Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

[Zelphie]

Can children buy caffeine? Yup. Considering this, it would be hard to reason why nicotine would be any worse. I have yet to hear of a child Od'ing on nicotine. I hear about 5-10 kids a year Od'ing and dying from caffeine.

A good companion poll.
Should children be able to buy caffeine? If the voters answers do not match they have been influenced by ANTZ propaganda,

One difference: They can actually drink the coffee. Because you didn't hear it, it didn't happen? If you found a source that says it did and a kid died or OD'd by drinking eliquid then I'm assuming the argument would be handed over to parental negligence. But that cant be since they should be able to legally buy it with no supervision,...right?
It has happened. My commentary is funded by ANTZ and the tin foil hat club.

 

[moonlite]

I think 110% they should not be able to buy any vaporizing products at all... the reasons are entirely selfish, I don't want these youtube videos of 15 year olds dripping & blowing clouds on the front page of the star.

I don't want a negative stigma associated to vaping. I don't want the "oh my god think of the children!" do gooders ruining what helped me quit smoking.

The fact is this, we've seen it 1000 times, the media & anyone pushing specific changes/restrictions (read big tobacco) will use the 1 in 10,000 bad story (read exploding batteries, minors vaping & being a gateway to tobacco etc) as a premise to justify reform.

Selling any vape products to minors just gives them ammunition, it's a terrible idea. We need to take the initiative to show that we go above and beyond what's reasonably required to keep vaping safe, and using it as a health benefit... it helps smokers quit, and will save healthcare millions (Canada) as a result. That's what I want to see on the news.

 

[Zelphie]

I agree with moonlight, that is certainly NOT the image we need! I already cringe at seeing late teens and early 20 somethings sub-ohming on mechs that they may or may not understand with direct lung inhale to make the biggest clouds. I don't personally care what people want to do, I just fear that the equipment is so easily purchased but the knowledge for safe use is not required, scary. And how does that make it look in legal terms for the rest?

 

[nyiddle]

early 20 somethings

Hey now, I'm an early 20-somethings (23 to be exact), and I enjoy my clouds. I was a 2 pack a day smoker since I was about 18 (my first cigarette was probably around age 15, I've been buying packs since I was 16), I quit a year ago, and since then have not bought a single pack of cigarettes (not gonna lie though: I have had the occasional boge when vaping just isn't viable, ie: on a camping trip).

I think the law should be that you need to be 18+ (or whatever age your state requires, mine requires 19+) to purchase ANY nicotine products. Sure, <18 year olds are gonna get their hands on the stuff, but really it was the same way with cigarettes, and I'd rather see a kid vaping than smoking cigarettes.

The thing that bothers me though, and I have seen it, are people who didn't smoke cigarettes at all (or very infrequently), yet they pick up vaping and vape juice with nicotine in it. I'm all for the idea of "not associating nicotine where it wasn't previously associated", which includes vaping in public places. I never enjoyed nicotine in the grocery store, so I shouldn't (and don't) enjoy nicotine in the grocery store just because I have a vape.

 

[Bored2Tears]

Uh.....resounding NO

 

[jdeedler]

um I think it should be 21 to buy nicotine and that children should NOT be allowed to buy any type of ejuice.

 

[Maiar]

One difference: They can actually drink the coffee. Because you didn't hear it, it didn't happen? If you found a source that says it did and a kid died or OD'd by drinking eliquid then I'm assuming the argument would be handed over to parental negligence. But that cant be since they should be able to legally buy it with no supervision,...right?
It has happened. My commentary is funded by ANTZ and the tin foil hat club.

Not to mention nicotine has a high toxicity compared to caffeine.

From a 2 second wikipedia source check.

The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans, and 0.1 mg/kg for children.[10][15] However the widely used human LD50 estimate of 0.5–1.0 mg/kg was questioned in a 2013 review, in light of several documented cases of humans surviving much higher doses; the 2013 review suggests that the lower limit causing fatal outcomes is 500–1000 mg of ingested nicotine, corresponding to 6.5–13 mg/kg orally.[16] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as Caffeine, which has an LD50 of 127 mg/kg when administered to mice.[17]

 

[Shilo]

I think it should be 18 just like cigarettes. With that being said, if a teenager has become addicted to cigarettes like we all did I'd rather see them vaping an ecig.

 

[Maiar]

But i'm torn on this issue. On the one hand. .... kids. They can find a way to get around laws just like their ancestors did. I'm not going to help them get loaded. On the other hand, we don't let them buy alcohol or tobacco, but we give them Ritalin... which in case your wondering, is literally the best speed ever created. The best. The kind of .... that lets you get a college degree in 4 days. The kind of stuff that us grown folks could use to get all the .... we have to do in a day done.

 

[Zelphie]

Hey now, I'm an early 20-somethings (23 to be exact), and I enjoy my clouds. I was a 2 pack a day smoker since I was about 18 (my first cigarette was probably around age 15, I've been buying packs since I was 16), I quit a year ago, and since then have not bought a single pack of cigarettes (not gonna lie though: I have had the occasional boge when vaping just isn't viable, ie: on a camping trip).

I think the law should be that you need to be 18+ (or whatever age your state requires, mine requires 19+) to purchase ANY nicotine products. Sure, <18 year olds are gonna get their hands on the stuff, but really it was the same way with cigarettes, and I'd rather see a kid vaping than smoking cigarettes.

The thing that bothers me though, and I have seen it, are people who didn't smoke cigarettes at all (or very infrequently), yet they pick up vaping and vape juice with nicotine in it. I'm all for the idea of "not associating nicotine where it wasn't previously associated", which includes vaping in public places. I never enjoyed nicotine in the grocery store, so I shouldn't (and don't) enjoy nicotine in the grocery store just because I have a vape.

I hear you and do agree.
I didn't mean that 20 somethings shouldn't be legally allowed to purchase eliquid or ecigs, mods, or sub ohm. I was just saying that I cringe at sub ohmers because all the equipment is easily available but the safety info to use it is not always available. I'm not saying you don't posses the knowledge, but I'm sure many don't.
*he used to have such a handsome face* Well, then then mangled face becomes the new face of vaping.

 

[redisin02]

I think we should have age restrictions but that is what parent consent is for. My parents after they found out I smoked would buy them for me.

 

[DadEh]

This should be a no brainer. That you must be 18 and over to purchase. However, my daughters friend who smokes a lot, wants to vape. In this case yes, I would rather see kids that already smoke beable to purchase a kit etc. However kids that have never smoked should just stay clear and having the law 18 and old is a good law as they may never bother with it and that is great. So I can't answer this poll as I am being pulled as to what to choose.

I agree with Deeo's comment

 

[Jman8]

Yay, another poll that shows the majority of vapers are pro regulation.

Apparently only me and a few others are consistent with our position about FDA regulations. I hope someday you will join us, and the world will be as one.

 

[zoiDman]

Yay, another poll that shows the majority of vapers are pro regulation.

Apparently only me and a few others are consistent with our position about FDA regulations. I hope someday you will join us, and the world will be as one.

It is what it Is.

I don't think this Poll, or Any of the Comments by either the OP or the Members here implies that Vapers are in favor of All State or FDA Regulations.

And I was Pleasantly surprised to see a Thread that was Devoid of Sweeping Generalizations and Rhetoric.

 

[Jman8]

It is what it Is.

I don't think this Poll, or Any of the Comments by either the OP or the Members here implies that Vapers are in favor of All State or FDA Regulations.

I think this thread implies that 90% of vapers (who answered this poll) favor some regulations, presumably by people that implement / enforce regulations in society. This one just happens to be at the core of TCA. Foundational, if you will.

Another one that I know you are aware of implies that 80% of vapers (who responded) favor mandatory policy within the industry.

I would say a majority of vapers (that participate in ECF polls) appear to say one thing "no regulations" or "regulations will kill the industry" while also voting on surveys that would leave regulators to believe that vapers do favor very strict regulations on ALL vaping products.

 

[zoiDman]

I think this thread implies that 90% of vapers (who answered this poll) favor some regulations, presumably by people that implement / enforce regulations in society. This one just happens to be at the core of TCA. Foundational, if you will.

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I Don't see why this comes as Such a Big Surprise to you?

e-Cigarette Regulations, like Just About Everything in Life, is not a Black and White issue. And just because a Person may Favor 1 Item out of a 100 Items of a Regulation Set, Doesn't mean that they are in favor of the Entire Regulation Set.

The Reverse is Also True.

 

[Rossum]

e-Cigarette Regulations, like Just About Everything in Life, is not a Black and White issue. And just because a Person may Favor 1 Item out of a 100 Items of a Regulation Set, Doesn't mean that they are in favor of the Entire Regulation Set.

Maybe, but if he's willing to give a huge federal agency the power to regulate an entirely new class of products in order to get that 1 item he wants, then he's playing with fire.

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe, but if he's willing to give a huge federal agency the power to regulate an entirely new class of products in order to get that 1 item he wants, then he's playing with fire.

Who is "He"?

Because if you are Talking about Jman8, he doesn't believe the FDA should Regulate e-Cigarettes in Any Way.

And believes that Children should be able to buy e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids if the want to.

 

[Rossum]

Who is "He"?

"He" is some who "may Favor 1 Item out of a 100 Items of a Regulation Set".

I believe in this context that excludes Jman.

 

[zoiDman]

"He" is some who "may Favor 1 Item out of a 100 Items of a Regulation Set".

I believe in this context that excludes Jman.

Gotcha.

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