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A Day's Wages for a Loaf of Bread



Then there is the massive global bird and fish kill.



The winter solstice eclipse where the moon turned red a few weeks ago



The massive floods in brazil and australia. The death toll in Brazil is now over 500.



Wars and rumors of wars, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and North & South Korea



The earthquakes.....Port au Prince Haiti and Christchurch New Zealand




The interesting thing about the 2 large earthquakes in 2010 is the name of where they both happened. I think this is significant. Port Au Prince means Port of the Prince in Haiti and the city Christchurch is obvious by the name. Jesus is the Prince of Peace and the Christ. Interesting.....that those 2 cities suffered very large and damaging earthquakes. I just can't say that's a coincidence.

I've been reading so much for the last week on bible prophecy and what is going on in the world and I'm convinced that we are now in the great tribulation and that it either started in 2010 or 2011.

I found a post online that goes into the daniel 70 weeks prophecy and from his calculations it started in 2010. I'll post it here shortly if anyone is interested in reading it.
 

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How would the news impact you if you suddenly knew – from receipt of the evidence – that Daniel’s ‘70th week’ started in 2010; that the Abomination of Desolation event will therefore take place in 2013; and that Our Lord will return in 2016; and the ‘Millennial Kingdom’ will commence in 2017?

The above is a very real possibility – based upon an amazing analysis of Daniel 9 and the Book of Revelation.

And straightaway, of course, if the above is true, there was NO pre-trib rapture!

I’m pretty sure I know what you are thinking now!

If you are anything like me you have probably recoiled in shock and distaste, and thought NO WAY!

Yeah. That’s what I thought until I took the time to hear the analysis; see the Biblical linkages; and observe with ‘fresh eyes’ what has become of the world around me.

To say I am a bit stunned would be an understatement. But I have been through everything set out in the presentation of the above (which I will give you the link to below) twice now. And I am about to go through it again, very carefully, taking detailed notes and cross-referencing anything I have not fully understood before.

I think Daniel 9 and the 70 weeks may be another example of a Biblical ‘dual prophecy’, one mode of interpretation clearly pointing to the entry of the Messiah into Jerusalem at Passover, 32 A.D., and His subsequent crucifixion (69 weeks), and a second mode of interpretation – just as valid as you will see – that prophecies the EXACT timing of the ‘last day events’ (With the70 weeks, now looked at as 70 Shavuots – Shavuot (Hebrew) means “weeks": The Feast of Weeks – or 70 Feasts of Pentecost, of which there is one a year. So 70 years.)

An obvious example of a dual prophecy (also occurring in Daniel) is the reference to the ‘little horn’ in Chapter 8; 9-12., which is often considered by many to prophesy both Antiochus Epiphanies and his desecration of the Temple in 168 BC (by banning the Jewish sacrifices, erecting an altar to Zeus in the Temple, and slaughtering a pig on the altar!), which sparked off the Maccabean revolt, and also prophesying the end times ‘anti-Christ’ still to be revealed of whom Antiochus was a foreshadowing type.

Does it seem so unreasonable then, that Daniel’s 70 week prophecy (Chpt 9; 24-27) should contain a dual prophecy, both of which refer to the Messiah, and which independently spell out for us (when unravelled) The Messiah’s First Coming and His Second?

And it is only recently that we would have the evidence building up in such a way that it could be unlocked. The birth of Israel (declared a ‘nation in a day’, May 14 1948), and the date of the UN Resolution (29 November 1947 – Resolution No: 181) ‘commanding’ the ‘going forth and establishing’ of a new, independent State of Israel, are crucial.

In fact, the UN Resolution – the command or worldwide authorisation to restore Israel as a nation – is the start of the clock (running for a ‘generation’ – i.e. 70 years – during which ‘all these things’ shall come to pass! 1947 + 70 = 2017)

Just like the starting of the clock for Messiah’s first advent with the command to go forth and restore Jerusalem given by Artaxerxes Longimanus (in response to Nehemiah’s request) on 1st of Nisan B.C. 445. (14th March 445 BC by our Gregorian Calendar)

Both prophecies and their dates are precise and one of a kind. The first based on 70 weeks of 7 years each (a day for a year) from the start date; the second based on 70 ‘feasts of Shavuot’ – or 70 years from the second start date.
Our Messiah may well be here within the next seven years.

Kind of causes goose bumps once you get over the initial reaction of automatic denial (a natural reaction, because we think ‘why has this not been spelled out by some great Bible scholar before?’), and start to take it on board.

2016.

Now, there is far too much for me to summarise and explain from scratch here in a message post, and there is a very clear 2 hour presentation here:

Daniel’s Timeline:

http://www.waytozion.org/video/stream/timeline/timeline.html

I suggest you just watch it through first. Then for a second viewing be armed with pencil and paper and Bible, or E-Sword on, so you can pause and look things up for your own satisfaction and confirmation of what is presented.

The above link is to the 2 hour Video – pretty good quality.

Below is the start link to the You Tube presentation (in 12 parts) (not quite such good quality):

Daniels Timeline - Part 1 of 12 - Understanding End Time Prophecy/Tribulation Period:



And here is the ‘Daniel’s Timeline’ website. (But the video is easier to comprehend for a first hearing of these details – then come back to the text notes.)

Daniels Timeline Report

And another website by someone who seems as excited as I was when this began to sink in, and started to ‘check out’ under all my own follow ups of ‘Biblical feasts’, ‘Shavuot’, historical dates, etc.):

‘End Times’
End Times - July 16th, 2010


I urge you not to instinctively recoil from this evidence and knowledge.

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” (Hosea 4: 6)

More and more it all seems so much beyond coincidence to me the way this prophecy (of the Second Coming) seems to fall easily into place once you refresh your mind on a few basics. And if it is correct – and I’m beginning to come to that conclusion as I study it – we will soon be receiving some pretty powerful confirmations.

It means the Anti-Christ and False Prophet are alive and well among us, for a start, and it certainly begins to make a ‘rapture’ of the Church seem doubtful. But again, don’t refuse to look at what may be truly important because of attachments to prior belief. We have to have ‘the love of Truth within us’ first and foremost. That is part of the love of Our Lord. ‘I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life.’

The Holy Spirit is also ‘The Spirit of Truth’.

And it also seems to me just like our God, that He would conceal two prophecies relating to His Son’s two advents in one prophetic vision, and with the one relating to the latter times not becoming accessible and visible until these last days!

“And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
“Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
“And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
“Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
“But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.” (Dan 12: 9-13)

Our Lord may be arriving on this suffering planet much sooner than many of us had been expecting!

Imagine that.

We may well be the ones to actually witness Our Messiah’s return. But this time not as ‘the suffering servant’ and ‘sacrificial lamb’, but as the Judge of Nations – the Lion of Judah.
 

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Global food chain stretched to the limit

Soaring prices spark fears of social unrest in developing world

- poor harvests in Canada, Russia and Ukraine
- hot, dry weather in South America has cut production in Argentina, a major soybean exporter
- ooding in Australia wiped out much of that country's wheat crop
- Higher oil prices are also pushing up the cost of food



Global food chain stretched to the limit - Business - Consumer news - Food Inc. - msnbc.com
 

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The rapture has not happened because the 1st Seal has not been opened. First, the Seal judgments. Everything that God does has order. The Book of Revelation presents the Tribulation Judgments in three distinct series, in chronological order starting in Chapter 6 through Chapter 19. The Seals start it, then the Trumpets, and then the Bowls. With each set, the judgments get progressively worse.

The 1st Seal Judgment is:

Rev. 6:1-2 - (New King James Version) - Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder "Come and see." 2) And I looked, and behold a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him and he went out conquering and to conquer.

This is the anti-christ. He is on a white horse....people look to him to 'save the day,' as a white horse in Biblical times denotes conquer! He only has a bow and no arrows. So what does that mean? He doesn't have to fight to get into being world leader, as it's a warrior's bow, symbolizing he has control over all weapons. He conquers with words and 'authority.' He's the man with the plan. 'A crown was given'......the people just give him this authority and they put him into a position of becoming their ruler. He hasn't fired a shot. The whole world won't fall all at once, but before long, he becomes the world's head honcho. The biography of the anti-christ is done in Chapter 13.

Also, the peace treaty with Israel takes place at this time since this anti-christ may be Jewish. (Just like Jesus....imitator.) He will probably rule from Jerusalem, while the false prophet will rule from Rome.

So, that is why the Tribulation 7 years hasn't been started as yet. You really don't want to know how bad it's going to get. The 4th Seal wipes out 1/4 of the world's population within a short amount of time. What we are going through now is like a pre-quel.:(
 

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The rapture has not happened because the 1st Seal has not been opened. First, the Seal judgments. Everything that God does has order. The Book of Revelation presents the Tribulation Judgments in three distinct series, in chronological order starting in Chapter 6 through Chapter 19. The Seals start it, then the Trumpets, and then the Bowls. With each set, the judgments get progressively worse.

The 1st Seal Judgment is:

Rev. 6:1-2 - (New King James Version) - Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder "Come and see." 2) And I looked, and behold a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him and he went out conquering and to conquer.

This is the anti-christ. He is on a white horse....people look to him to 'save the day,' as a white horse in Biblical times denotes conquer! He only has a bow and no arrows. So what does that mean? He doesn't have to fight to get into being world leader, as it's a warrior's bow, symbolizing he has control over all weapons. He conquers with words and 'authority.' He's the man with the plan. 'A crown was given'......the people just give him this authority and they put him into a position of becoming their ruler. He hasn't fired a shot. The whole world won't fall all at once, but before long, he becomes the world's head honcho. The biography of the anti-christ is done in Chapter 13.

Also, the peace treaty with Israel takes place at this time since this anti-christ may be Jewish. (Just like Jesus....imitator.) He will probably rule from Jerusalem, while the false prophet will rule from Rome.

So, that is why the Tribulation 7 years hasn't been started as yet. You really don't want to know how bad it's going to get. The 4th Seal wipes out 1/4 of the world's population within a short amount of time. What we are going through now is like a pre-quel.:(

I totally agree with you, Saints. Daniel's 70th week is about the Jews finishing the period of time allotted to them for their sins. It has nothing to do with the church. People who try to make it otherwise are subtly falling into replacement theology. The church is not the Jews and the Jews aren't the church.
 

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Birthpangs.......and warning.....God's grace before the wrath...Grace in showing we can not lean on the arm of any man, no man has the answers to these animal deaths, that is of course unless you believe that a truck hit them, they gorged themselves on too much food, ate too many grapes and became drunk, we frightened to death and their organs burst, etc.....
Many non-believers think it is government cover up, which it may well be. If that is the case, then we truly can not rely upon our government. However, we CAN and MUST rely upon the One who IS able to save.
These are interesting times.....Lord, open our eyes that we may see and repent...turning from self/man to You...Almighty! Pray saints pray....I know you are :).

Lisa...interesting about the earthquake names, I hadn't connected the names.......WOW! JUST WOW!
 
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Birthpangs.......and warning.....God's grace before the wrath...Grace in showing we can not lean on the arm of any man, no man has the answers to these animal deaths, that is of course unless you believe that a truck hit them, they gorged themselves on too much food, ate too many grapes and became drunk, we frightened to death and their organs burst, etc.....
Many non-believers think it is government cover up, which it may well be. If that is the case, then we truly can not rely upon our government. However, we CAN and MUST rely upon the One who IS able to save.
These are interesting times.....Lord, open our eyes that we may see and repent...turning from self/man to You...Almighty! Pray saints pray....I know you are :).

Lisa...interesting about the earthquake names, I hadn't connected the names.......WOW! JUST WOW!

Yes, some do believe it's a government conspiracy of HAARP or something, and it very well might be. God uses the governments to do His will. The governments killed Jesus, the governments destroyed the temple, He uses the authorities to fulfill prophecy and do His will. The mark of the beast and such will be carried out by the governments too and that will be the final separation of the sheep and the goats.

Nothing happens apart from His will, He is in control of everything.

You're right, we have to pray, pray and pray until that final day. Things are going to get incredibly hard and it's only through prayer, faith and the Holy Spirit that any of us will finish this race to the very end.

We can do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hold your heads up high, your redemption draws near!!!!!!!!!! Praise God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He will sustain us, He is faithful, He is holy, He is righteous and He will not let us fall if we draw close to Him! Thank you Jesus!!!

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The rapture has not happened because the 1st Seal has not been opened. First, the Seal judgments. Everything that God does has order. The Book of Revelation presents the Tribulation Judgments in three distinct series, in chronological order starting in Chapter 6 through Chapter 19. The Seals start it, then the Trumpets, and then the Bowls. With each set, the judgments get progressively worse.

The 1st Seal Judgment is:

Rev. 6:1-2 - (New King James Version) - Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder "Come and see." 2) And I looked, and behold a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him and he went out conquering and to conquer.

This is the anti-christ. He is on a white horse....people look to him to 'save the day,' as a white horse in Biblical times denotes conquer! He only has a bow and no arrows. So what does that mean? He doesn't have to fight to get into being world leader, as it's a warrior's bow, symbolizing he has control over all weapons. He conquers with words and 'authority.' He's the man with the plan. 'A crown was given'......the people just give him this authority and they put him into a position of becoming their ruler. He hasn't fired a shot. The whole world won't fall all at once, but before long, he becomes the world's head honcho. The biography of the anti-christ is done in Chapter 13.

Also, the peace treaty with Israel takes place at this time since this anti-christ may be Jewish. (Just like Jesus....imitator.) He will probably rule from Jerusalem, while the false prophet will rule from Rome.

So, that is why the Tribulation 7 years hasn't been started as yet. You really don't want to know how bad it's going to get. The 4th Seal wipes out 1/4 of the world's population within a short amount of time. What we are going through now is like a pre-quel.:(

I believe the antichrist is already alive and doing his work behind the scenes, and won't come into view until there is a major catastrophic event, possibly in the next few years. I'm thinking probably 2012-1013 or shortly after.

As far as a peace treaty, I've learned after many years of research that we only hear one tiny fraction of what is really going on behind the scenes. They do things on a daily basis that we know nothing about because it's covered up, censored and the media is not allowed to report it and are never told about it.

It might not have happened yet, but then again, we have no idea what really goes on behind the scenes, so I wouldn't bet the farm that they haven't signed some agreement secretly either. That's where the scripture comes into my mind not to lean upon your own understanding because we really don't know every piece of this puzzle yet because the governments don't tell us most things.

But, the things we can see, the signs, are already happening, and we can't deny those things. It's clear that 2010 was a horrific year and it's only gotten worse. I believe the tribulation has already started. I know you are hanging onto the pre-trib rapture as your deciding factor, but maybe that was wrong?

I was really hoping that it was true, but didn't believe it in my heart. I'm thinking mid or post. Hoping for mid, but preparing for post.
 

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I totally agree with you, Saints. Daniel's 70th week is about the Jews finishing the period of time allotted to them for their sins. It has nothing to do with the church. People who try to make it otherwise are subtly falling into replacement theology. The church is not the Jews and the Jews aren't the church.

total agreement.... :thumbs:
 

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Lisa, my dear Sister, I'm so sure that I would bet the farm, the cattle, horses, sheep, chickens, pigs.....the whole thing. I am as sure of this as I am of my salvation. Why? Because God revealed to me about the removal of the Holy Spirit from the earth via the rapture, and why this has to be done before I even read about the removal of the 'Hinderer,' in 2 Thess. I said, "Whoa.":blink: When I read this Scripture, my mouth fell open.:ohmy:
 

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Lisa, my dear Sister, I'm so sure that I would bet the farm, the cattle, horses, sheep, chickens, pigs.....the whole thing. I am as sure of this as I am of my salvation. Why? Because God revealed to me about the removal of the Holy Spirit from the earth via the rapture, and why this has to be done before I even read about the removal of the 'Hinderer,' in 2 Thess. I said, "Whoa.":blink: When I read this Scripture, my mouth fell open.:ohmy:

:thumbs: I don't have a farm to bet--just my cat and I would bet him as well as much as I love him. We aren't in the tribulation right now and won't be.
 

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Lisa, my dear Sister, I'm so sure that I would bet the farm, the cattle, horses, sheep, chickens, pigs.....the whole thing. I am as sure of this as I am of my salvation. Why? Because God revealed to me about the removal of the Holy Spirit from the earth via the rapture, and why this has to be done before I even read about the removal of the 'Hinderer,' in 2 Thess. I said, "Whoa.":blink: When I read this Scripture, my mouth fell open.:ohmy:

Ok, then I need convincing. How did He show you? How exactly did He reveal it to you? I need details! Lots of details!!!! :)
 

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Ok, then I need convincing. How did He show you? How exactly did He reveal it to you? I need details! Lots of details!!!! :)


I don't remember what I was doing at the time. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking at the time, but I'm sure I was studying the Book of Revelation in some fashion, thinking about the rapture and BAM I received a word of knowledge, and I thought......"Well of course! That makes perfect sense!" Lisa, I have a different relationship with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit than most people do. It's cut and dry. The Word says it and I believe it. It's that simple. But if I'm pondering on something and all of a sudden BAM, I know it's of God. How do I know? Well, it rushes you like a defensive tackle and all of a sudden, you know all of it and it keeps unfolding, enhancing, really, exposing different facets, covering all bases. I may have been asking the Lord for clarity. I honestly don't remember. But I remember the first time I heard that Scripture and I thought TOUCHDOWN!!!!!! I got all kinds of excited.

In all honesty, I'm not always sure that what I hear is from God the Father, or Jesus, through the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I think I'm just talking to myself. But when a Word of Knowledge hits you, you know....beyond a shadow of a doubt. I depend on God for everything. I love Him deeply. He is who I am. And He's never let me down. I've let myself down, other people have let me down, but not Him.:wub:

I used to think that God answered my prayers only as I was holding onto my last thread of hope. I couldn't understand why He waited so long. I now know and understand why. He wants me to know that HE answered my prayer.....not something from man, but Him! Like Abraham and Sarah. Sarah was welllllll past child bearing years. Why did God wait so long? To show that the conception was an answered prayer by Him only. It's a different look at it, but it's true. So, just ask Him for knowledge and wisdom. He'll answer. He'll help you be discerning and answer questions. Whew! Is that details enough??????? I WROTE A BOOK!!!!:laugh::laugh:
 

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I don't remember what I was doing at the time. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking at the time, but I'm sure I was studying the Book of Revelation in some fashion, thinking about the rapture and BAM I received a word of knowledge, and I thought......"Well of course! That makes perfect sense!" Lisa, I have a different relationship with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit than most people do. It's cut and dry. The Word says it and I believe it. It's that simple. But if I'm pondering on something and all of a sudden BAM, I know it's of God. How do I know? Well, it rushes you like a defensive tackle and all of a sudden, you know all of it and it keeps unfolding, enhancing, really, exposing different facets, covering all bases. I may have been asking the Lord for clarity. I honestly don't remember. But I remember the first time I heard that Scripture and I thought TOUCHDOWN!!!!!! I got all kinds of excited.

In all honesty, I'm not always sure that what I hear is from God the Father, or Jesus, through the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I think I'm just talking to myself. But when a Word of Knowledge hits you, you know....beyond a shadow of a doubt. I depend on God for everything. I love Him deeply. He is who I am. And He's never let me down. I've let myself down, other people have let me down, but not Him.:wub:

I used to think that God answered my prayers only as I was holding onto my last thread of hope. I couldn't understand why He waited so long. I now know and understand why. He wants me to know that HE answered my prayer.....not something from man, but Him! Like Abraham and Sarah. Sarah was welllllll past child bearing years. Why did God wait so long? To show that the conception was an answered prayer by Him only. It's a different look at it, but it's true. So, just ask Him for knowledge and wisdom. He'll answer. He'll help you be discerning and answer questions. Whew! Is that details enough??????? I WROTE A BOOK!!!!:laugh::laugh:

I understand what you're saying, I really do. I have those "ah ha!!!!!" moments too sometimes, but they aren't always from God I don't think, but my own mind working things out. Could be from God, and could be from my own mind, I can't always tell the difference.

I know you are 100% convinced, and that's ok. But, I'm still not......my gut still tells me no........I hope you're right tho! :):):)
 

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I want to say I mean no disrespect to any of my family in Christ here by posting this. I'm not criticizing, or belittling anyone's beliefs. This is just my understanding of these Scriptures. Obviously, I'm not a scholar, but I wanted to share with my family what I believe. God Bless you all!

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2 Thessalonians 2

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,

2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?

6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
(I believe this is the Holy Spirit.)

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 

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I want to say I mean no disrespect to any of my family in Christ here by posting this. I'm not criticizing, or belittling anyone's beliefs. This is just my understanding of these Scriptures. Obviously, I'm not a scholar, but I wanted to share with my family what I believe. God Bless you all!

In His Love,


'T'

2 Thessalonians 2

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,

2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?

6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
(I believe this is the Holy Spirit.)

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Yep, that's the one! TOUCHDOWN!!!! I had no idea that was in Scripture. Since my Word of Knowledge is backed by Scripture, that is the proof. But I already knew it was from the Lord.:w00t:
 
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