Love it!!! And I'll have to look at the HES F-100 - my M-8 has been giving me some dry hits lately lololol
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Love it!!! And I'll have to look at the HES F-100 - my M-8 has been giving me some dry hits lately lololol
This DAMN thing is the REAL DEAL! I have nothing against the Provari V2 and YES, I have VAPED on them, but DAMN, vaping at 3V with a Boge SR 2.0 ohm cartomizer FREAKIN' feels like you are VAPING at 5.5V! The VMAX is TRULY a BEAST!
It really is a magnificent device; and yes, there seems to be something about the PWM that just really puts the current out there. I love the way it sizzles, much like a MIG welder crackles. This is NOTHING like I've vaped before, although this is my first experience with any VV device.
I've already been accused - twice now I think - for being a "fanboy", but I take exception to that. Inherent in that term is the sentiment that the "fanboy" in question is advocating his thing at the expense of the facts, which I think I've been careful not to do. I am a big "fan" so far, that part is true.
I love this thing.
Ok so who wants to be the hero and post the instruction manual? Anyone? Freakin menu is all cattywampus.
Scan it.. .pdf format
Type it out
I ain't to proud to beg ya'll.
Scan it.. .pdf format
Type it out
I ain't to proud to beg ya'll.
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Found these three manuals online and copied them to a single pdf and uploaded to Mediafire.
Hope it helps. Link below:
Smoktech Vmax User manual.pdf
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What facts, John? If you mean the facts about the thing, you're right. You haven't been advocating the thing at the expense of the facts about the thing. Instead, you've been advocating the thing without regard to the facts about the people to whom you are advocating it. There's a distinction there. If there wasn't, then it would be logically impossible for anyone to be a fanboy as long as the thing was the absolute best thing there was. Do you not see the difference?
Maybe my definition is wrong. Is it only being a fanboy if you neglect the facts about the thing but the facts about the person are irrelevant and you can ignore them?
When someone can copy and paste the very same recommendation to everyone and anyone, with no regard to any individual wants, needs, experience or circumstances; when someone can paste in the same recommendation without reading past the first line that asks, "what do I get?".... I dunno what that is, but it begins to tread the line close to fanboyism.
I think a fanboy neglects facts about both the thing AND the person to whom he is advocating it.
So, like I told you before, you're not being a fanboy, and I never accused you of that exactly. It doesn't meet my definition.
Is there such a thing as a hemifanboy?
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This DAMN thing is the REAL DEAL! I have nothing against the Provari V2 and YES, I have VAPED on them, but DAMN, VAPING at 3V with a Boge SR 2.0 ohm cartomizer FREAKIN' feels like you are VAPING at 5.5V! The VMAX is TRULY a BEAST!
Hmmm.. this is beginning to get a little.. disturbing. If you're vaping a 2ohm carto at 3v, that would be 4 and a half watts and shouldn't be a very "beastly vape" In fact, it should be the equivalent of a 3.7 device with a 3ohm carto. Are you using a voltmeter to test to see if the voltage is right? I was sorta interested up until this point.
And there's a guy who keeps begging for someone to tell him how to adjust his voltage.. how hard can it be? Is it like... stuck at 5v? I'm really really not trying to dis something but these are valid concerns that would affect the end user here. What I'm saying .. if I want to set my device at 3v with a 3ohm carto.. I want it to feel like I'm vaping a 3ohm carto at 3v.. not that I'd want to vape at 4 and a half watts but there are some that do. 3v should not feel like 5.5v and if it does..how can that be a good thing?
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I was also wondering how 3v feeling like 5.5v is a good thing? Also, the vmax works just like the provari as far as changing voltages, atty resistance, battery check, etc. Looking at the vmax manual, it's pretty much straight copypasta from the provari manual. Just like the unit's design.
Look you have your opinion about what is right and what is wrong about PV's and I and everyone else has theirs! We ALL have our PREFERENCES in PV's PERIOD!
Thanks Photoplay!! You rock!
This thing is a monster of power!
Instructions are a good thing.
This thing is a monster of power!
Instructions are a good thing.
Yeah, that's right. Then, when you push your favorite high tech APV on a total noob whose head is swimming and can't figure out what a carto is, or what atty means, or what a tank is, and titles their post "Too much info", and is pretty much set on a volt because they're suffering from information overload, then don't be all butthurt if someone implies that you're acting like a fanboy. Because I can almost guarantee you that that person gave up, went away, and is more than likely smoking a cigarette and asking themselves what in the hell did they almost get themselves into.
You see, when newbs ask what they should get, what would be the best choice for them, they aren't asking what is YOUR favorite PV. That's the question a fanboy hears, but that's not what they are asking.
BTW, I love the Vmax. I'm looking forward to getting one. I've got absolutely nothing, so far, against it. So it's got nothing to do with MY preferences, because nobody asked me what MY preferences were. A newb is not interested in MY preferences, or yours or Johns. They want to know what THEY should buy, not what is right for us.
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There is one fact that is crystal-clear to me, and that is that I would like you to climb out of my face, or I will report you for harassment. Everything you just said here, you said in the TMI thread, and was addressed by me at length.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info.html
And I encourage everyone to read that thread very carefully, and pay particular attention to someone who much more closely approximates the definition of a "fanboy", and who keeps pushing the e-Power 14650, and all the while slamming me for recommending a VV like the VMax, because among other things, he feels that my advice is not adequately sensitive to the OP's interest in a VOLT, and that I should pay more attention to what the OP, who doesn't know squat to begin with, thinks he wants.
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this picture? Is there such a thing as making hemisense?
To put it another way:
"When someone can copy and paste the very same recommendation to everyone and anyone (like an e-Power 14650, when they're asking about a Volt), with no regard to any individual wants, needs, experience or circumstances (like when OP is asking about a Volt); when someone can paste in the same recommendation without reading past the first line that asks, "what do I get?".... (I'm interested in a Volt) I dunno what that is, but it begins to tread the line close to fanboyism".
If you say so.
However: please bear in mind that the OP just happening to ask about a Volt doesn't preclude anyone from offering another suggestion, and I don't fault you for doing so. I do object to you doing it, yet criticising me for doing the exact same thing. e-Power not = Volt, by any stretch of the imagination.
Again Sailorman, please back off.
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I've decided that I do not like you. That could of course change, if you do. But at this point, I am right on the verge of reporting your behavior.
As for "when you push your favorite high tech APV on a total noob whose head is swimming and can't figure out what a carto is, or what atty means, or what a tank is, and titles their post "Too much info", and is pretty much set on a volt because they're suffering from information overload ..." - maybe you missed this post of mine in that thread:
In reply to "Digger", who said:
"John D,
I am a newb, only a few weeks in. I am in no way doubting your knowledge of vaping or the experience you have, but I can honestly say, as a newb, all the information you have posted for this thread has my head spinning. It is great that someone has this information and is willing to share it, I just feel it is a little too much too fast. I myself am vaping from the Volt and I love it. As long as I have my pcc with me I am good for the entire day. It is easy to use, buy juice and cartos and screw them together, two pieces, done. And you get to vape right out of the box for like $50. It being so small, I have already converted two people because I was able to pull it out of my shirt pocket and let them try it. I think that alone made it a very special purchase. I am merely stating my opinion, based on being in almost an identical situation just a few weeks ago. I know what he/she is going through, as do many others I'm sure. I too got overloaded with info, parts, measurements, batteries, th, etc. Honestly, I just about said SCREW IT and stayed with analogs. It all just seemed more of a hassle than it was worth. When I smoked I picked up a cig and a lighter and went to town. Now I pick up a battery and carto and go to town. I don't need to make sure the mah, volts, watts and all that stuff match or if I have the proper atty or a clean one in to get my fix. I'm sure once its all set up it is fun to vape, but the OP asked about the Volt, which like me, it's probably the style they have been paying the most attention to and have the most interest in, a cig size from a reputable company that has everything in a nice tidy package and ready to go when opened and that works well. I believe that is what they will get with the Volt. I do plan to get something bigger for at home, down the road, but I will never regret starting the way I did and will continue to carry my Volt to work and school. Peace".
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Digger, I appreciate the thoughtful and extremely civil post.
Yes, this can be an overwhelming subject, so I'd like to re-state the exact same advice in a simpler form.
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All PV's work essentially the same way. A battery sends current to a coil or coils, which in turn warm and vaporize the juice to create vapor. The coils get warm because of an electrical term known as "resistance"; in other words, how hard does the coil "resist" the flow of electricity through them, causing electrons to bump into other electrons, creating friction and thereby heat, very much like the way a microwave oven heats things up. All a microwave does it get the atoms in water molecules to move faster, bump into each other, and create heat through simple friction, like the way you can get your arm warm by rubbing it with your hand.
The coils are contained either in a stand-alone atomizer (often used for "dripping", wherein the user "drips" juice right onto them and then vapes through a mouthpiece/drip tip), a "cartomizer" (combination atomizer and cartridge, where the juice is held in a polyfill that is in close proximity to the coils of the atomizer, which gives a better vape than a separate atomizer and cartridge, because the juice is delivered to the coils better; and the coil (singular) can also be found at the top of some specialized tanks that use wicks alone, and no polyfill, to feed the juice directly to a coil at the top of the tank.
I think it's safe to say that most people use cartomizers in one way or another. One very common use of a cartomizer is inside a tank, typically between 3.5 to 6ml in size, with the cartomizer running longitudinally through the middle of the tank, with o-rings sealing the juice inside the tank. A hole, holes, or a slot is either pre-made or added by the user to allow the juice to enter the cartomizer at an optimal rate. The idea, with or without a surrounding tank, is to keep the polyfill moist, but not so soggy that juice leaks out of it. Think of it they way you would with the soil of a houseplant; certainly never dry (polyfill will get scorched when too dry), and not too wet; just constantly moist. If a cartomizer is used without a tank, it must be constantly added to, maybe every ten hits or so, to keep it moist. A cartomizer inside a tank does not need to be tended to at all, until it becomes clogged after a few hundred, or maybe even a thousand hits, at which time the easiest thing to do is put another one in. Many people do clean them with good success.
One huge key to a good vape is to have the coils at just the right temperature to provide good vapor and release all of the flavor of the juice, and that obviously means delivering just the right amount of voltage from the battery to do that. I think it's pretty accurate to say that for most people and most juices, the "ideal" amount of heat/current that needs to be delivered to each coil is between 6 to 8 watts. Some like it higher, some like it lower, and it can even depend on your mood. Some day you might like your bagel on the light side, and some days you might feel like having it a little more dark and crunchy.
This is exactly where variable voltage comes in.
This is the only formula I will trouble anyone with, but it's a very important one, and is really pretty easy:
The number of watts per coil is equal to the volts going to it squared, divided by the resistance, measured in ohms, of the coil or coils in the atomizer. The formula then is "Volts x volts / resistance = watts" This is Ohm's Law.
From this formula, it can be seen that with a fixed voltage PV, it is only possible to vary the wattage by using different resistance coils/atomizers. Achieving the "exact right" wattage is difficult, but certainly not impossible. But then again, the "exact right" wattage will vary by flavor of juice, and as I previously noted, perhaps even by your present mood.
With a variable voltage PV, you can dial in any amount of watts per coil you want to, regardless of the resistance of the coil or coils, limited only by the amp capacity of the device. (OK, I have misinformed you; one last formula is in order);
Amps; consider a household lightbulb that is 110 watts, running on 110 volt household current. Amps are equal to watts divided by volts, so that would be 1 amp. A fifteen amp circuit, protected by a 15 amp circuit breaker, could run fifteen such light bulbs.
Ok, so consider a variable voltage PV that can handle 3.5 amps, like the ProVari V2. Its "circuit breaker" will trip at anything over that. Let's say it's set at 5 volts, and is powering an single coil atomizer/cartomizer that has a resistance of 1.5 ohms.
V x V / resistance = watts. 5 x 5 / 1.5 = 16.66 watts.
At 5 volts, that is 3.33 amps (Amps = watts divided by volts; 16.66 / 5 = 3.33). Just under the limit of the circuit; great.
So there it is; the reason, as best I can explain it, that variable voltage is the only way to achieve the best-tasting, most productive vape you can get on a wide variety of "attachments" (atomizers, cartomizers, clearomizers, Mega Dual Coil Cartomizers, Giantomizers, CE2 tanks, Stardust/eGo vision tanks, or whatever else). Remember that you can use almost any type of attachment on any battery/PV/power unit that uses the same type of thread pattern, with the "510" thread pattern being by far the most common one. Smaller, ciggie-like devices usuallu use the "808" thread pattern, although adapters can be had. That said, the very small battery of a device like the Volt will not be able to power most of them.
You can get a very good vape on constant voltage devices, but you will be limited to lower resistance atomizers, especially at the 3.4 to 3.7 volts that most constant voltage devices put out. And dual coil attachments will be almost unusable, since a 1.5 ohm dual coil atomizer/cartomizer, for example, will require that "optimal" 6 to 8 watts for each of the two coils, bringing the wattage required for the entire device to more like 12 to 16.
At 3.7 volts, a dual coil 1.5 ohm atty/carto will get 3.7 x 3.7 / 1.5 = 9.12 watts, but only half of that - 4.56 watts - per coil. That is simply not, IMO, enough wattage per coil for an optimal vape. I just did it, so I am convinced for myself that it's too low; minimal vapor production, and the flavor is lacking. (Not enough electrical action going on to convince enough flavor molecules to release their bond to a water or juice molecule and get released into the vapor so that it can serendipitously bounce off of a particular taste bud belonging to yours truly). I would respectfully suggest that those who say it's "just fine" simply don't realize how much finer it would be at a higher wattage per coil, and that is not an offense punishable by death. None of us know what something is like until we experience it for ourselves.
With VV, you can adjust the wattage to wherever you want, simply by selecting the voltage you want using a button or buttons and an LED readout on the device. I just vaped my Backwoods Brew "Virginia" (tobacco) blend at 4.5 volts (on the same 1.5 ohm dual coil carto inside a Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank), and that gave me 4.5 x 4.5 / 1.5 = 13.5 total watts, 6.75 watts per coil. Much better vapor production, better flavor. I just tried it again at 5.5 volts = 20 watts total, 10 watts per coil, and that's a bit much I think, although I might grow to like it. At any rate, I have the ability to adjust the voltage/wattage to find just the right amount of coil temperature to arrive at just the right vape I want regardless of the flavor of the juice, the kind of throat hit I want, what attachment I happen to be using, or as I say, the mood I'm in.
And so can anyone reading this.
Again, my recommendation for those who don't care what size your PV is, or whether or not it looks much like a stinkie:
Smoktech VMax, $128.95, free shipping
Four IMR 18650 batteries $30
Trustfire TR-001 charger $10.99
Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank $11.99
Boge 3.0 XL single coil cartomizer $1.80 (Five for $8.95)
Smoktech VMax:
All About Vapor
Batteries and charger:
AW IMR 18350 700mAh LiMN Rechargeable Lithium Battery
Smoktech DCT 3.5ml chrome tank (on sale):
Dual Coil Cartomizer Tank or:
3.5ml Dual Coil Tank Chrome/Black
Boge XL 3.0 ohm stainless steel cartomizers:
XL Boge 510 Cartomizers 3.0 ohm
Again, if anyone buys any of this on my recommendation and does not like its performance, I will buy it from you for what you paid for it. Shipping will be on you, and I can pay you with PayPal before you ship it. Such a deal.
Vape on.
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Does that post give you any indication that I might just be here to try to help people by giving them as much useful information as I possibly can, for the sole purpose of letting them experience the best vape that they can, for the least amount of total expenditure, which might just involve putting their limited resources into something that I know will work very, very well for them?
Does that post also give you an idea that I might feel a little underappreciated and maligned right about now? That was not a cut-and-paste; that was off the top of my head, and probably took about an hour. (Will I cut and paste it in the future? You better believe it). lol
Look, I'm very selective about who I give information directly to. You will not find another thread in which I have recommended the VMax to a beginner, although I probably will, and more often. I posted that because based on what I know now, if I had started with those exact five items for $185, I would have been thrilled with my vaping experience, exactly and obviously just as I am now.
You keep using the term "....-hurt". Is it you who is actually ....-hurt, because your e-Power is outshone by superior devices? Is your continued use of the term "fanboy" toward me a "psychological switcheroo"? Something to think about as you please leave me alone.
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Wth did anyone read that whole thing? But seriously if you need to make such lengthy posts can you at least shorten the previous post you are quoting, we get the idea. I'm not trying to fuel the fire, there is obviously a lot of good info in there. Jmo
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Of course, anyone is free to read it, or not read it. I chose to post the whole thing to adequately convey the point I was trying to make in this thread; namely, that I took very much to heart the OP's confusion, and the request from "Digger" for a demystifying of the entire subject, which I like to think it might have somewhat accomplished. If you read it, I'd hope that you'd feel the same.
Taking into account that I own over 50 mods, I would put this up against any of them. My favorite vape is a 1.5ohm dual coil cartomizer at 6V. Only a couple of my variable voltage box mods can do this without tripping out. The VMax never hiccupped. The display is very bright and easy to read. #5 setting was a little confusing at first but I kept referring to the printout that I was sent with the mod. Once I got it down packed, it's easy to navigate through. I got it at 1pm, my neighbor swiped it for the evening at 9:30pm, and it was still on the same set of batteries. I don't know if she changed them out yet but I wanted her to mark the time. She doesn't vape as heavily as I but it will still get put to use. I would like to see a better finish on it...maybe a clear coat on the black. But other than that, a very impressive mod.
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Free to read it or not but if you are on your phone it takes an eternity to scroll thru that. Whatever, its not enough to even complain about and I just kinda jumped in only reading bits and pieces. Nevermind.
There is an attitude in here that needs to stop please. Members do not want to read the bickering between other members.
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Thank You Ms. Class! WE ALL have ONE thing in COMMON here in the ECF and that is the SATISFACTION and ENJOYMENT of VAPING and staying away from those HORRID ANALOGS! NOT ONE PV DEVICE is better than the other PERIOD! ENOUGH SAID...
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