Sigelei 150w is it recommended to use Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 mAh unprotected or should I use Samsung INR18650-25R 3,6V 2500mAh. Flat Top or Button T

[DatguyRay]

First of, god bless I found this forum. Seems pretty nice to me. Just checked out some threads and found some helpful information.

Tho, I'm about to order the sigelei 150W mod and I hope this question could be answered as quick as possible. (Anyway).

sigelei 150w is it recommended to use Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 mAh unprotected or should I use Samsung INR18650-25R 3,6V 2500mAh. Flat Top or Button Top?

I'm a beginner by the way.

Thanks a lot guys!

 

[NealBJr]

Wow, nobody's answered this yet... Definately the Samsung INRs. Forgot to add... flat tops.

 

[DatguyRay]

NealBJr Thank you

It's a hard decision for me. Specs wise wouldn't you go for the higher wattage ones the Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 ?

If i may ask you why would you choose the Samsung INR18650-25R 3,6V 2500mAh?

Is it because the device only does 2500mAh or because of compatibility or something?

 

[Susan~S]

Hello and welcome to the forum Ray. Glad to have you here!

Sigelei 150w is it recommended to use Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 mAh unprotected or should I use Samsung INR18650-25R 3,6V 2500mAh. Flat Top or Button Top?

Looks like you were misinformed. Sigelei recommends 30A CDR batteries for their 150 watt box mod. Look for a Sony VTC4 2100mah battery. RTD Vapor usually has them in stock. And forget about getting a VTC5 as they have not been in stock at reputable suppliers for 6-9 months. All the VTC5's you will find are most likely counterfeit.

The Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 mAh batteries shouldn't be use in any mod due to their chemistry and low amp rating.
The Samsung INR18650-25R is a great battery but it is only 20A CDR.

BATTERIES

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
* Another essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.

Purple Efest Batteries not as Advertised
* A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes a commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.

BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY

Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.

* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics

 

[NealBJr]

NealBJr Thank you

It's a hard decision for me. Specs wise wouldn't you go for the higher wattage ones the Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 ?

If i may ask you why would you choose the Samsung INR18650-25R 3,6V 2500mAh?

Is it because the device only does 2500mAh or because of compatibility or something?

I do not see why anyone would recommend the Panasonic batteries at all for a 150w box mod. The Panasonic batteries have 12.6 amp rating from what I've seen. The mAh is how long the battery will last, it has nothing to do with any sort of compatibility. The Samsung INR's are rated at 20A limit.

A detail not really advertised much except in the Ecig industry is the amperage discharge rate. In essence, it's how much power you can draw from the battery before the battery gets overworked and heats up and ruins the battery. A 150w box mod can draw a lot of power from the battery. My Sigeli 100w can draw 22A max if I run a low subohm coil. If I decided on vaping that low of an ohm on my sigeli, I'd want a good amperage rated battery. When you draw too much power from a battery for any extended period of time, you run the risk of the battery overheating, and leaking.

The samsungs are recommended for safety reasons. The safe chemistry in the Samsungs mean you won't have to worry about the batteries venting. Flat tops because... well.. my experience with my sigeli is their battery compartments don't like button tops.

 

[DatguyRay]

Susan~S thanks a lot that helped me immensely. and for the warm welcome.
thanks for your precious time and help.

The Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 mAh batteries shouldn't be use in any mod due to their chemistry and low amp rating.
The Samsung INR18650-25R is a great battery but it is only 20A CDR.

So that's how it is.I would have gone for the ones with bigger capacity. Straight hand decision. Wouldn't even have had though in my wildest dreams that the lower capacity battery are better. So there must be more to it than just the watt specs.

Thank you I'm on the lookout for the Sony VTC might just buy them at RTD Vapor.


Thanks for the help guys it's appreciated.

 

[NealBJr]

The Sigeli 150W can output at most 22A. The samsung 25R is rated at 25a continuous, so there should be no problems here. The Sony VTC series are good, and rated at 30A. A bit better protection, and I would prefer Sony's over the Samsungs, but I'm trying to stay away from Sony's recently for several reasons... 1, is that there are so many counterfeiters. Yes, what Susan~S is saying is absolutely true %100. But I've found more counterfeit stories about Sony VTCs since they released the news that Sony was discontinuing them. Also, the price has skyrocketed. Even buying from a reptuable vendor, the Sonys have become overpriced.

So, Sony VTC series.. over priced, and higher chance of Counterfeiters.
Samsung 25R's, Still good batteries, better priced. lower chance of counterfeiters.
Panasonic batteries: Dangerous in a 150w box mod.

 

[DatguyRay]

NealBJr, I just saw your posting. Thanks for the clarification and taking time to reply back to me.

A detail not really advertised much except in the Ecig industry is the amperage discharge rate.

I'll be on the lookout for this piece of extra information. I have never used unprotected batts before. So that's something new to me.

Thanks

 

[DatguyRay]

very appreciated.

 

[Susan~S]

So there must be more to it than just the watt specs.

The chemistry of the battery and it's CDR (continuous amp rating) are the most important piece you should be looking at when buying batteries.

Read the link I provided regarding Purple Efest batteries. Baditude talks about Continuous vs Pulse discharge.

Here's the missing link that ties it all together.

OHM'S LAW

Ohm's Law for Dummies (Vapers)
* My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in layman terms and how it relates to vaping.

Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
* As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.

 

[DatguyRay]

I already love this forum and you guys. I've been trying too find an answer on google for 7+ hours and somehow I came across this forum and you answered my questions in minutes , i mean in seconds. comparing to googling it.

Thanks guys, that probably saved me a lot of hassle and probably even more time.

Some clerk recommended me the Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 for the IPV Mini 2.
So I just wanted to get sure that they are also good for the Sigeli 150W and what top is.

Thanks for answering my question guys

I do have another question if its not to off topic? I'm also looking to get an charger as the Sigeli doesn't have a usb port. What charger could you recommend me? And is/can it be dangerous leaving the unprotected Samsung/Sony batterys inside the charger let's say I'm clumsy and somehow forget to take them out. Would something happen in that case? Like an explosion? I don't know something like that.

 

[DatguyRay]

Susan~S I just noticed the links it looked like a signature to me at first. Thanks I'll be studying them.

//
aa, not rickrolled.. just a happy dance ! Thanks for the help! Nonetheless.

 

[DatguyRay]

As far as I understand protected batterys potentially are far more dangerous and obsolete and not to be used with the sigelei, rite ?

Does that refer to all high drain mods?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

 

[Susan~S]

Some clerk recommended me the Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 for the IPV Mini 2.

Don't use those batteries in your IPV Mini 2 either. A Samsung 25R 20A battery would be safe to used in that mod. The only thing the Panasonic NCR18650B is good for is low-drain applications like flashlights.

I'm also looking to get an charger as the Sigeli doesn't have a usb port. What charger could you recommend me? And is/can it be dangerous leaving the unprotected Samsung/Sony batterys inside the charger let's say I'm clumsy and somehow forget to take them out. Would something happen in that case? Like an explosion? I don't know something like that.

From Baditudes Blog (he's our resident battery/safety expert) on batteries (the 1st link I posted):

* Battery Chargers. Get the best charger that you can reasonably afford. Statistically most battery incidents occur while charging. Pila, Xtar, and Nitecore Intellicharger are the most recommended brands.

As a general rule it's not a good idea to leave batteries on the charger OR to charge them while you are sleeping/not at home.

 

[Susan~S]

As far as I understand protected batterys potentially are far more dangerous and obsolete and not to be used with the sigelei, rite ?

Does that refer to all high drain mods?

Yes,and yes. I don't recommend a protected battery for use in any mod.

 

[DatguyRay]

aw,

The only thing the Panasonic NCR18650B is good for is low-drain applications like flashlights.

okay. I see. jeez it's like their really dangerous. Really strange why he recommended them to me. I was about to buy the IPV mini 2 but then thought it would be a better idea to research a bit more it's just because these batterys are unprotected that's what bothered me the most.

Did any documented accidents happen with the Sigelei 150W. And I don't think that I need that much wattage. I've been eyeing at the Sigelei because of its protection features.

I'm not sure about the IStick50W the batts are not removable and who know's which ones are inside that device.

Pila, Xtar, and Nitecore Intellicharger are the most recommended brands.

I'll be on the lookout for them.

As a general rule it's not a good idea to leave batteries on the charger OR to charge them while you are sleeping/not at home.

Seems reasonable. I see.

It's just that I have been vaping on the small devices, i got one it kinda looks like a igo 650 mAh. At least that prevented me from taking the sticky ones. I noticed that's how people call them after they dropped the real ones.

Susan~S thanks a lot for taking time to help me

 

[Susan~S]

Did any documented accidents happen with the Sigelei 150W. And I don't think that I need that much wattage. I've been eyeing at the Sigelei because of its protection features.

I'm not sure about the IStick50W the batts are not removable and who know's which ones are inside that device.

Most vapers never vape at 150watts. They mostly buy it because it uses two batteries, i.e. longer battery life.

The iStick 50 watt is a great battery. I have 2 of them. They last a long time (4400mah) and you can use all of the recently release sub-ohm clearomizers on them. I also use my RDA's/RTA's on them.

 

[NealBJr]

aw, okay. I see. jeez it's like their really dangerous. Really strange why he recommended them to me. I was about to buy the IPV mini 2 but then thought it would be a better idea to research a bit more it's just because these batterys are unprotected that's what bothered me the most.

Did any documented accidents happen with the Sigelei 150W. And I don't think that I need that much wattage. I've been eyeing at the Sigelei because of its protection features.

I'm not sure about the IStick50W the batts are not removable and who know's which ones are inside that device.


I'll be on the lookout for them.


Seems reasonable. I see.

It's just that I have been vaping on the small devices, i got one it kinda looks like a igo 650 mAh. At least that prevented me from taking the sticky ones. I noticed that's how people call them after they dropped the real ones.

thanks a lot for the help and taking time Susan~S,

Lol, I was replying to other's post and missed this addition.

First, if you get a reputable charger, like the Xtar, or nitecore, they have a trickle mode. Once the battery reaches 4.2 volts, it will cut the power down dramatically so it doesn't overcharge. so leaving them in there is not a problem.

 

[DatguyRay]

Thanks guys, what's there else left to say. Thank YOU.

That looks like a good deal niicore it's retailing for 17$ http://www.amazon.com/NiteCore--i4-...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=8-1&keywords=nitecore

The iStick 50 watt is a great battery. I have 2 of them

Regarding the IStick and the way you charge it one last question. Does the Istick also have an overload protection features? Or do you set a timer or something like that to not forget to unplug the usb charger cable.

 

[Thrasher]

The panasonic b is not dangerous

What this conversation is missing is a bit of ohms law.
there is voltage, wattage and current or amperage. All 3 are connected and changing one affects them all.



so what happens in a mod is you want xxx watts at the coil. The battery voltage cannot change, and you have just defined the power setting (watts) the only thing left that can adjust is the amps being pulled out of the battery to try and get to the setting you want.

Every battery has a limit to what it can produce. They are all different, going over that limit can cause battery failure. So we need to make sure we pick batteries with limits higher then what they will be asked for.

In a multi battery mod it is amp limitx2, so 2 25 amp batteries gives you a window of 50 amps.

The panasonicb is rated at 6.8 amps it is a great battery for low power applications. But it will be way above its limits in a 100+ watt box mod


Also protected batteries are not used becuase the protection is a simple circuit breaker, everytime the mod tries to go above the amp limit of the breaker the battery will shut off. Which makes it useless for us