues)
3 - plausible treatment for Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, or other brain issues
4 - plausible treatment (supplement) for depression

I also just want to add that PG continues to strike me as beneficial in reducing how often one may get a cold or even making the onset of a cold short lived. I keep wanting to start a thread for this as it keeps coming up for me. I think in my 3 years of vaping, I've had one cold. 15 years ago, as non-smoker, I averaged about 3 colds a year.

Then I shall remain neutral. Thanks I'll definitely check all that info out and I can kinda see the point of just nic compared to tobacco products (all the gazillions of stuff in them) I really think you should start a thread that'd be really interesting to see the discussion on that let me know if you do

 

[Lessifer]

I'm Not Ignoring anything.

Just telling you what would happen if you Take This to the Average person on the Street and tell Him/Her you want to sell Nicotine to their Kids.

Jeeze... Most people have Hissy Fit over using Cartoon Characters on "Tobacco Products". ie: Joe Camel. Saying that you are Targeting Young People.

And that is On Products that HAVE a age limit on them.

You start talking about No Age Limits and you can Kiss e-Liquids Goodbye.

What does the average person's misinformed belief have to do with what the law should be?

Instead of arguing that an age limit should be in place because people don't know any better and feel it should be there, why not help spread the truth and possibly change the misperceptions?


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[erikajeanT87]

Thank you zoiDman for starting this thread and everyone else putting in their opinions (the useful ones anyways) I still have the same opinion as my post #172 but it was different from when I first posted on this thread cuz of some of the good points people have proposed so I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has followed this thread

 

[fordp]

SMH at the 20 people who voted for children to buy nicotine.

 

[zoiDman]

Thank you zoiDman for starting this thread and everyone else putting in their opinions (the useful ones anyways) I still have the same opinion as my post #172 but it was different from when I first posted on this thread cuz of some of the good points people have proposed so I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has followed this thread

That's why I started this Thread. So Opinions, on BOTH Sides, could be Discussed.

I'm Glad you found some of the Points made to be of use.

 

[zoiDman]

What does the average person's misinformed belief have to do with what the law should be?

Instead of arguing that an age limit should be in place because people don't know any better and feel it should be there, why not help spread the truth and possibly change the misperceptions?


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And what Truth am I supposed to be Spreading?

Perhaps you can provide some Links to Studies showing that Nicotine use in Adolescent is Without Harm?

Then maybe we would have something to Spread.