Since my main attraction to smoke is smell and taste, I'm interested in trying some nonelectronic alternatives to see how I like them. I'm not using these as smoking sesations but rather as viable alternatives for when I can't smoke or when I'm just not in the mood. I've tried the Smoker's Option (nice but weak) and the Endit Smokeless Inhalers (absolutely horrible) so I'm hoping to find something like the first but with a stronger and richer flavour. I'm interested in Ciganot (called Krafe Away in some places), Cigastop, EzQuit, Light Free, Nirdosh, and Quit for Sure. Has anyone tried these and if so, what were they like? Any other smoke-free suggestions would be warmly welcomed. Thanks.
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I'm not familiar with any of those.
Let me ask you something.
If you are willing to experiment with all these different types of
things, why not try a high voltage personal vaporizer like the prodigy,
gg, silver bullet, etc. along with a tobacco juice.
I'm sure you have your reasons, I'm just curious if you would /
if you have tried these devices, and the juices.
Seems an appropriate question for me to ask at a forum dedicated to
discussing these sorts of devices.
Sorry if I seem somehow inappropriate.
Let me ask you something.
If you are willing to experiment with all these different types of
things, why not try a high voltage personal vaporizer like the prodigy,
gg, silver bullet, etc. along with a tobacco juice.
I'm sure you have your reasons, I'm just curious if you would /
if you have tried these devices, and the juices.
Seems an appropriate question for me to ask at a forum dedicated to
discussing these sorts of devices.
Sorry if I seem somehow inappropriate.
No, you're not inappropriate at all. I don't deal with juices because I'm totally blind and would ruin the ecig if I tried to pour the liquid into it, not being able to tell where it's going and how much is being used. I usually prefer the two-part models for this reason. There's less of a mess. I've never heard of the models you mentioned. Do they come with carts like regular ecigs and how do they taste?
I use a higher voltage personal vaporizer called a Prodigy from Puresmoker.com.
I had been a smoker of over twenty years I guess and when I quit five years ago I missed the smoking.
My friend Joe Sledgehammer told me about e-cigarettes. I watched a youtube video and I
laughed my ... off. Less than a month later I owned the high voltage personal vaporizer
known as Prodigy.
The thing I was looking for was vapor - being a visual person - and throat kick. That is
the nice tingle i get on my throat when I smoke. For five years I missed that. I have it
again vaping with zero nicotine juices I make myself with a dash of menthol.
Most people here will tell you that you will find much pleasure in the flavors of electronic
smoking. It's rather a fetish...
"Oh Crystal Vapor's Pumpkin Muffin is delightful with Yes Another Vendor's Cappuccino
mix... " etc.
I stick with a Blueberry menthol mix I make myself. Maybe a tobacco flavor mixed in for variety.
So flavor, and the consequential taste of the vapor, is there.
Now I'm curious. How can you navigate the forum if you are blind?
Here is a link to investigate:
New Members' Forum - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
Hope that helps.
Oh. Almost forgot. The Higher Voltage vaporizers usually use the drip
method. But with the proper atomizers (i.e. short bridge versus long bridge - I think I have that terminology correct -- I'm rather new at
this) may use a cart, and therefore keep your fluids at appropriate levels.
I had been a smoker of over twenty years I guess and when I quit five years ago I missed the smoking.
My friend Joe Sledgehammer told me about e-cigarettes. I watched a youtube video and I
laughed my ... off. Less than a month later I owned the high voltage personal vaporizer
known as Prodigy.
The thing I was looking for was vapor - being a visual person - and throat kick. That is
the nice tingle i get on my throat when I smoke. For five years I missed that. I have it
again vaping with zero nicotine juices I make myself with a dash of menthol.
Most people here will tell you that you will find much pleasure in the flavors of electronic
smoking. It's rather a fetish...
"Oh Crystal Vapor's Pumpkin Muffin is delightful with Yes Another Vendor's Cappuccino
mix... " etc.
I stick with a Blueberry menthol mix I make myself. Maybe a tobacco flavor mixed in for variety.
So flavor, and the consequential taste of the vapor, is there.
Now I'm curious. How can you navigate the forum if you are blind?
Here is a link to investigate:
New Members' Forum - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
Hope that helps.
Oh. Almost forgot. The Higher Voltage vaporizers usually use the drip
method. But with the proper atomizers (i.e. short bridge versus long bridge - I think I have that terminology correct -- I'm rather new at
this) may use a cart, and therefore keep your fluids at appropriate levels.
Magkisa: There is only one e-cigarette that would suit a blind person -- the Ruyan Jazz. It is a single-unit, disposable product with medium strength nicotine in it. Costs about $25 each and lasts a week under normal use. My local tobacco shop stocks them, and them only. He's sold a bunch to people coming off tobacco cigs.
These are perfect for you. Reach in a pocket and use. When the vapor ceases, throw it away and open another.
PS: I've advocated these for elderly smokers in nursing homes, etc. No fire hazard. Addiction satisfaction. No need to go outside. No bother for others. THESE are the approved e-cigs of tomorrow, after we bump past today.
These are perfect for you. Reach in a pocket and use. When the vapor ceases, throw it away and open another.
PS: I've advocated these for elderly smokers in nursing homes, etc. No fire hazard. Addiction satisfaction. No need to go outside. No bother for others. THESE are the approved e-cigs of tomorrow, after we bump past today.
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Hmm, sounds interesting. I'll definitely have to investigate it for when I've got the cash, assuming that trick can be done for cart use. I use screenreading software that speaks to me. In this case, I'm using Leopard on my Macbook. It's actually built into every Mac today and is wonderful. I've also got readers for Windows, DOS and Apple IIGS. As for this site, it's a total nightmare to navigate.
I tried the Ezquit. It's a plastic tube with adjustable airflow. You drop in a damp paper cylinder that has been soaked in a mint flavoring.
The mint doesn't seem anywhere near strong enough for me. I would prefer something of a shocking menthol hit, but these don't do that. There is some small satisfaction if I take a long (30 second) lung hit, but all in all, I consider it too weak to be of any real use to me.
The nicorette inhaler (I internet ordered mine from New Zealand) gives copious quantities of nicotine (I got the 10mg box) but again, very very thin throat hit. A long hard draw provides a welcome peppery sensation, but doing that loads me up on nicotine real fast, so I have to put it down...No one seems to understand that the sensation of taking a hit is more critical than any other aspect to a long term smoker.
All in all, the inhaler is more effective for fighting cravings. The Ezquit would be 'okay' if the flavor stick was at least ten times more pungent.
Good luck!
The mint doesn't seem anywhere near strong enough for me. I would prefer something of a shocking menthol hit, but these don't do that. There is some small satisfaction if I take a long (30 second) lung hit, but all in all, I consider it too weak to be of any real use to me.
The nicorette inhaler (I internet ordered mine from New Zealand) gives copious quantities of nicotine (I got the 10mg box) but again, very very thin throat hit. A long hard draw provides a welcome peppery sensation, but doing that loads me up on nicotine real fast, so I have to put it down...No one seems to understand that the sensation of taking a hit is more critical than any other aspect to a long term smoker.
All in all, the inhaler is more effective for fighting cravings. The Ezquit would be 'okay' if the flavor stick was at least ten times more pungent.
Good luck!
You might be able to help me in my Looking Into Disposables post in the newby forum. I actually listed a few different kinds and am looking for ideas. I usually smoke about two cigarettes a day and 16 mg of nicotine is way to high for me to consider. In ecigs, I go with 0, 6 (for a better kick), 8 or 11 mg. My fear is overdose, since I have no way to measure the stuff. I might try the Ruyan Jazz Free Style if I go that route. I love the two-part systems for the nondisposables. Btw, good for you for advocating these for the elderly. I bet you're saving alot of lives that way which otherwise might be compromised due to accidental fires etc.
I don't think I'd ever use that inhaler, since the nicotine isn't what I'm seeking, and when I do choose to have it, I prefer it in very low amounts. But since taste is my main objective, thanks for the warning. Something that's week like the Smoker's Option cigarettes just wouldn't do it for me. I remember, when I was very young, someone left a plastic cigarette lying around and I tried it. It was kind of like a mint flavour from what I remember and the taste seemed to be nice and strong. But then again, I was a child and not a smoker then. I to remember that it was round like a regular cigarette, not flat, and there didn't appear to be any way to put any paper into it, so I'm guessing it wasn't EZQuit.
I think I may have found something alot more to your tastes if you ever wanna go the nonecig way again. It's called Cigamint and it comes in several varieties. The difference here is that you actually use a bit of essential oil from a bottle to flavour it, just as you'd do with ejuice, so it's always fresh. I might try this cause even if I spill it, there's no nicotine to worry about and I can't ruin an atomizer, just a piece of plastic. Also, they sell empty ones so I can research the safety of various essential oils and try something instead of mint. Still looking into the Ciganot though, since I found that Cigastop contains caffeine. That surprised me given that it comes from Honeyrose, which is known for their natural products. I used to smoke their herbal cigs before switching to tobacco. Would the caffeine effect the body or no?
I take back what I said about Smoker's Option. I just reopened my Menthol pack after not touching it for awhile (it was full) and the taste was very clear and strong. It wasn't as strong as an ecig but you could definitely taste it. Then again, I'm not a menthol smoker so. I think what happened with my cinnamon is that I'd opened it and used alot of them so when I closed it again, there was room for air to get in and the cigs went flat. I still think they're a bit less strong when fresh but it's worth noting incase anyone wanted to try these.
While I was looking at the cigamint page, it occurred to me that I should try modding my Ezquit before buying anything else.
I have several bottles of different essential oils that I can try dripping onto the EZquit's paper insert. If I can get enough oils in there, it might give the device a decent throat hit.
I'll post my findings later this evening.
I have several bottles of different essential oils that I can try dripping onto the EZquit's paper insert. If I can get enough oils in there, it might give the device a decent throat hit.
I'll post my findings later this evening.
Hey, that sounds really neat! I could probably moisten a cotton swab with an oil, rub it on the paper and do it that way so I don't have to worry about drops. Does it use a special paper or can it be substituted if necessary? I'm assuming that since you have all these oils, you know what's edible/safe and what's not but in good conscience, I must tell you to be careful. That's actually something I need to look up. I wonder if a small dropper or the cotton trick would work in the Cigamints? I doubt any mint could ever be as strong as the amazing pouches from mintsnuff.com. They're great on their own or in coffee.
Alrighty, well closer examination revealed that the insert for the Ezquit is actually a short piece of straw with a spongy material in it. That's not a very efficient setup, as there isn't a lot of surface area, but I can see the flavor lasting a long time.
Just a couple drops of peppermint essential oil and the sponge was leaking out the bottom. The flavor was pretty much the same thing, so that's likely the main ingredient in the mint Ezquit.
After some puffing that didn't offer much throat hit (but did freshen my breath) I went for the cassia oil. Not being a big fan of cinnamon, I went ahead and just dropped two drops of cassia oil onto the peppermint sponge. It actually made a pretty decent cinnamint taste, though still not what I was hoping for.
Next flavor up was the dreaded clove bud oil. Clove bud is like a dirty mint. I would say minty dusty old attic flavor. With that in on top of the cinnamint and me puffing away like crazy, my mouth and nostrils were totally iced. I still had to take some pretty long hits to get any appreciable sensation of a hit, so it's not what I was hoping for but not terrible considering the lack of technology involved. I tried an orange and a grapefruit oil, but they were both more like the flavor of citrus peelings, which wasn't all that great.
After ten minutes or so, I was getting excess oil spattering out onto my tongue. With essential oils, that's considered a bad thing to do, cuz it's too concentrated. It actually numbed my tongue and had me rinsing for a few minutes.
It may be that the shortage of internal surface area holds the Ezquit back a bit. On the plus side, I don't think I'll ever have to buy refills for it, because the liquid is almost certainly peppermint or cassia essential oils.
The other useful info I gleaned was that with this type of simple device, there is no point to drawing with just your mouth. If you just do straight up lung draws, the mint hitting the back of your throat will give the sensation of a hit after a few seconds.
I might try to find a better means of holding the juice in the tube, the best result would come from more juice getting more air passing over it.
Sorry so long, but I wanted to give a basic rundown of the essential oil experience.
Just a couple drops of peppermint essential oil and the sponge was leaking out the bottom. The flavor was pretty much the same thing, so that's likely the main ingredient in the mint Ezquit.
After some puffing that didn't offer much throat hit (but did freshen my breath) I went for the cassia oil. Not being a big fan of cinnamon, I went ahead and just dropped two drops of cassia oil onto the peppermint sponge. It actually made a pretty decent cinnamint taste, though still not what I was hoping for.
Next flavor up was the dreaded clove bud oil. Clove bud is like a dirty mint. I would say minty dusty old attic flavor. With that in on top of the cinnamint and me puffing away like crazy, my mouth and nostrils were totally iced. I still had to take some pretty long hits to get any appreciable sensation of a hit, so it's not what I was hoping for but not terrible considering the lack of technology involved. I tried an orange and a grapefruit oil, but they were both more like the flavor of citrus peelings, which wasn't all that great.
After ten minutes or so, I was getting excess oil spattering out onto my tongue. With essential oils, that's considered a bad thing to do, cuz it's too concentrated. It actually numbed my tongue and had me rinsing for a few minutes.
It may be that the shortage of internal surface area holds the Ezquit back a bit. On the plus side, I don't think I'll ever have to buy refills for it, because the liquid is almost certainly peppermint or cassia essential oils.
The other useful info I gleaned was that with this type of simple device, there is no point to drawing with just your mouth. If you just do straight up lung draws, the mint hitting the back of your throat will give the sensation of a hit after a few seconds.
I might try to find a better means of holding the juice in the tube, the best result would come from more juice getting more air passing over it.
Sorry so long, but I wanted to give a basic rundown of the essential oil experience.
There seems to be several designs on the market, and the ones I've seen appear to be very basic. Always just a tube with some sort of 801 penstyle flattened mouthpiece. Inside the tube is either a sponge or some sort of crumpled up paper.
With some work on the liquid, something this simple could conceivably be useful. (I'm kind of thinking of something to ween me off of ecigs in the future
)Thanks so much for posting this and definitely don't worry about it being long. This kind of review is exactly what I'm seeking and your descriptions were excellent. So it seems that I'd need to be very careful when doing this. Also, I've heard it's not really good to injest too much mint or menthol, so I usually don't play with those. Might be worth a try, though, if I can find something to use that doesn't have oil on it and if I can get sighted assistance.
The only one I've tried so far was the EndIt Inhalers and those were terrible. they are flat, as you described, which also took some of the fun away for me. I'm seriously thinking of the Ciganot (also called Krafe Away). I did alot of searching and finally found some user descriptions. Some say it's horrible but one person said it had a sweet bbq taste to it. I certainly don't expect the level of taste or quality you get with an ecig but it should prove interesting. Hope that one's not flat and not like the Endit.
There seems to be several designs on the market, and the ones I've seen appear to be very basic. Always just a tube with some sort of 801 penstyle flattened mouthpiece. Inside the tube is either a sponge or some sort of crumpled up paper.
With some work on the liquid, something this simple could conceivably be useful. (I'm kind of thinking of something to ween me off of ecigs in the future
I forgot to add that the Nirdosh don't appear to be smokeless, so they're out of the picture for those seeking a smokeless cig. I'm a big believer in naturopathy (science-based natural medicine) but these guys make alot of claims that make me a big suspicious. Still, they're cheap if someone wants an herbal smoke. As for the Cigastop, as I said, it contains caffeine. I'm not sure if it's an active ingredient or if it just comes from having a coffee flavouring. It's made by Honeyrose, a brand that's been making regular herbal cigarettes for a few decades, so they're in good standing. I can also vouge for their high quality, having smoked them. So if caffeine isn't an issue, you could check out their smokeless option.
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