Should I use my stashed devices with built in batteries?
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If the voltage of a lithium-ion cell drops below a certain level, it's ruined. Lithium-ion batteries age. They only last two to three years, even if they are sitting on a shelf unused. So do not "avoid using" the battery with the thought that the battery packwill last five years.
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I agree they will lose some capacity over time even if stored at an optimal SOC (say 40%). But 2-3 years is mighty pessimistic. I have some rarely used cordless tools that are approaching 6 years and the batteries still perform decently.
its more or less 2-3 years unused.. not entire lifespan of the battery but if stored optimally unused at proper voltage 2-3 years without any maitenance will render them useless.. also dont forget that under voltaged li-ion cells even if brought back to life have a higher potential for a thermal runaway
"Stored Optimally" pretty much precludes "under voltaged"
the original quote did not account for someone properly maintaining voltage needed to prolong life"Stored Optimally" pretty much precludes "under voltaged"
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My only experience with a built in battery was with a DNA 40 mod from VaporShark. That mod kept discharging the batt slowly even when I five clicked it off and put it away for a while. If I remember correctly, it would discharge the batt in a few months. That's not good for long term storage.
If I wanted to keep this mod/battery healthy over time I would monitor battery charge level and recharge as required. This is not something I would put in my vapocalypse box. Personally, I would get to know these devices and use them pretty regularly if they couldn't be 'put to sleep' properly for storage.
My vapocalypse stash consists of a few mods that don't have any batts in them. Batteries will very likely not ever be a restricted item for us to buy, so I'm assuming I can always buy them in the future.
Hope that helps
I have had cordless power tool batteries go bad that weren't used for a while stored fully charged. Rechargeable batteries can last as long as they want or kiss the ghost at the most inopportune time. Same with devices with built in batteries there is an expected life and how long they last.
Exactly, not something i would put with MRE's and dry storage...
You know, my wife didnt appreciate them as much as i did/do, then again she is in the ARMY and i am a USMC Vet. something to be said i suppose considering when it comes to food i am WAY more picky... yet when it comes to calories and survival.... well anything will do.. i despise coffee yet ate dry coffee grounds for the calories/caffeine
I have one internal battery mod. I'm using it till it becomes a paper weight.
I have 6:mods in my stash. Every single mod in my stash uses 18650 except for my Provari that uses 18350 or 18490.
One example why I don't like battery U for an info source.
In this case it's a wide variable that needs attention to learn how each pack or cell will react.
Yet it's expressed as a hard rule that applies to lithium batteries, period.
And it damn sure doesn't in any way address any cell affixed to a circuit.
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In this case it's a wide variable that needs attention to learn how each pack or cell will react.
Yet it's expressed as a hard rule that applies to lithium batteries, period.
And it damn sure doesn't in any way address any cell affixed to a circuit.
Tapatyped
I will never say that there is any single source as an end all be all source of knowledge on any particular topic, but for someone wanting to know the most basic of questions it is a good start to getting feet wet and gain a little more understanding, especially if previous knowledge was nothing at all. Personally when doing my research i prefer no fewer than 3 reliable sources and then form my own opinion on whatever the topic is, preferably at least 5 sources.
But, Never mind that, what is your take on the OP's question?
There are a lot of questionable wisdom on batteries around the Net. So, just some common sense.
My iStick 30 is 2 years old, used daily (10-14 W), charged at least every other day. Do not think it lost a lot of capacity, at least I do not see it. My Kindle is 6 years old, still going strong. Of course Kindle is gentle on battery, but it can be seen as a model of battery storage (so, I suppose 6 years of storage is quite possible for a brand new battery). The main thing is to store mods in air conditioned room (or somewhere colder) and to check voltage. It's an easy part: just press fire button once in a few month (may be even once in a few years, I have no idea how fast discharge of an idle battery is). Charge when needed to 50% of full charge, or charge fully and vape for a while.
You might as well use them if you like them. Eventually the batteries won't work any more. I have an Istiick 50 watt. I'll keep it even if the battery is no good. If it were eventually my last working mod I'm confident I could find an electronics repaiir person to replace the battery with like kind and quality. That would cost more than a new mod but we're assuming a time when such mods are not legally available. No reason to discard mods that might be repairable if needs be someday.
I was surprised that I had 2 devices with internal batteries from 2012 when I first tried vaping are totally fine after years of not being used
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@VapeLuvr what devices were they if you would be so kind to share?
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