Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

Should there be an Age Limit to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

  • I believe you should be an Adult (18 Years or Older) to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine.

  • I believe Anyone at Any Age should be able to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine.


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Jman8

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So, given that there is so much beyond our control already in the modern world--------- it is good judgement that we should "foist" nicotine as well as the "as of yet unknown" risks of vaping onto their plate as well?

That train passed about 3000 years ago. The forbiddance actually makes it more appealing, especially to kids, especially them who realize lots of older people enjoy it and seem to be doing quite alright.

If perfectly legal, honesty would work well. Here are the pros and cons, as unbiased as we can present them.
If forbidden, honesty could still work, but instead the norm is fear mongering. Even your post here had to go with "as of yet unknown risks" to make the point about children. That be fear mongering.

It also drives all other (harsh) regulations. Concede that it is likely dangerous/very harmful to kids and I (playing FDA's advocate) will have an easy time of displaying how your feeble arguments to allow adults to use is kinda silly given the level of harm that we "all" agree is very likely occurring with this product.

Hey look! Another smear piece noting yet another ANTZ finding about the harm of eCigs. And look vaping community just debunked this. But wait for it.... the article is probably true in the case of children, but couldn't possibly be true for adults. Or let's just say it is "unknown" right now and that way we can still discriminate against kids and scratch and claw to keep it available to adults.
 

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Really? Did you do some kind of research project, with provable data, to show this? Or is this just a made-up comment? :lol:

It sounds to me that you didn't actually QUIT....you merely stopped for a period of time. There is a difference you know.

Comment of me quitting cold turkey longer than any vaper has quit smoking via vaping can be backed up by proof. I welcome anyone that cares to investigate.

I did actually QUIT. That I CHOSE to start up again, doesn't take away from fact that I did quit. Or would be like me telling all currently vaping ex-smokers that you haven't quit yet, and we won't know for sure until you die. Cause you could start up again and until we know for sure you won't, then you have yet to quit.

So wait....now you're saying it IS addictive?

Nope, I'm saying given the lies around vaping that we are telling kids, they'll desire it more and use it more habitually and they will establish their own level of addiction. The person will establish the addiction based on own desire and influence from older generation and current peers. The substance will go on be mildly habit forming that it is.
 

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This will be slightly OT, but ties into why I take the position I do. Vaping in America is not smoking cessation, if it were, it would be in the hands of BP and no one wants that. We also don't really want vaping to be a tobacco product, both because tobacco control regulation is oppressive, and we don't want BT to have control of vaping either. We need vaping to be something completely different. The government, and even the general(non-smoking) public, are not interested in a lower risk tobacco option, they like having the demonized smokers that pay for everything, whether they know it or not. Vaping has to be able to stand, on it's own merits, and be generally recognized as safe, otherwise we lose. If all you can say is, it's safer than smoking, all you're going to get back is "so are the FDA approved quit methods." If you want it to be recognized as a non-tobacco product, stop comparing it to tobacco products.

Yes, the fact that once you start vaping you are likely to cut down your tobacco consumption, or quit it altogether, is great and it's a good reason for people to pick up vaping. It cannot be the only merit though, otherwise we're back in the circular realm of "is it smoking cessation?"
 

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Nicotine is more poisonous than arsenic and strychnine!

Still want kids to ingest it?

If you don't believe me, google it! Nicotine is also used in insect poison. There's no way around it, nicotine is bad for you! Yes, I vape it. but I'm also 57 years old. I don't want my grand babies eating rat poison, so why would I let them smoke or vape nicotine. Also, in Louisiana you have to be 21 to buy cigs.

Have you heard the phrase "the dose makes the poison?" Most things, in a large enough quantity, will kill you. In commercial e-liquid, the nicotine is at most a mild irritant.

Thank you for proving how arbitrary age restrictions can be(in bold). Or do you really believe that an 18 year old in California is more mature than a 20 year old in Louisiana?
 

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I'm waiting for mommy to give her 5 year old some money for candy and then he sees the little red cherry flavored bottle of e liquid and buying that instead... for all those in favor of a no age policy good idea! :D lmao

Yes because that happens all the time with things that are not necessarily "for children" but are not age restricted... If you want them kept behind a counter, fine. I've never seen them not behind a counter.

ETA: maybe the kid was really looking for this: http://www.amazon.com/Expressions-CHY-2-Cherry-Cherries-Freshener/dp/B000KBBBB6
 
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Yes because that happens all the time with things that are not necessarily "for children" but are not age restricted... If you want them kept behind a counter, fine. I've never seen them not behind a counter.

ETA: maybe the kid was really looking for this: Amazon.com: Auto Expressions CHY-2 Cherry (Cherries) 3D Scents car and Home Air Freshener: Automotive

so in that case it's up to the sellers discretion on whether or not to sell it to little Timmy and sad thing is is there's some greedy ... ..... out there
 

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so in that case it's up to the sellers discretion on whether or not to sell it to little Timmy and sad thing is is there's some greedy ... ..... out there

well, that would be the same for any consumer product that is "potentially" harmful but doesn't have age restrictions. Like knives, motor oil, air freshener, fuel additives that look like energy drinks, energy drinks. Maybe the discretion should be the parent of the 5 year old, letting them buy something at a store unattended.
 
well, that would be the same for any consumer product that is "potentially" harmful but doesn't have age restrictions. Like knives, motor oil, air freshener, fuel additives that look like energy drinks, energy drinks. Maybe the discretion should be the parent of the 5 year old, letting them buy something at a store unattended.

lol touche I couldn't agree with you anymore but I'm still going to have to disagree with you on the discussion of topic here
 
Anyone would agree to that...but this poll is asking one simple question and everyone is taking it out of context. Any sane adult knows the correct answer and there's only one. Certain people are using this poll to display their ignorance. Would you allow your 5 year old grand daughter to smoke nicotine mist in front of you? JESUS!
 
Show me where it states that it does not. I just watched and a matter of fact, pronounced dead, my girlfriend's mother die from small cell lung cancer ,in my home. She was 62 years old. Her husband died from pancreatic cancer two years before her. Both were heavy, heavy smokers...Any information to smoking not killing millions comes straight from the tobacco companies and the Washington lobbyist.


By the way, contrary to all reports, THE SKY IS NOT FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Anyone would agree to that...but this poll is asking one simple question and everyone is taking it out of context. ...

Actually, Most people have stayed On-Topic. And have sited Reason both For and Against for selling e-Liquids containing Nicotine to Kids.

Yes, there has been one or two Completely Ridicules comparisons made. But this is just a Time Honored technique of Trying to Deflect a Topic into one that No One would Disagree with. Which is supposed to Lend some sort of Credibility to the Person's position who made the Ridicules Comparison.

But aside from that, I think this Thread has stayed Pretty Much on Course.
 
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