Signature peppermint?

[DeloresRose]

actually, the same question about TFA French Vanilla II...

I mixed up a test at
3% French vanilla
1% peppermint
And .5 each of TFA vanilla bean, marshmallow, and sweet cream. Those three I’m familiar with, no problem.

The mint is good, but it’s the predominant flavor, which was not my goal.

How does it age?

I’ve used the original version of the French vanilla and found it just kept growing and overpowered other flavors in time. Which is why I went sort of low on that and higher than I might have with the mint.

Is the new one similar? It doesn’t seem to smell or taste as French, which is fine, it’s just what I wanted.

Just wondering if anyone has any input for me.

 

[Marc411]

The peppermint is going to be forward and a ..... to get out of you tank. I moved from peppermint to candy cane (FW) and had much more success with my mixes. The candy cane will lay down quite a bit when it steeps.

 

[DeloresRose]

The peppermint is going to be forward and a ..... to get out of you tank. I moved from peppermint to candy cane (FW) and had much more success with my mixes. The candy cane will lay down quite a bit when it steeps.

Thanks, added to my cart.

Signature is not at all like TFA’s peppermint from the regular line. I think that should have come with an environmental hazard warning.

 

[NatashaTMT]

IMO, and limited experience with TFA peppermint, it’s VERY strong! I didn’t experience much if any mellowing after steeping. However, I only mixed it with TFA Double Chocolate... Which is pretty good if you like that sort of thing.

 

[JCinFLA]

I got the TFA Peppermint II (the version without ethyl alcohol) about 5 months ago, to make some for a vaping newbie who wanted to try a Menthol Tobacco eliquid and also a plain Peppermint one. Once I smelled the Peppermint II...I used just 3 drops in the 30mL bottle I made for him.

He said it was strong enough even at that, and he loved it. So I've been making it like that for him since then, just in larger quantities. He actually likes it much better than any menthol tobacco, even though he was a menthol ciggy smoker for 40+ years.

 

[DeloresRose]

I got the TFA Peppermint II (the version without ethyl alcohol) about 5 months ago, to make some for a vaping newbie who wanted to try a Menthol Tobacco eliquid and also a plain Peppermint one. Once I smelled the Peppermint II...I used just 3 drops in the 30mL bottle I made for him.

He said it was strong enough even at that, and he loved it. So I've been making it like that for him since then, just in larger quantities. He actually likes it much better than any menthol tobacco, even though he was a menthol ciggy smoker for 40+ years.

I never tried the II, but it sounds like the original. Ten mls of that would flavor a swimming pool.

Their signature is far less concentrated.

 

[Myk]

I have a pomegranate menthol that is 33% peppermint (TFA), 33% menthol, 33% koolada. That's a pretty good mix for the lighter flavors.

 

[Izan]

Thanks, added to my cart.

Signature is not at all like TFA’s peppermint from the regular line. I think that should have come with an environmental hazard warning.

"Signature" and TFA/TPA are the exact same products.
Bottles and packaging may vary, but the contents all come from the same source.

Use the same suggested percentages for TPA/TFA when using "Signature".
If the "Signature" version is OOS, substitute with TFA/TPA.
Cheers
I

ETA:
TPA/TFA Recipes only!

 

[DeloresRose]

I disagree. Signature is a TFA line, but but this particular flavor is not the same in both lines. I can’t comment on all of them, but I’ve had and used both TFA peppermint and Sig peppermint. Regardless of what their starting % say, there’s no way I’d use them interchangeably. A few drops of the former is plenty, the latter is closer to any other flavor.

 

[NatashaTMT]

"Signature" and TFA/TPA are the exact same products.

I disagree. Signature is a TFA line, but but this particular flavor is not the same in both lines.

I thought @Izan statement to be true. I just did a google search. I’m seeing people swearing to both to be true on both sides. Some say they know it’s the same and share an experience to go with to back up. Others are doing the same on the other end. I don’t have enough DIY experience to know yet but would really like to know. I’m curious of @IDJoel ’s opinion here

 

[IDJoel]

I’m curious of @IDJoel ’s opinion here

Afraid I don't have one here, @NatashaTMT. At least not a valid one. I have not used any of ECX's Signature line to compare. I had always presumed, when the Signature product was marked "TFA," that they were just the re-bottled/re-labeled house brand of the same product.

But, I suppose it is certainly possible, that TFA is making a proprietary custom blend strictly for ECX.

I yield to those who have firsthand experience with the product(s).

I will say, that there are other possible explanations, that could be the cause of the irregularity. There are the usual explanations of age/freshness, and manufacture's acceptable tolerance of variation during production. When re-bottling, the purchaser (ECX in this case) is almost always buying in bulk sizes (gallons, pails, even drums(?)) for best possible discount. This adds potential for other influences. Like incomplete re-mixing prior to dispensing/re-bottling (just like we shake our concentrates prior to mixing a recipe); and also extended time in bulk containers having excessive headspace, if not fully transferred upon opening (though I would think this would almost always cause lower potency... not greater).

But, the bottom line? I just don't know.

 

[NatashaTMT]

Afraid I don't have one here, @NatashaTMT. At least not a valid one. I have not used any of ECX's Signature line to compare. I had always presumed, when the Signature product was marked "TFA," that they were just the re-bottled/re-labeled house brand of the same product.

But, I suppose it is certainly possible, that TFA is making a proprietary custom blend strictly for ECX.

I yield to those who have firsthand experience with the product(s).

I will say, that there are other possible explanations, that could be the cause of the irregularity. There are the usual explanations of age/freshness, and manufacture's acceptable tolerance of variation during production. When re-bottling, the purchaser (ECX in this case) is almost always buying in bulk sizes (gallons, pails, even drums(?)) for best possible discount. This adds potential for other influences. Like incomplete re-mixing prior to dispensing/re-bottling (just like we shake our concentrates prior to mixing a recipe); and also extended time in bulk containers having excessive headspace, if not fully transferred upon opening (though I would think this would almost always cause lower potency... not greater).

But, the bottom line? I just don't know.

Thanks anyway! I find it interesting that so many feel so strongly both ways. I apologise though because I didn’t mean to put you on the spot!

 

[FranC]

The peppermint is going to be forward and a ..... to get out of you tank. I moved from peppermint to candy cane (FW) and had much more success with my mixes. The candy cane will lay down quite a bit when it steeps.

Is the Candy Cane less sweet?

 

[DeloresRose]

Afraid I don't have one here, @NatashaTMT. At least not a valid one. I have not used any of ECX's Signature line to compare. I had always presumed, when the Signature product was marked "TFA," that they were just the re-bottled/re-labeled house brand of the same product.

But, I suppose it is certainly possible, that TFA is making a proprietary custom blend strictly for ECX.

I yield to those who have firsthand experience with the product(s).

I will say, that there are other possible explanations, that could be the cause of the irregularity. There are the usual explanations of age/freshness, and manufacture's acceptable tolerance of variation during production. When re-bottling, the purchaser (ECX in this case) is almost always buying in bulk sizes (gallons, pails, even drums(?)) for best possible discount. This adds potential for other influences. Like incomplete re-mixing prior to dispensing/re-bottling (just like we shake our concentrates prior to mixing a recipe); and also extended time in bulk containers having excessive headspace, if not fully transferred upon opening (though I would think this would almost always cause lower potency... not greater).

But, the bottom line? I just don't know.

That’s entirely possible. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on this.


I can only say, I bought one 10 mls size of each, and they are vastly different.

The first one, TFA, put me off for a long time, because it was as strong as peppermint extract. I tested it at 1%, and it stank up the cupboard where I keep my juice stuff. It was eye-watering.

The Signature at 1% is a nice strong smell, tastes okay, could surely have used .5% instead. But it’s not at all unusable.

If you’re right and it was just not mixed right, I may find future batches to be super strong, and I’ll post about that. I hope not though, because this is pretty good!

 

[englishmick]

Strange business mixing juice. I make one recipe with 5% TFA Peppermint and 10% assorted fruit, mango or whatever. It's just right for me. Don't vape a lot of it, but it cleans my palate when my other flavors start muting on me.

TFA Spearmint blew my head off. I threw it out after half a tank.

 

[Myk]

Strange business mixing juice. I make one recipe with 5% TFA Peppermint and 10% assorted fruit, mango or whatever. It's just right for me. Don't vape a lot of it, but it cleans my palate when my other flavors start muting on me.

TFA Spearmint blew my head off. I threw it out after half a tank.

Wow! I can't imagine 5%.
I don't think TFA Spearmint mixes right. I make a double mint and something separates so when it gets down in the tank you get smacked with mint as the floating layer hits the wick.

@DeloresRose You can mix the recipe without the peppermint and then use your strong batch to blend. If the strong mint is 1% and you mix equal amounts to taste right .5% is the answer. 3 parts unminted to 1 part strong mint, .25%. Etc.
I'm not sure with mint being so strong taking over wicks but you may even be able to do it with drips in an RDA to get an idea of where to start.

 

[Marc411]

Is the Candy Cane less sweet?

Personally I use a small percentage so it add's low overall sweetness to my mixes and on 99% of my mixes I do not use any sweeteners. I haven't used peppermint in so long I really can't tell you how it compares.

 

[IDJoel]

Thanks anyway! I find it interesting that so many feel so strongly both ways. I apologise though because I didn’t mean to put you on the spot!

You didn't put me on the pot at all. "I don't know" is my go-to answer; and I ain't afraid to use it!

 

[IDJoel]

That’s entirely possible. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on this.


I can only say, I bought one 10 mls size of each, and they are vastly different.

The first one, TFA, put me off for a long time, because it was as strong as peppermint extract. I tested it at 1%, and it stank up the cupboard where I keep my juice stuff. It was eye-watering.

The Signature at 1% is a nice strong smell, tastes okay, could surely have used .5% instead. But it’s not at all unusable.

If you’re right and it was just not mixed right, I may find future batches to be super strong, and I’ll post about that. I hope not though, because this is pretty good!

Because you have actually used both; I respect your opinion a heck of a lot more than my own!

When I read your post, I went back to TFA's webpage, and see that they have three different Peppermint offerings listed in their Spec Sheets:

Only the "Peppermint Flavor**" has actual GC/MS data (the other two don't). The "II" version appears to be without alcohol (when I read their descriptions). I have no idea what the "(OS)" version is; but a wild-arsed guess is thinking maybe(?) "over seas" (no other entry found on their site)???

I am just wondering, if ECX isn't selling one of these versions under the TFA label, and selling one of the other two under their house Signature label. Two different formulas would explain the difference in taste perception.

Still... I am only guessing.

 

[PJReid]

I think you are using too much vanilla in you vanilla mint.

This is a nice mint from Wayne Walker - he calls it Pillow Talk.

1.5% CAP Peppermint (you could use whatever Peppermint you like - I use FA's)
2.5% CAP Marshmallow (again, use what you like - CAP isn't as great as it used to be, FA is good, TFA is fine)
3% TFA Vanilla Bean Gelato (I would use Vanilla Bean Ice Cream, your favorite)
.5% FA Cream Fresh
.5% FA Meringue
1% TFA Cotton Candy (EM)
.5% TFA Sweetener

HIC has a similar one (he uses all FA flavors, subs will work)
Heart of Andes recipe: smooth vanilla-mint, like the center of Andes' Mints candy

2% FA Peppermint
1% FA Vanilla Bourbon (Classic will work okay, but Vanilla Bourbon's better here)
1% FA Vienna Cream
1% FA Fresh Cream
1% FA Marshmallow

Both are nice and refreshing. Each can use a 4 or 5 day steep.