Silver Bullet & Tenergy RCR123a Problem...

[Remrey]

So, here's my problem.

I just got my Silver Bullet earlier in the week.
I ordered a set of Tenergy RCR123A 3v batteries and the "smart charger" for them.

The 1st charge/set of batteries worked like a charm. When those got low, I swapped into a freshly charged set and put the spent ones of the charger.

The new batteries were burning hotter than I'm used to (even for 6v) but worked for most of the day. They didn't seem to get much cooler, though. They seemed to constantly burn extra hot. I kept the atomizer wet, though.

However, at the end of the day, suddenly things got even hotter. Like, too painful to puff on. This lasted about two draws and then, poof, the Atomizer dies.

Thinking perhaps it was a fluke and something was up with that atomizer, I switched to a freshly opened atomizer. Blew out the primer, loaded it with juice and away I went. Three or so puffs in, the same thing happens: Super hot and then the atomizer pops.

Thinking something was up with the batteries and being rather upset at blowing two atomizers inside of a 10 minute span. I pull my half charged set of batteries off the charger, load them up, and try another fresh atomizer. And again, the same exact thing happens.

So, I try my 3rd set of batteries. All of which, I have marked into pairs.
And I try them on a Catromizer that I don't really care too much about. Same thing! They burn way too hot. Vapor literally pours out of the mouth piece like it's cigarette smoke (which I've never seen happen) and then pop goes the Carto.

Now, I'm down to one atomizer and I'm afraid to experiment at all and find out what's going on for fear of loosing the last atty I've got.

Any suggestions? I'm completely lost as to what might be going on here.

 

[Knifemaker]

You might want to switch to some 3.V, as many of the 123's will zoom to over 4. when charged!

Exactly why surefire doesn't want them used in they're lights.

I could be wrong though. I'm new to this vaping thing. But an old hand at higher end flash lights. I ordered 3.0 recharge ables, and ended the problems with the lights.

Mike

 

[doots]

Are you using Tenergy 3.2v or 3.6v or 3.7v batts?

If you are using 3.6 or 3.7 that are charged to say 4v+ each, you are getting 7+ and trying to use a reg atty will not work long as you are seeing.. A carto probably even worse.

You didnt say what type atty you are using that I remember.

You can use some attys at 6+v but it depends on what atty you are using. If you could post that I am sure everyone could give you some pointers//

I ONLY use HV attys at that voltage. An atty with a resistance of at least 3.3 to 4.5 or even 5.2 ohms for 6+v vaping. A Reg 510 probably comes in at 2.3-2.5 ohm range.

 

[RedAlert]

I'm using the the tenergy 3.0v rcr123a in mine and they work without a hitch. If youre using some other charger than what is sold with them, they can go to 4.19v....no good. When mine come off the charger they are at 3.6v, but after 2 hits using them, they drop to 3.2 and stay there. Also, some use them I dont, but the regular 510 attys are too low of a resistance to use constantly at 6v. I've been using 3.5 ohms and they work great. Still warm and clouds of vapor. 4.5 ohms worked really nice to, but it was a cool vape.

 

[warlike36]

I believe its the attys. I have had like 13 attys in the past couple weeks ALL pop in minutes if not seconds. It doesnt matter if its 3.7 or 6 or 4.5 Im tellin ya the attys at this point in time a simply f^&k(n JUNK !!! And in NO WAY am I putting this on our suppliers. China needs to get there heads back in the game.

As a side note the HV and XHV attys are performing in the same manner.....simply garbage !!!!!

 

[Remrey]

Are you using Tenergy 3.2v or 3.6v or 3.7v batts?

If you are using 3.6 or 3.7 that are charged to say 4v+ each, you are getting 7+ and trying to use a reg atty will not work long as you are seeing.. A carto probably even worse.

You didnt say what type atty you are using that I remember.

You can use some attys at 6+v but it depends on what atty you are using. If you could post that I am sure everyone could give you some pointers//

I ONLY use HV attys at that voltage. An atty with a resistance of at least 3.3 to 4.5 or even 5.2 ohms for 6+v vaping. A Reg 510 probably comes in at 2.3-2.5 ohm range.

It says on the battery 3.0v. They're also LiFePO4 if that matters at all.

The Silver Bullet is threaded for 510 atties. So that's what I'm using. Just the genuine Joye 510s.

I've used these same style atomizers in my Mako w/ CR2s at 6.v without a problem. So, I kind of assumed that it wouldn't be a game changer for the RCR123As.

 

[Remrey]

I'm using the the tenergy 3.0v rcr123a in mine and they work without a hitch. If youre using some other charger than what is sold with them, they can go to 4.19v....no good. When mine come off the charger they are at 3.6v, but after 2 hits using them, they drop to 3.2 and stay there. Also, some use them I dont, but the regular 510 attys are too low of a resistance to use constantly at 6v. I've been using 3.5 ohms and they work great. Still warm and clouds of vapor. 4.5 ohms worked really nice to, but it was a cool vape.

It's a Tenergy Brand charger. It came all bundled up in a box together.

I may have to look into HV Atties. But, it just confused me because these atties work fine with 6.v on my Mako (using CR2s)

 

[woody1911a1]

It's a Tenergy Brand charger. It came all bundled up in a box together.

I may have to look into HV Atties. But, it just confused me because these atties work fine with 6.v on my Mako (using CR2s)

two different batteries and i'm assuming 2 different chargers even though i do have a charger that has a spacer that'll do both .

at this point , and i recommend to anyone that has moved up to mods , BUY A MULTIMETER !!!!! you can find them online for like $10 .

what is the voltage of your batteries coming off the charger ? you don't know

what is the resistance of your atties ? you don't know

however you've just poofed a nice chunk of change and you have no way to diagnose the problem .

i could speculate and you could just throw money at the problem , but why ?

 

[RedAlert]

Also as a note, if your SB has a "hotspring" (copper colored spring) in it, it can push a higher voltage due to much lower device resistance. This is awesome for 3.7v users, but it is a little much when using with 6v. You can order the original type spring from Rob at altsmoke for like 2 bucks. It'l take like .4volts off the total output. I prefer to use the hotspring so it's a great 3.7 device and when I want HV, just switch to a higher ohm atty(3.5 seems good)

 

[brandon555]

Do yourself a favor and get some BE510s... They can be had at Bestecig.com or vaporspot.com if you want to go through a US supplier and skip the wait time.

Bauway attys also work well, but I find that you HAVE to remove the wick or they taste like crud. The wicks they use are poor quality or something.

The Bauways are 3 ohm and I believe the BE's are 3.2ish

I don't even use Joye 510s at 5 volts because they get way too hot and always taste burnt... Joye 510s work best on 3.7

 

[Remrey]

two different batteries and i'm assuming 2 different chargers even though i do have a charger that has a spacer that'll do both .

at this point , and i recommend to anyone that has moved up to mods , BUY A MULTIMETER !!!!! you can find them online for like $10 .

what is the voltage of your batteries coming off the charger ? you don't know

what is the resistance of your atties ? you don't know

however you've just poofed a nice chunk of change and you have no way to diagnose the problem .

i could speculate and you could just throw money at the problem , but why ?

I have a pretty nice multimeter, I've had it for years. But only break it out when I find myself having power issues with a computer or whatnot.

So, I just broke it out here and threw the batteries on it.
I'm getting a solid 3.5v - 3.6v per cell on these bad boys.

The charger came bundled with the batteries and it's advertised as not over-charging. I suppose that was wrong.

I suppose I could discharge the batteries somehow until I get them down to a solid 3.0v a piece. But, I really shouldn't have to go through all that trouble.

I'm wondering if I should try a different brand/style or 123's that won't run so high on a fresh charge?

 

[Israfil]

hmm...honestly the voltage normally listed for a battery seems to be about the average voltage over the life of the battery. My ultrafire 14500 (3.7 volt) always charge up to 4.1 or so even though they've got overcharge and discharge protection on them as well as a smart charger.

I've never heard of attys popping so fast on a SB...I can only think that maybe it's the wrong batteries of that size...

If you bought these http://www.batteryjunction.com/rc375reliba.html then the reason they're 3.6 is because they charge to 3.6. (look at the specs on the page)

I'm still looking around to see if I can find true 3 volt batteries at that size, but everything seems to charge to 3.6 or so.


Ok, after some research I've found that the batteries will run 3 volts when loaded (due to internal resistance), though they'll read the full 3.6 unloaded on multimeter. I'm about ready to place blame on either the atomizers, or the amount of juice IN said atomizers. 6 volts (especially on a full charge) is pretty hard on attys. They need to be kept drowning fairly well. Even at 5 volts I drip 3 drops instead of two.

 

[brandon555]

Get some different 510s.... Joyes suck at 6 volts

 

[jasezero]

I've been using a true Joye atomizer at 6v for the past few weeks with no problems. On my SB with Tenergy's. I haven't had any problems with them except for once where it seemed like one pair wasn't holding a full charge...but that problem disappeared anyhow.

 

[Brad524]

My favorite combo is 2 LifePo's, Joye atty, in my SB. 2 or 3 drops shouldn't make much of a differance. It can help to make the atty last longer by breaking it in a little @ 3.7v, instead of starting of right at 6v.