Should Electronic Cigarettes be Regulated as a Medicine? Like the Nicotrol Inhaler or the Nicotine Patches and Gums?

[GinnyTx]

I'm hoping (and know it won't be true) as to that there won't be any regulation of the ejuice products.

that being said I know that's not going to happen the LEAST bothersome of these would be if it were say regulated as a "dietary supplement" such as herbal products are by the FDA. It's a really loose regulation that won't squelch product selection o nor taxed to death or artificial inflationary prices due to the cost of regulatory compliance if it's regulated under the pharmaceutical industry's standards.

we can hope.(and lobby)

 

[SuperTaz]

Humm....PVs technically have a trigger, a barrel , uses cartridges, gives off puffs of smoke...
.SECOND AMENDMENT !!!!!!!

 

[SuperTaz]

I think people on death row should be allowed to smoke.

And play with rope

 

[beckdg]

Second post from him pokes the bear...

This I responded to. He had to know someone would.

I cant see the things being suggested here will ever happen, complete fantasy.

The affection we're all delusional...

Regulated as it should be, yes. Banned outright or called a medicine, never gonna happen.

Define "regulated as it should be" please.

And after such a political statement...

No thanks, I'm not looking to get into a political debate. In short some regulations are needed as opposed to what we have now.

In light of our new found explanation let us realize how this all started.

I just call it as I see it. Not looking to make anything personal. But i don't turn the other cheek after repeated slaps.

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[Tangaroav]

Having been in an accident where the helmet actually caused a secondary injury and almost killed me I have to argue that one. Read the documentation that comes with helmets.
.....skidding type accidents at speeds up to 10mph... who rides at 10mph or less??
Helmets bounce, drop one and see for yourself, 60 % greater mass supported by your neck that bounces/recoil on impact. My neck injuries, per the dr, directly caused by the helmet.

Also the properly adjusted neck strap was literally choking me. I fought with those who were trying help because they didn't realize I could not breath.

Pet peeve, sorry. Big Brother is covering up a lot when it comes to helmets.

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I am happy you came out well after this accident. It is likely that without a helmet, you may not have been able to comment on this forum as your brain would have adsorbed the shock and possibly made you a ward of the state.

I would guess that you still wear a helmet as there is simply no better alternative for motorcyclists.

 

[Oliver]

Well I live in the UK and in 2016 e cigs will be regulated as a medicine. We'll have to see what happens in a years time. Will probably be left with cig a likes. I think though that the quality of e liquid will improve as the contaminants will be removed.

This isn't correct.

From 2016, all e-cigs across the EU will be regulated either under the tobacco products directive (2014) or under nation-states' medicines regulations. The TPD actually mandates that countries allow non-medicinal e-cigs on the market.

HOWEVER, the tpd also states the following:

Toxicological reporting to a "competent authority"
A "leak free refilling mechanism" for e-liquids/tanks
Bottles no bigger than 10ml, and e-liquids no stronger than 20mg/ml
and other points.

There's a lot of detail to be finalised on this, particularly on points 1 and 2, but England is possibly the single most liberal nation as regards how it wants to implement. I know this because I'm in regular contact with the DoH lead on implementation.

 

[SuperTaz]

better than... What?

In other words, what's so bad now that needs to be made "better"?

if it ain't broke....don't fix it!!!!

 

[Sgt.Rock]

Not no but HELL no

I suppose you figure that cappuccino machines should be regulated too?

Someone might get a buzz! Oh Noes!

 

[englishmick]

Go ahead and debate amongst yourselves.

Speaking for myself I would love for us to be able to do that.

 

[englishmick]

Did something bad happen on page 11 of this thread? Norton won't let me open it unless I accept responsibility for the consequences.


Correction: Never mind, now it lets me in.

 

[Rossum]

Should it be regulated just as tobacco is?? Yes.

Why? Because tobacco regulations have been so successful at ensuring that the products are safe, or at least not adulterated with substances that make them less safe? Or because tobacco regulations have been so effective at preventing minors from using tobacco products?

 

[Robino1]

Wow. I was actually afraid to poke my head in here this morning.

I must commend you all for actually taking the chill pill I passed out earlier.

Pat yourselves on the back for a job well done

 

[VapinWolf]

Wow. I was actually afraid to poke my head in here this morning.

I must commend you all for actually taking the chill pill I passed out earlier.

Pat yourselves on the back for a job well done

beckdg said it was a tic-tac!!....no wonder I calmed down so much....

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[beckdg]

I told all the ladies it was midol. They might be lethargic for a little while longer. [emoji23]

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[Robino1]

 

[WillyZee]

Shouldn't all Coffee machines be regulated by someone ?
Caffeine is a lot like Nicotine....
The Coffee Machine is a Caffeine delivery device....
Should we need to get a prescription to drink caffeine at Starbucks?

Keurig is working on it.


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[Jazzman]

I believe the FDA lost the ability to regulate ecigs as medical devices in the 2009 court case and cannot revisit. That's why they are pursuing regulatory restriction instead now. I know many of you think regulation is necessary, and I think reasonable regulation could actually be a good thing. The problem is that I don't think reasonable regulation is going to occur, but overreaching and all encompassing regulation is still the most likely outcome and that is something that is going to have a huge effect on our daily lives.

The other thing to keep in mind is with regulation comes taxation in almost every case. If eliquid is deemed as a tobacco product the same taxation that now applies to cigarettes will almost certainly be placed on all nic based juices at the very least (and very possibly devices and accessories). I think this taxation will happen almost immediately if the deeming regs are passed.

You may like regulation, but I don't think anyone will enjoy heavy taxation.

 

[Baldr]

What would happen? Would things be any better if ecigs were regulated as a medicine/smoking cessession product rather than being regulated as a tobacco product?

If the tobacco companies get their way, that will happen. They'll get regulated to the point where you can only buy their products, and where you have to buy a new cartridge when your old one runs out of juice - no refilling. They'll do it for our safety, of course. And they'll pay taxes similar to cigarette taxes, so that they can get the politicians to back them.

And vaping as we know it will die. But the cigarette companies and the politicians will make a bunch of money in the meantime.

 

[Rossum]

The other thing to keep in mind is with regulation comes taxation in almost every case. If eliquid is deemed as a tobacco product the same taxation that now applies to cigarettes will almost certainly be placed on all nic based juices at the very least (and very possibly devices and accessories). I think this taxation will happen almost immediately if the deeming regs are passed.

You may like regulation, but I don't think anyone will enjoy heavy taxation.

I don't think there's much direct relationship between regulation and taxation. Regulation is not a pre-requisite for slapping an excise tax on an arbitrarily defined product, nor does the FDA have the power to tax anything.

 

[VapinWolf]

I don't think there's much direct relationship between regulation and taxation. Regulation is not a pre-requisite for slapping an excise tax on an arbitrarily defined product, nor does the FDA have the power to tax anything.

Once deemed a tobacco product and under tobacco regulations, would not the already imposed taxes on said tobacco products kick in automatically?

Hopefully there is a grace period during which I can buy up all the liquid nicotine on the planet (within my $20 a week vape budget of course)

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