Skoal vs Tobacco Cigarettes vs Vaping
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Swedish Snus to be specific. The tobacco in them is steam pasteurized rather than flue cured. This minimizes production of the TSNAs, which are almost certainly what's responsible for the increased risk of oral cancer associated with domestic smokeless tobacco products. That said, I'm confident that even domestic smokeless products are safer than smoking.
Welcome back! If I'm not mistaken, there's some decent smokeless tobacco forums.
Personally, I'd go swedish snus. Skoal is pure nasty .
Personally, I'd go swedish snus. Skoal is pure nasty .
Iirc the cancer locations are different but the danger is about equivalent. With dipping you get mouth and jaw cancer instead of lung cancer
My Cousin loved Skoal. Told me once that he saw No Reason to quit. That is, until they told him he had Mucosal Cancer.
You could try skoal, if your desire is to ruin your teeth and gums (dentists LOATHE dipping tobacco) and I do believe the cancer rate is lower overall compared to tobacco as you are not igniting it. However, it's also a HUGE bolus of tobacco-chemical goodness, and probably isn't the greatest choice.
I would suggest Swedish snus over skoal myself, it's been proven to be as good a method of harm reduction compared to tobacco. I also know some folks in the smokeless tobacco forum are getting good results from Nic salt pouches, or even using them and adding a bit of "WTA" liquid (whole tobacco alkaloid eliquid) to achieve good results.
Perhaps you will find some of these options more satisfying than vaping OR smoking, although they can tend to be more expensive.
You cam try skoal if you wish. There are some significant downsides, and yes, it is possible to get jaw or mouth cancer (equally true of smoking really) although if I am understanding things correctly, dippers get less cancer overall than smokers, it might be a somewhat safer choice.
I have met many "long term" dippers and they have a very hard time (quite often) giving up the practice, later on down the line, so please be cautious. Skoal is not without risk, and often dippers transitioning to vaping have quite a hard time, due to the amounts they wind up consuming.
But, why not give it a try?
Also, do you ever like, give yourself time frames? For example, I will try vaping to reduce my dual use for two months, and see what happens? It's going to be hard to land anywhere unless you give something, ANYTHING a reasonable chance of working.
Also, you are a smoker. I was a smoker, and a 3 ppd one. I did not expect to transition to vaping without a certain measure of suffering (USING WTA, nic salts, etc.) and I did suffer. You are not going to know if vaping or anything is going to work for you without a certain measure of suffering for probably at LEAST a month, if not more. I spent my "suffering" time learning all about vaping, so I could best enjoy vaping once detox ended and my craving subsided.
I don't know that "vaping isn't working for you" I'm not sure you've given it enough time.
Best of luck as usual. Let us know how it goes.
Anna
I would suggest Swedish snus over skoal myself, it's been proven to be as good a method of harm reduction compared to tobacco. I also know some folks in the smokeless tobacco forum are getting good results from Nic salt pouches, or even using them and adding a bit of "WTA" liquid (whole tobacco alkaloid eliquid) to achieve good results.
Perhaps you will find some of these options more satisfying than vaping OR smoking, although they can tend to be more expensive.
You cam try skoal if you wish. There are some significant downsides, and yes, it is possible to get jaw or mouth cancer (equally true of smoking really) although if I am understanding things correctly, dippers get less cancer overall than smokers, it might be a somewhat safer choice.
I have met many "long term" dippers and they have a very hard time (quite often) giving up the practice, later on down the line, so please be cautious. Skoal is not without risk, and often dippers transitioning to vaping have quite a hard time, due to the amounts they wind up consuming.
But, why not give it a try?
Also, do you ever like, give yourself time frames? For example, I will try vaping to reduce my dual use for two months, and see what happens? It's going to be hard to land anywhere unless you give something, ANYTHING a reasonable chance of working.
Also, you are a smoker. I was a smoker, and a 3 ppd one. I did not expect to transition to vaping without a certain measure of suffering (USING WTA, nic salts, etc.) and I did suffer. You are not going to know if vaping or anything is going to work for you without a certain measure of suffering for probably at LEAST a month, if not more. I spent my "suffering" time learning all about vaping, so I could best enjoy vaping once detox ended and my craving subsided.
I don't know that "vaping isn't working for you" I'm not sure you've given it enough time.
Best of luck as usual. Let us know how it goes.
Anna
Long cut wintegreen Skoal is where it is at. They sell it in 5 can packs. Get some today.
Even better if you live in the South, because there chicks dig Skoal rings.
Even better if you live in the South, because there chicks dig Skoal rings.
I've enjoyed tobacco in its many forms for over half a century, I -love- the flavor. Even though I quit smoking five years ago I still enjoy the taste and lung feel of inhaling real tobacco flavor, but now I vape it.
Cigarettes: If I were still smoking cigarettes I'd likely be dead by now but if not I'd be spending at least $6K per year for the pleasure and another 10K per year for emphysema treatments/meds.
Snuff/Chewing tobacco: Sucking tobacco juice/spit never was my thing, I don't like dipping or chewing although back in the 70's I tried both on more than one occasion. Many of my friends dipped since they couldn't smoke where we were stationed at the time. With the possible exception of SNUS, dipping and chewing aren't risk free either. Throat cancer killed one of my friends and another had mouth cancer, both dipped (Skoal).
Pipe: This was my pleasure during the last decade of smoking. Although you don't deeply inhale like when smoking cigarettes it still takes a toll on your lungs and sinuses. I had a chronic nagging cough when I quit that was borderline disabling. This cough manifested back when I smoked cigarettes but didn't go away when I switched to smoking pipes.
Smokeless cigarettes: The flavor was so anemic I might as well have been mouthing candy cigarettes. Placebo effect for those able to be easily convinced something's actually there.
Vaping NET: Vaping Naturally extracted tobacco caused me to quit smoking. Within months my chronic cough disappeared completely and I could breath much easier. I get to enjoy the flavor of various tobaccos and blends (Latakia, Virginia, Perique, Oriental, Cavendish, etc..) but without burning them. Had WTAs been around back then I'd have mixed it in with the NETs, but I have no need/desire for it at this point. Since I make my own NETs it costs me less than $100 a year vaping ~10mls a day. Likely saved my life and costs next to nothing. Who says you can't have your cake and eat it too.
You know, oral tobacco is even WORSE than smoking in my opinion.
I smoked for God knows how many years. Dipped Copenhagen at the same time. Always had a wad in my mouth. After about 5 years of Copenhagen, my gums were shot. Had to have a gum tissue graft to be able to keep my teeth. Let me tell you, that was no fun.
Saddest part was, after more years of smoking, I started dipping again AFTER already having a gum tissue graft. Talk about ridiculous. I honestly think oral tobacco like that is much more addictive than smoking even.
Do what you will, but with tobacco, you're either trashing your lungs or your mouth/teeth.
I smoked for God knows how many years. Dipped Copenhagen at the same time. Always had a wad in my mouth. After about 5 years of Copenhagen, my gums were shot. Had to have a gum tissue graft to be able to keep my teeth. Let me tell you, that was no fun.
Saddest part was, after more years of smoking, I started dipping again AFTER already having a gum tissue graft. Talk about ridiculous. I honestly think oral tobacco like that is much more addictive than smoking even.
Do what you will, but with tobacco, you're either trashing your lungs or your mouth/teeth.
I have a friend who dips. Tried to quit about the same time i quit smoking. He tried vaping, used a pen type vape with a kanger tank of some sort or other. He vaped for about 2 months and went back to dipping. Excuse was that vaping hurt his throat and lungs. Nevermind that he tried to get 2 months out of a coil or wouldnt explore other devices or juices other than a tobacco flavor. Never could figure it out. Probably couldnt handle PG very well. Told him not to come cryin when his lips fall off.
Alright, isn't there a flavor difference between? SNUS and SKOAL.
You pointed out that you smoked and chewed at the same time, I wonder if this had an effect on the tissue graft more than if you just chewed by itself.
Right, but I am comparing the dangers of cigarettes vs chewing the tobacco and it seems skoal would be the better choice for me as of the current situation, maybe not in the future.
Long cut wintegreen Skoal is where it is at. They sell it in 5 can packs. Get some today.
Even better if you live in the South, because there chicks dig Skoal rings.
I get the skoal ring...but its from the circle pack of breath mints I have.
gah. I missed that it was nicotineisbomb was the one who started this thread. huge history of trolling. I dont think answers are what he's after.
No one here can quantify for you whether Skoal or smoking carries a greater danger. All you will ever get here is speculation. Put on your big girl pants and take responsibility for your own self and make a decisision on what you need to do for yourself. No one else can help you.
You say that, but I knew a wrecker driver that chain smoked like crazy sitting around in his truck all day/night while working. He decided to quit and got a wooden dowel rod, the same size as a cig, cut it to length, and painted it to look semi-real. He used that to cut down and eventually quit. Essentially what he did was every other time he felt compelled to smoke he would just put that in his mouth and go through the motions, effectively cutting his smoking in half. Then he would do that 2 out of 3 times he wanted a smoke, and just kept going down in smokes until all he needed was the harmless wooden stick.
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